Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I prefer models with tattoos - and non-natural hair color is good too.
Mar 24 13 06:44 am Link
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
I think you've seen too many of the rant threads (which I admit make for more entertaining reading) and not enough of the serious threads. I see that you have only a relatively small number of posts given how long you've been a member, so perhaps at least a part of the answer is to be more active in the threads yourself. I've found that, for me at least, being more active leads to getting more out of them. It's kind like a bank account -- the more you put in, the more you get out.
As to your observations, please allow me some responses:
No tattoos, no weird hair color,
--That depends on the nature of the shoot, as in all other physical or personal choices the model makes. If the concept calls for tattoos or wierd hair color, the person with them is golden and the person without is pretty well useless. If the concept calls for a very busty swimsuit type, the girl with the big boobs is in but if the concept calls for youthful innocence, the girl with the A-cups wins. You win some, you lose some but you win more if you go after the jobs that you fit.
--By all means have a boyfriend, or for that matter have a girlfriend or neither. Whatever is your preference. Just don't bring them to work with you. You wouldn't bring your pastor or your psychiatrist or your gynocologist along to a shoot would you? Of course not. It's good to have them but not good to have them coming along to the shoot with you. They have no business being there, would add nothing to the shoot, and might well ruin the shoot. The same is true for your boyfriend.
if you have a manager then you're a fake and that manager is just your pimp/boyfriend
--Unfortunately, this is quite true--sometimes. But the reality is that unless you're a genuine top model or entertainer you have no need of a manager. A manager is someone you hire to keep your modeling business running much like you hire a mechanic to keep your car running. If you don't have a car, or if you are able to make the simple adjustments necessary to keep it going, you don't need a mechanic. Same for managers. Most models that say they have managers really mean that they are afraid to grow up and take command of their own lives. They think that the "manager" obviates the need to to do so.
You have an agency? Then why are you even on MM?
--It's a valid question. Some of the reasons I've heard have been, "I'm non-exclusive." "My agent only does fashion (or commercial or whatever)" "I like to keep up with old friends." "It's a good place to try out things that aren't in my usual bag of tricks.", etc. So, why are you on MM?
Pretty much it seems if you're a model you only show up when they say, shut the hell up, and be a good little girl.
--That's pretty much what the job is, but if you can do all that and also be helpful, charming, fun, intelligent and a team player, you'll get a lot more shoots. The thing to remember is that there can only be one boss on a job, whether it's shooting a fashion spread or digging a ditch, and on a photoshoot that boss is the photographer. As long as you can keep that fact clear in your own mind, you will usually be given many opportunities to be helpful, charming, fun, etc. as well.
Hope that helps.
Mar 24 13 06:45 am Link
Stepping out of this thread now. I've gotten my answers and I'm sure more will come in time. Thanks for you cooperation, photographers.
Mar 24 13 06:59 am Link
Beckley, West Virginia, US
You're probably right about some people on here being guilty of misogyny and I've seen a few myself, but I don't really like to point that stuff out too often. At the end if the day, no two photographers are the same. Personally, I see art and photography as a fun creative process that doesn't need to be bogged down by too many formalities. It should be fun for the photographer and model, but I guess it just doesn't always work out that way. That's why experienced models have their "go to" photographers that they go back to if they want a reliable and comfortable shoot. It's also a big mistake to think you are a hot shot photographer and the models are mere employees. Without a subject to shoot, you don't have jack unless you just want to take pictures of yourself all day.
Mar 24 13 07:03 am Link
Saint Austell, England, United Kingdom
Erlinda is catergorically correct. But I will add.
Mar 24 13 07:18 am Link
Muncie, Indiana, US
Ignore the rants. Forums show the good, the bad, and the ugly. The internet is a lot like the real world. You have immature, petty people who crave drama and just want to stir things up.
Mar 24 13 08:42 am Link
Starting to notice
Mar 24 13 09:43 am Link
San Antonio, Texas, US
Danielle Kitten wrote:
Welcome to MM.
Mar 24 13 09:58 am Link
Tampa, Florida, US
The only thing you've proven is that you're willing to put up with much more from an attractive female than you would from an employee or vendor at a corporate job.
Mar 24 13 10:14 am Link
Salem, Oregon, US
for my part i prefer a model who will be an active participant in the shoot. it's in our mutual best interest for the shots to turn out well. i shoot live into a TV to help facilitate collaboration.
i allow on-set escorts so that's a non-issue for me.
as long as i know about the tattoos and weird hair color in advance then it's my choice to work with that person. generally for nudes i prefer natural but that's the exception around here so i just go with the flow.
Mar 24 13 10:24 am Link
Hot Springs, Arkansas, US
Do not get worried over things so much. I personally have no issues or concerns about boyfriends and such with models. Matter of fact when we discussed our shoot I asked if you wanted my wife to be present since the shoot was to be in a roman bed setting we have at home instead of in studio.
Seldom will everyone agree and people have their own temperments, likes, dislikes and methods.
I model for three different art class groups. One instructor runs two of them and is very strict on the models, but fair, and being on the other end I know some frustrations with poses etc so I tolerate it with a smile and a yes maam... the other class is more laid back and really model friendly.
You just be careful and select the deal that is best for you and do not take everything you read on public forum to heart dear...
Loads of luck
Mar 24 13 07:45 pm Link
Miami, Florida, US
Baked goods. Homemade. I'll be very happy.
Mar 24 13 07:48 pm Link
Moonlight Studio wrote:
Mar 24 13 09:47 pm Link
Dark Shadows wrote:
I cook and bake. Homemade is always the best
Mar 24 13 09:48 pm Link
Palm Beach, Florida, US
Mar 24 13 10:17 pm Link
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
And there is not a bunch of misandry from a lot of the models who stalk the forums. Ohhh, he is going to rape me. molest, kill me, eat me(well maybe in a fun way). Men are there to provide me with everything I want, because I am pretty.
Mar 24 13 11:08 pm Link
Herkimer, New York, US
Things A llama Can Do To Make Me Happy
1.) Show up.
2.) Arrive on time, ready to work. (within reason)
3.) If for some reason you can't make it CALL ME as soon as you know, and be prepared to set up a date to reschedule.
Mar 27 13 08:22 am Link
San Francisco, California, US
Danielle Kitten wrote:
Model Mayhem is not "the industry" it's
Mar 27 13 08:28 am Link
Atlanta, Georgia, US
No photographer should care about a boyfriend. Managers however are not part of the industry especially boyfriend managers.
There are very few people on MM actually involved in the real industry and you need to take others advice with a grain of salt. In the past I would very much say that models were treated a bit like 2nd class citizens; don't talk, do you job and leave. Its far less of that today, but a model should not be surprised if some long time and well know photographers still expect this. There are a few famous photographers who still are that old school.
That being said, this is MM and Internet modeling; it has its own expectations totally unrelated to the professional modeling industry.
Mar 27 13 08:32 am Link
Wilmington, Delaware, US
Danielle Kitten wrote:
Look again. That is a bit of a generalization.
Mar 27 13 10:21 am Link
Cincinnati, Ohio, US
There is only one question that I need answered. Is whatever is going on in your life going to affect the shoot? If the answer is "Yes" because of a boyfriend, escort, manager, kids, rain, sleet, snow or whatever, then I really don't want to waste my time trying to organize a shoot with the model.
Mar 27 13 10:54 am Link
London, England, United Kingdom
For want of better descriptions, Mainstream Industry and Internet Modelling, personally I treat as two separate industries. I think half the problems on MM could be resolved if they stopped treating MM as if it was Mainstream modelling, it's not.
Mar 28 13 12:56 am Link
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Danielle Kitten wrote:
Well omp did have a thing called Shut Up and Model. So you may be on to something.
Mar 28 13 02:04 am Link
San Antonio, Texas, US
Mar 28 13 02:42 am Link
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Good Egg Productions wrote:
I've never had a problem with models having boyfriends present as escorts for photo-shoots.
Mar 29 13 03:54 pm Link
Well no one has to worry about me bringing my boyfriend. He has the attention span of a 2 year old hyped up on sugar.
Mar 29 13 04:05 pm Link
Castaner, Puerto Rico, US
Some photographers are Wankers.
Mar 29 13 06:13 pm Link
Cirencester, England, United Kingdom
If models didn't have boyfriends then all of us middle-aged overweight, balding photographers would be getting hit on at every shoot!
Thank God for boyfriends, I say
Mar 29 13 06:17 pm Link
Los Angeles, California, US
Sounds like you're just talking about a particular bunch of photographers, I have never come across these problems haha. I am a photographer, I have a lot of photography friends and industry connections and I have yet to stumble upon these issues.
Mar 29 13 09:47 pm Link