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Axioma

Posts: 6793

Gent, East Flanders, Belgium

Jorge Kreimer wrote:

*Clears throat*

All arts, be it painting, sculpture, music, film, etc. are about engaging the recipient, be it a viewer or listener. Let's call the recipient a viewer for now, since we are dealing with photography. What I mean by engagement is that the viewer will see him or herself reflected in the work of art in some way. All good art is but a mirror, as well as a stone in the shoe: the viewer is not left indifferent. Something must be communicated, and that something must be truthful.

Now, in photography you are dealing with a capture of a subject or an object. The subject is human, the object is not. When the photographer captures truth from a model, the model is the subject of the photo. When truth is not captured (as in "look sexy" as opposed to a genuine expression of sexuality, for example) the model ceases to be a subject, and is relegated to the role of simply an object within the frame. A subject is engaging, an object is not.

Compare a painting of a tree by Van Gogh, and a simply capable painter (and mediocrity here has nothing to do with mastering the technique or not. A mediocre painter may or may not have good technique. An artist creates his own technique.). The not so good painter paints a tree. Van Gogh paints a self portrait. You can see his personality, his grief, his anguish, and his sadness. We even see this in his signature, which is a simple and melancholic "Vincent". Van Gogh makes a tree engaging to the viewer. The viewer can recognize himself in this tree and sees himself reflected in the personality of "Vincent".

Same goes with a good photograph. Take a Helmut Newton, for example and the icy sexuality that prevails in his work. His work is distinguishable from any other photographer, especially a lesser one (and I've seen many parodies of his work here, I dare not call them imitations). He captures something truthful about himself, by creating an illusion of psychology in the model, and by lighting and composition.

So basically it comes down to this: Truth = Engaging. Subject (as opposed to object) = engaging.

Check "Ways of Seeing" by John Berger. Here's the link to a pdf: http://engl101-f12-lombardy.wikispaces. … Seeing.pdf

Critical reading for anyone involved in the visual arts.

Hope this makes sense.

Regarding the photo you linked to. What do you think?

I love this way of looking at it, Jorge - beautiful vision. But not every photographer is interested in making art and that doesn't mean that their images have no right of existence. But I guess you're absolutely right, that the images with most impact are the ones with most meaning and honesty in them. You mentioned Neil, when I speak with him that's the way he sees it too I believe. Can't be a coincidence that you have an appreciation for him and that you two are both great photographers.

About the linked one... I am subjective but I believe yes, it is 'honest'. Just not sure about interesting or a mirror.

Mar 25 13 10:47 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Axioma wrote:
I love this way of looking at it, Jorge - beautiful vision. But not every photographer is interested in making art and that doesn't mean that their images have no right of existence. But I guess you're absolutely right, that the images with most impact are the ones with most meaning and honesty in them. You mentioned Neil, when I speak with him that's the way he sees it too I believe. Can't be a coincidence that you have an appreciation for him and that you two are both great photographers.

About the linked one... I am subjective but I believe yes, it is 'honest'. Just not sure about interesting or a mirror.

Thank you, but I never said that non-art has not a right to exist.

Also, Neil is a much better technician than I am. I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of his shoots. I could learn a lot from him.

Mar 25 13 10:53 am Link

Photographer

Dan K Photography

Posts: 5466

STATEN ISLAND, New York, US

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Mar 25 13 12:09 pm Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Dan K Photography wrote:
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Technically well executed? Yes.

Does it blow me away? No.

Mar 25 13 12:47 pm Link

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Dan K Photography

Posts: 5466

STATEN ISLAND, New York, US

Jorge Kreimer wrote:

Technically well executed? Yes.

Does it blow me away? No.

http://beautyxpose.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/huff-and-puff.gif

Mar 25 13 12:56 pm Link

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Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Dan K Photography wrote:

http://beautyxpose.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/huff-and-puff.gif

Cute! smile

Mar 25 13 01:08 pm Link

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Alexey VS

Posts: 256

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Reminds me of all those dating profiles by silly girls under 30 telling guys to impress them. Would shooting you in the kneecap do the trick...

Mar 25 13 01:14 pm Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Alexey Sky wrote:
Reminds me of all those dating profiles by silly girls under 30 telling guys to impress them. Would shooting you in the kneecap do the trick...

Nope.

Mar 25 13 01:24 pm Link

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Alexey VS

Posts: 256

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Good answer.

Mar 25 13 01:25 pm Link

Photographer

Joseph William

Posts: 2027

Chicago, Illinois, US

I am thinking no... but I will try anyway.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120726/15/5011c2b0e2b6a_m.jpg

Mar 25 13 01:39 pm Link

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May_Bee

Posts: 222

Basel, Basel-Town, Switzerland

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SPV Photo

Posts: 789

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Mar 25 13 02:18 pm Link

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Paul Tirado Photography

Posts: 4252

New York, New York, US

Maybe? slightly?

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120915/21/50555ace0ed70_m.jpg

Mar 25 13 05:43 pm Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Sorry, but I'm extremely busy today. I'll be back tomorrow.

Mar 26 13 05:16 am Link

Photographer

TDSImages

Posts: 857

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Jorge Kreimer wrote:

Just your run of the mill glamour shot. Nothing impressive, and overly Photoshopped. Lighting is ok, model is ok, that's about it.

I love honest and credible threads like this.  Just when I think I'm starting to make strides in my photography, I am brought back down to earth with the realization that I have so much more to learn.  Thanks for opening my eyes Jorge.

Mar 26 13 05:26 am Link

Photographer

Rik Williams

Posts: 3506

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Give me the low down Jorge


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130304/03/513481161bbc6.jpg

Mar 26 13 05:28 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1152

Rochester, New York, US

Mar 26 13 12:05 pm Link

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Summersbreeze

Posts: 6

Virginia Beach, Virginia, US

Mar 26 13 12:10 pm Link

Photographer

Mortonovich

Posts: 5556

San Diego, California, US

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/070117/01/45adc59b07423_m.jpg

Mar 26 13 01:48 pm Link

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Sven Lori

Posts: 276

Brussels, Brussels, Belgium

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121202/09/50bb8ed138ee6.jpg

What do u think?

Mar 26 13 02:26 pm Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Joseph William  wrote:
I am thinking no... but I will try anyway.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120726/15/5011c2b0e2b6a_m.jpg

It's a good glamour/beach shot, but I'm not too crazy about the filters you used.

Sorry but not impressed.

Mar 27 13 08:11 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

May_Bee wrote:
can i try?

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/17771590

You have a great look, and I would personally love to work with you, but I'm not quite impressed by the photo. I'm sure you can do much better. smile

Mar 27 13 08:14 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

SPV Photo wrote:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32024111 (18+)

Technically well executed. Very nice photo, but not impressive.

Mar 27 13 08:15 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Paul Tirado Photography wrote:
Maybe? slightly?

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120915/21/50555ace0ed70_m.jpg

Paul, It's hard for me to criticize you, since you have always been very kind to me.
I'm personally not too partial to dance photos to begin with. The photo is technically well executed, there's no doubt about that. I do have problems with the dance theme with the city background. It's a weird context for me for this shot. Also, the title is misleading since there is no fashion in this image.

I am impressed by this one though. I like the simple execution, the engaging model, make up and hair, and even though the dress doesn't fit her too well, interesting styling regarding the choice of colors. Very nice fashion shot.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120722/19/500cb9ed1aa2e.jpg

Mar 27 13 08:25 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Rik Williams wrote:
Give me the low down Jorge


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130304/03/513481161bbc6.jpg

Good comercial shot. Simple and to the point, but not quite impressive.

Mar 27 13 08:29 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Summersbreeze wrote:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32109040

Hmm, dancing nude. Not crazy about your choices in filters, no detail in the blacks, not really engaged by the model.

I'm very sorry, but not impressed.

Mar 27 13 08:35 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Summersbreeze wrote:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32109040

Looks like a snapshot, sorry.

Mar 27 13 08:36 am Link

Photographer

Lakeshore Photography

Posts: 177

Holland, Michigan, US

I'm game, let me know what you think.

Mar 27 13 08:36 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

ChiMo wrote:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/070117/01/45adc59b07423_m.jpg

Indeed! Who the f*ck cares?

Mar 27 13 08:37 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121202/09/50bb8ed138ee6.jpg
Very atmospheric, a sense of impending violence, gritty, and well executed.
I like how expressive the hands are, in the sense that they can almost replace the unseen facial expression.

Almost there, but a je ne sais quoi is missing, very hard to pin point; or perhaps it's too theatrical for my taste.

Very close but not quite there. Sorry.

Mar 27 13 08:42 am Link

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Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Lakeshore Photography wrote:
I'm game, let me know what you think.

I'll be happy to comply, but please post a photo.

Mar 27 13 08:43 am Link

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Lakeshore Photography

Posts: 177

Holland, Michigan, US

Jorge Kreimer wrote:

I'll be happy to comply, but please post a photo.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121029/22/508f674cc7729_m.jpg

Mar 27 13 08:45 am Link

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NicoleNudes

Posts: 3861

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Mar 27 13 08:50 am Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18133

Albany, New York, US

Mar 27 13 08:55 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

NicoleNudes wrote:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31898383 18+ smile

You created a very nice shape, but I would have liked a more engaging expression.

Sorry but not impressed.

Mar 27 13 09:09 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

Farenell Photography wrote:
Whatcha think of this one?

+18 http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31178212

Sorry, but not impressed.

Mar 27 13 09:11 am Link

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brown-eyes

Posts: 403

Chino, California, US

I love how your arnt sugar coating anything. I hope I can impress you with this. I happen to think its my best photo in my port.


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/071007/21/47098cb5a84d3.jpg

Mar 27 13 10:11 am Link

Photographer

Terrell Gates

Posts: 1042

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Whatcha think?

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120513/13/4fb01aafe9e01.jpg

Mar 27 13 10:29 am Link

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AndreasMb

Posts: 3087

Paris, Île-de-France, France

Mar 27 13 10:29 am Link

Photographer

Rik Williams

Posts: 3506

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Jorge Kreimer wrote:

Good comercial shot. Simple and to the point, but not quite impressive.

My goodness you're a hard man to please Jeorge... I like that.
I'll just have to keep pushing things harder.
Cheers mate smile

Mar 27 13 10:47 am Link