Forums > Digital Art and Retouching > help: hair retouching

Photographer

zurkzees

Posts: 57

Houston, Texas, US

I've got a good grasp on skin retouching but I still have
problem retouching hair, more so massive strays over
skin like the neck. I'm stuck with editing image from my
set because I can't get past this portion of editing.

How would you guy edit the hair on the neck and still
have a natural looking hair/skin edge?

http://cdb-interiors.com/temp/wide.png

http://cdb-interiors.com/temp/closeup.png

Apr 18 13 07:16 pm Link

Retoucher

Frankcerro

Posts: 40

Sevilla, Andalusia, Spain

first, clean all that you want with frecuency split and D&B and then paint with a small brush like three or two pixels at 80% to make more real the retouch.

Apr 18 13 10:33 pm Link

Retoucher

Laura EB

Posts: 65

Rochester, New York, US

I've done this before to a somewhat lesser degree and here's what I did.

1.Healing brush/clone/patch away all the hairs, sometimes it helps to do this on a layer sent to lighten first then again on a normal layer.  I didn't really worry to much it it looked all messy and gross because after this you...
2. D&B the heck outta the parts you fixed because I honestly feel like there's no simple&good&fast way to get ridda those hairs you really have to spend a lotta time healing then D&B
3. (optional)Draw in some new hairs near the edges to help keep it looking real, do this with the clone tool and a very tiny brush with the opacity set down a bit.

Sometimes though if I'm in a rush I'll create a surface blur layer (I know, blur ahhh!) and set it to lighten or normal if perfection isn't a big deal with the part that need to be fixed masked.  You still have to do the other two steps it just makes it go a little quicker.

All that being said, if all the hair is messy like that, sometimes having a nice smooth cut off looks weird, so make sure all the rest of your hair is nice and tamed after you do this!

Here's an example from my port:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130418/11/5170353b62646.jpg

Apr 18 13 11:06 pm Link

Retoucher

Natalia Retouch

Posts: 107

Donetsk, Donetsk, Ukraine

Use the clone stamp tool with 40-70%hardness, 100% opacity.

Apr 18 13 11:17 pm Link

Retoucher

Kristiana-Retouch

Posts: 289

London, England, United Kingdom

In this case I probably would split frequencies - on high over messy hair I would clone good neck texture and then clone/paint in on low layer or blank layer between good neck color. (both probably with pretty large hard brushes)
I would do it in larger area than needed. After it's replaced I would make Inverted mask to all frequency separation group and paint in where I need it. After that D&B to fix or change any problem areas.

Apr 19 13 01:09 am Link

Retoucher

Peano

Posts: 4106

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

On a blank layer, I would clone out all the frizzies with a large brush, going well into the good hair, at 100% opacity. Put a mask on that, define the hair edge fairly sharply, then on a new layer sketch in some hairs to break up that line so it makes a natural transition to skin.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3235/hairline.jpg

Apr 19 13 06:36 am Link

Retoucher

Ken Fournelle

Posts: 99

Saint Paul, Minnesota, US

Peano +1

Apr 19 13 07:32 am Link

Photographer

zurkzees

Posts: 57

Houston, Texas, US

+111111 Peano for going beyond and showing the result.

Ken Fournelle wrote:
Peano +1

Thanks for the many responses, I'll give them a try.

Apr 19 13 10:18 am Link

Retoucher

retouchbysui

Posts: 100

London, England, United Kingdom

how to draw the hair and having it looking like real hair?

Apr 20 13 04:49 pm Link

Retoucher

Peano

Posts: 4106

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

retouches by sui wrote:
how to draw the hair and having it looking like real hair?

Set your brush to 0% hardness. Experiment with the opacity fade setting. Vary the color.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1254/brushesmh.jpg

Apr 20 13 06:27 pm Link

Retoucher

retouchbysui

Posts: 100

London, England, United Kingdom

Peano wrote:

Set your brush to 0% hardness. Experiment with the opacity fade setting. Vary the color.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1254/brushesmh.jpg

thanks smile

Apr 21 13 12:20 pm Link

Photographer

JoshuaBerardi

Posts: 615

Davenport, Iowa, US

Ken Fournelle wrote:
Peano +1

+1

Best way to do this.

Apr 21 13 08:51 pm Link

Retoucher

AKMac

Posts: 329

London, England, United Kingdom

With Peano's approach it is often necessary to apply noise and blur to the added hair to blend it in.

Apr 21 13 11:45 pm Link

Retoucher

nebulaoperator

Posts: 340

London, England, United Kingdom

Approach I use is variety of a couple of ways. First I would clone in a peace of skin to cover that area(if delicate clean up doesn't work). Then I would reveal the hair strings that can blend in with the hair I draw. I also look for the hair peaces around in the image or if possible from the other image and clone on top. It is a play around approach. I can end up with group of layers consisting of quiet a few layers. Once the  appearance look natural a leave it to dodge and burn, color adjustments , contrast and etc.  I was hating the idea at the start that I will have to learn draw the hair but once I managed to do it's very helpful. Having said that I get  angry when hair stylist doesn't do a proper job. Photographer should also pay attention to details like that.

Apr 22 13 02:21 am Link

Photographer

A R A G O N

Posts: 41

+1

AKMac wrote:
With Peano's approach it is often necessary to apply noise and blur to the added hair to blend it in.

Apr 22 13 06:28 am Link

Photographer

richy01

Posts: 153

Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Thanks Peano, great advice....

Apr 25 13 09:25 pm Link