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ChristerArt

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Cambridge, England, United Kingdom

I normally do not post in the forums but this is an
important issue..=*^)



Published: 11 Apr 2013 09:00 GMT+02:00 | Print version
Updated: 11 Apr 2013 09:00 GMT+02:00

Women should forget everything they've been told about bras. According to a new French study, published on Wednesday, wearing a bra does nothing to reduce back pain, and the chest supports actually cause increased breast sagging.

The results of a mammoth 15-year study led by professor Jean-Denis Rouillon, from the University of Besançon in eastern France, are finally in and it looks like conventional wisdom about bras and back pain has been way off the mark.

More here:

http://www.thelocal.fr/page/view/breast … ench-study

Apr 22 13 07:13 am Link

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MC Seoul Photography

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Seoul, Seoul, Korea (South)

All the women involved in the study were aged between 18 and 35, although the professor was keen to stress that the group were not a representative of the global population of females.

It's a limited study, and like many media reports, light on details. For example.. was there any difference between A cups and F cups.. while I might agree, that women who don't have particularly large breasts might not see a huge difference, women with larger than average breasts might see a bigger issue.

He points out that the study is far from complete at this point, and this is basically just sensationalism.

Apr 22 13 08:21 am Link

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Rick OBanion Photo

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Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada

According to my friend at Victoria's Secret, the average cup size here is now a D. I see the rationale behind the conclusions, but wonder how it holds up for women of that size.

Apr 22 13 08:29 am Link

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Matt Knowles

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Ferndale, California, US

As a kid, I remember seeing pictures of primitive societies in National Geographic where the women were topless, and I'd have to say, that's proof enough that bras have a positive effect.

Nice try by some Frenchman to get women to go around braless though. I commend his effort.

Apr 22 13 10:14 am Link

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Lynn Elizabeth

Posts: 1336

Coral Springs, Florida, US

I have a D cup and I generally spend my days braless. I will put a bra on to go out though (for the most part). But if I'm just hanging out around the house I don't feel a need. I don't feel sore if I don't wear one. If I do wear a bra for a long period of time, when I take it off it hurts. So I can understand where this information is coming from.

Apr 22 13 12:44 pm Link

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JBerman Photography

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New York, New York, US

this thread is useless without photos as proof

Apr 22 13 12:48 pm Link

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BYS

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Paris, Île-de-France, France

typical french , anything is good to keep them visible

Apr 22 13 12:54 pm Link

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Evie Wolfe

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Nottingham, England, United Kingdom

Like Lynn, I spend much of my time braless, when I am at home. However, though bras may not reduce back pain and may cause 'sagging', but they do keep my breasts out of the way when I'm trying to do things, stop them bouncing so much when I'm moving around and have probably prevented all kinds of unforseen awkward social situations.
Clothes and fashion have changed since the bra was invented - we no longer have the option of wearing dresses or tops with built in support or at least the ability to prevent spillage or overflowing....

At the end of the day, my back exercises will keep me strong enough to haul my chest around, and 'sagging' is a fact of life. Chest exercises and good skin care can help, but it is going to happen - and unless I get really inventive with sellotape, I'm going to have to keep wearing bras to be acceptable in public! tongue

Apr 22 13 12:55 pm Link

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ForeverFotos

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Indianapolis, Indiana, US

I guess if I were doing a study of women with/without bras I might want to take 15 years to do it, too. I might even stretch it out to 25-30 years just to make sure I was doing everything right! http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif

Apr 22 13 12:58 pm Link

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Keith92883

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Corona, California, US

Thanks for the public service tip.

Apr 22 13 01:06 pm Link

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Cherrystone

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Columbus, Ohio, US

Matt Knowles wrote:
As a kid, I remember seeing pictures of primitive societies in National Geographic where the women were topless, and I'd have to say, that's proof enough that bras have a positive effect.

Do you mean the women who had enough kids to populate a small village?

Apr 22 13 01:21 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

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New York, New York, US

In the '60s, the beginning of the braless era, I worked in an office.  Directly across from my desk was the company's brand new, first ever electric typewriter, operated by a brand new (and braless) temp.  At one point she leaned over to peer at the document she was transcribing.  Apparently her breast brushed the carriage return and she knocked herself cold.

We soon had a dress code that prohibited the braless look for female employees--including temps.

Apr 22 13 06:07 pm Link

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Art of the nude

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Olivet, Michigan, US

Matt Knowles wrote:
As a kid, I remember seeing pictures of primitive societies in National Geographic where the women were topless, and I'd have to say, that's proof enough that bras have a positive effect.

Like theses?  (18+)
http://www.nationalgeographicstock.com/ … 045176.jpg
http://www.nationalgeographicstock.com/ … 602080.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6165/622 … 9f11_o.jpg

Apr 22 13 06:34 pm Link

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Photos by DeanR

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Langley, British Columbia, Canada

MC Seoul Photography wrote:
It's a limited study, and like many media reports, light on details. For example.. was there any difference between A cups and F cups..

It did say it was a "mammoth" study...

Apr 23 13 04:04 am Link

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Anna Adrielle

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Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

yeah, and they only researched young women with small cups. right.

Apr 23 13 04:21 am Link

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Jim Ball

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Frontenac, Kansas, US

Anna Adrielle wrote:
yeah, and they only researched young women with small cups. right.

What does Espresso have to do with this thread?

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6135/5953275594_0630ab99c8_o.jpg

Apr 23 13 05:46 am Link

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Anna Adrielle

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Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

Jim Ball wrote:

What does Espresso have to do with this thread?

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6135/5953275594_0630ab99c8_o.jpg

and all of those women have small cups. three of them.

Apr 23 13 06:15 am Link

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Will Snizek Photography

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Beckley, West Virginia, US

You always have to wonder what those sneaky Frenchman are up to with their studies.

Apr 23 13 06:17 am Link

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SPierce Photography

Posts: 19790

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

Good thing I go braless on a regular basis, anyway, then big_smile Bras are annoying.

Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
According to my friend at Victoria's Secret, the average cup size here is now a D. I see the rationale behind the conclusions, but wonder how it holds up for women of that size.

I'm a DD, and if i can get away with not wearing a bra all the time (i.e. wearing a shirt that people could see through or going to a professional place where it's proper to wear one) I would. If i'm running or something, yes, it gets extremely uncomfortable from the bouncing- but aside from that it's a LOT easier and a lot more comfortable to just wear multiple layers.

Apr 23 13 06:22 am Link

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Koryn

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Boston, Massachusetts, US

I don't even fit in bras, since I'm actually something like a 30A. The only time I ever had myself professionally measured, the lingerie store woman said she'd never seen an under-bust measurement as small as mine, and she'd been measuring women for 10 years.

I typically layer boys' undershirts. There is no need to spend money on bras. I have a little more boobs (and a lot less ass) now than I did when I was younger, but it's marginal.

Apr 23 13 06:33 am Link

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DarcieK

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Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Let me guess...none of these girls were busty. While I do go braless at home sometimes, I generally have to wear one because it hurts not to. (I'm a D cup btw).

Apr 23 13 07:01 am Link

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Kincaid Blackwood

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Atlanta, Georgia, US

Rick OBanion Photo wrote:
…but wonder how it holds up for women of that size.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3057/2367515373_515ff7a325.jpg

Apr 23 13 07:09 am Link

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Rob Photosby

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Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

ChristerArt wrote:
I normally do not post in the forums but this is an
important issue..=*^)



Published: 11 Apr 2013 09:00 GMT+02:00 | Print version
Updated: 11 Apr 2013 09:00 GMT+02:00

Women should forget everything they've been told about bras. According to a new French study, published on Wednesday, wearing a bra does nothing to reduce back pain, and the chest supports actually cause increased breast sagging.

The results of a mammoth 15-year study led by professor Jean-Denis Rouillon, from the University of Besançon in eastern France, are finally in and it looks like conventional wisdom about bras and back pain has been way off the mark.

More here:

http://www.thelocal.fr/page/view/breast … ench-study

Mammoth study?  HARDLY (and conceded by the study leader)? (Quoting the study leader) “The small sample of 320 young women is not representative of the entire population – that would require something like 300,000 subjects.”

Representative? NOT AT ALL (and worthless if it is not).  A relatively short term longitudinal study (only 15 years, and restricted to ages 18 to 35).  No consideration of breast mass or morphology.  No mention of control data.

Believable? PROBABLY NOT. ""on average their nipples lifted on average seven millimetres in one year in relation to the shoulders."  Nipples rising over the years?  Even assuming they meant "falling", my wife of 40 years once perky boobs have fallen by barely a third of that rate.

Value of study - great example for undergrad science students of poor experimental design and for journalism students of how to beat up the results of a pilot study into something to stir up a gullible public

Apr 23 13 07:28 am Link

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Becks

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Rochester, New York, US

I've got huge boobs and a bad back, I can't even wear a bra that doesn't come with underwire, let alone go braless! Were I to attempt that, my herniated disk, that's right in my thoracic spine (parallel to one's boobage, right in the hump of the back when you hunch over), would bring me paaaaaain. Also, it pops my back out of place. NOT FUN.

Apr 23 13 07:37 am Link

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Gary Melton

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Dallas, Texas, US

Did they study the value of hand bras?  That might be worth checking out...

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Apr 23 13 07:37 am Link

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Gulag

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Duluth, Georgia, US

Bras are fairly recent fashion innovation in the course of hundreds of thousands years of human history.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities … XagTbWsh8E

Apr 23 13 07:53 am Link