Forums > General Industry > Under 18 models, parental permision/release.

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

Hello all,
I have a shoot coming up with a 17 year old lad, and not having shot a model under 18 before, a little unsure of what permisions I will need from maybe parents etc. Is there anything I need to do from a legal point. This will be a fashion/sporty shoot.

Apr 17 13 12:31 pm Link

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Photographer

GPS Studio Services

Posts: 36274

San Francisco, California, US

It is always good to get permission from a parent and to have them present when you shoot.  As for a release, you are in the UK.  Releases are often not needed there, and when you have them, they need to be conformant to where you are at.  That having been said, if you use a UK appropriate document, you will want a parental signature on it as well.

Apr 17 13 12:35 pm Link

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Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

I have asked the model to have an adult present, I wouldn't shoot without one. My main question really is if I need written parental permision for any legal reasons, or if there is a form I could print off for this purpose.

Apr 17 13 12:39 pm Link

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GPS Studio Services

Posts: 36274

San Francisco, California, US

Danny Barson wrote:
I have asked the model to have an adult present, I wouldn't shoot without one. My main question really is if I need written parental permision for any legal reasons, or if there is a form I could print off for this purpose.

If the parent was there, why would you need some other kind of permission?

Apr 17 13 12:52 pm Link

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

The model wants to bring his girlfriend (22 yo) so he has an adult with him, but I think I may need written parental permision?

Apr 17 13 01:05 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6308

New York, New York, US

You'd be better advised to speak to a local attorney rather than depend on the advice you'll get here, particularly from those of us in the U.S. but legally required or not, it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a memo signed by a parent confirming that the shoot is taking place with his/her permission.

IMHO as always, of course.

Apr 17 13 01:57 pm Link

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Photographer

GPS Studio Services

Posts: 36274

San Francisco, California, US

Danny Barson wrote:
The model wants to bring his girlfriend (22 yo) so he has an adult with him, but I think I may need written parental permision?

I was under the impression that you meant the parent would be there.  There is nothing wrong with getting written permission from the parent to avoid any misconceptions.

Bear in mind that teens go into portrait studios all the time to have photos taken without parental consent.

Apr 17 13 02:01 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Clark Photos

Posts: 147

Marion, Iowa, US

Ask someone in the UK for legal advice.  However, I have all my models sign a release form before shooting.  If they are a minor then the parent or legal guardian would also have to sign.  You could mail it to his parents before the shoot if you have time.

Apr 17 13 02:11 pm Link

Photographer

Feverstockphoto

Posts: 595

London, England, United Kingdom

Permission to take an image of someone of any age is normally not required here. There may be exceptions like a minor in court.

But you have to be careful about the nature of the image, how you may wish to use the image ect... Be aware of data protection, privacy laws. 

So written permission is not rquired but would help depending on how you wish to use images portfolios - Stock sites and if there are any disputes in the future for any reason.   

Side note: Where i am in Belfast, i remember reading somewhere that said something like if the person/model is under 16 or 18 can't remember which and they are being hired as in paid money to model a licence from the City Hall is required, but some laws are different here and Scotland and Wales and England smile.

Apr 17 13 02:12 pm Link

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JJMiller

Posts: 618

Buffalo, New York, US

The Graphic Designer's Guild Pricing and Ethical Guidelines (an annual book) has a good model release form, but that may be only suitable for US people (the wording and what not). If you have to pay a bit for a solid release form it's certainly worth it, check around for the UK equivalent.

Apr 18 13 03:01 pm Link

Photographer

picture5469

Posts: 1

London, England, United Kingdom

Hi Danny,

I've shot kids before. If they are 16 or under(still at school) you need patental permission and a license from the LOcal education authority even if it isn't in school time. If they have left school but under 18 then you need parental permission.

The only thing that worries me is that recently the school age in the uk was raised from 16 to 18. I'd just check with your LEA before the shoot.
Mark

Apr 18 13 03:10 pm Link

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Flex Photography

Posts: 5294

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

Brian Clark Photos wrote:
Ask someone in the UK for legal advice.  However, I have all my models sign a release form before shooting.  If they are a minor then the parent or legal guardian would also have to sign.  You could mail it to his parents before the shoot if you have time.

This! Never hurts to Cover Your Ass. I actually have both parent and model sign, so that, if needed at a later date, there is also an indication that the model shot willingly.

Apr 19 13 02:24 pm Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 595

London, England, United Kingdom

picture5469 wrote:
Hi Danny,

I've shot kids before. If they are 16 or under(still at school) you need patental permission and a license from the LOcal education authority even if it isn't in school time. If they have left school but under 18 then you need parental permission.

The only thing that worries me is that recently the school age in the uk was raised from 16 to 18. I'd just check with your LEA before the shoot.
Mark

^ That may be policy on private grounds/school hours on grounds and would be school/education policy. But policy is not the Law! May or may not be based on the law either. It's their requirement though, so say what you see Bob smile

You can take an image of anyone of any age even without their permission in a public place in the U.K, with one maybe two exceptions - court and nature of shot as mentioned above.  The real important thing is not the taking of photo but how it is processed, stored, used and other laws like data protection act....

But remember we are talking about someone who is wanting to be photographed.   Nevermind, speak to a lawyer smile. Get something in writting and save the headache! 

Underage minors signature is worth shi* on model release!  smile.

Apr 19 13 07:23 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Flex Photography wrote:
This! Never hurts to Cover Your Ass. I actually have both parent and model sign, so that, if needed at a later date, there is also an indication that the model shot willingly.

That's my policy. Even if I don't need the release, I have model and parent sign one, anyway, so there's no doubt later if the parent decides to claim he or she wasn't in the loop.

Apr 20 13 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

Seismic Images

Posts: 525

Morisset, New South Wales, Australia

I recently shot with a local model who was 17. We discussed it prior and I informed her either a parent would need to attend the shoot or have her nominate a person over 18 ( ie a female assistant) to be present. Turned out Mum came along and was awesome. Of course I had checked Mum's'"references'' prior with another photographer.

Both model and Mum completed the paperwork, no issue.Overall a positive experience.

Apr 20 13 03:50 pm Link

Photographer

Charger Photography

Posts: 1720

San Antonio, Texas, US

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/chargerphotos1/791.jpg

11 year old... took this last sunday... no parents present during the shoot.... after that I took her back to her house. smile

Apr 20 13 04:05 pm Link

Photographer

Expression Unlimited

Posts: 1140

San Diego, California, US

Parent should stay and watch - enough to know its all appropriate and needs to sign the model release ... a  good idea to have the parent read and approve it re usage etc in advance
Must be a CUSTODIAL parent to give permission  BTW

smile

Apr 20 13 04:21 pm Link