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Was I wrong for doing this?
This really sounds like altogether a lack of communication on everyone's part. -You assuming there'd be a MUA. Have you thought about learning to do your own makeup? It might make you more marketable. -Him not stating what kind of clothes to bring. -You assuming he wanted the same type of clothes that he already had in his port. -Him assuming you'd do nudes at the previously agreed upon rate. -You assuming that just because he wanted to do nudes that he was going to pay you. -You both not really even getting a vague idea as to what y'all were hoping to accomplish at the shoot. Is it any wonder why this particular shoot didn't pan out? Apr 22 13 02:13 pm Link Laura UnBound wrote: This. I ALWAYS bring my entire makeup kit and some basic clothing/shoe options. It is almost a guarantee that they will ask you for something at the shoot that they didn't ask you to bring. Apr 22 13 02:17 pm Link Farenell Photography wrote: He had told me there'd be an MUA. I'm perfectly capable of doing my own make-up (I do for most of my shoots), I just didn't bring any because he said there'd be an MUA. Farenell Photography wrote: Actually, I didn't mention this before, but he claimed he didn't want to use my clothes because according to him they were nothing like what he had in his port. Farenell Photography wrote: He was already paying me, but as far as nudes go the rates he had set were far below my normal rates for nudes and it was also not previously discussed that nudes would be shot. Had he told me beforehand that he'd be paying me $20/hr to shoot nudes I wouldn't have accepted the shoot offer. Apr 22 13 02:21 pm Link You were right, he was wrong. You were professional, he was not. Apr 22 13 02:30 pm Link Cherrystone wrote: JSVPhotography wrote: I agree with those saying you were not at fault! Apr 22 13 02:32 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: When I was a student, I use to go to shoots monthly for the hair students exams. Great practice and almost always gave you beauty shots. At every shoot, where there were usually only 10 students in the room, at least 1 MUA would flake. My best paying film was a job I got because their artist bailed on them the morning they were starting the shoot. They called me 2 hours behind and I had 1 hr to get there for a 2 week job that paid really freaking well. We are just as capable of flaking as anyone else in this profession. Apr 22 13 02:32 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: ALWAYS. if you don't need it, fine. Think like a "Boy Scout"--always be prepared. Apr 22 13 02:45 pm Link Top Gun Digital wrote: +1 Apr 22 13 02:45 pm Link I wouldn't call you at fault, but certainly naive. It is a good practice to have all details clear from both sides. With that said, it is clear that the photographer tried to take advantage, in which case you're in your right to walk away. You should get in the habit of have either a contract or release that specifies all those details, and have it signed before you even start shooting, it's just a good business practice. Good luck, Apr 22 13 02:47 pm Link Lynz_Sharon wrote: Thank you for your advice. Apr 22 13 02:47 pm Link always have SOMETHING in writing, even if it is a printout of the emails you shared with the photographer. You've been on MM 3 years,long enough to know that if it is not in writing, it did not happen, was not promised, etc., etc., yada yada yada. best wishes in the future OP. Apr 22 13 02:49 pm Link DG at studio47 wrote: He actually pulled up our e-mails on his computer himself, so it was all there. Apr 22 13 02:50 pm Link You were right to walk out. You probably should have left earlier. You aren't the "Lone Ranger" here. The forum is glutted with posts like this. Do what you feel is right; then you don't have to seek approval of the entire population of MMville when things don't go as planned. Some photographers are dorks -changing what's agreed upon, etc. Some models are dorks -refusing to shoot what has been agreed upon. Shit happens. It happens in every walk of life. Accept it. Move on.  Apr 22 13 03:06 pm Link Orca Bay Images wrote: FOR NOT WALKING OUT Apr 22 13 03:10 pm Link Chain Reaction wrote: I would have walked out on me...but neither party was me, Apr 22 13 03:14 pm Link JSVPhotography wrote: agreed Apr 22 13 03:18 pm Link Sorry this happened to you! As others have said, there are steps you can take to make sure you are prepared for anything that may come up, MUA's not showing up, etc. But sounds like the photographer's day was poorly planned, and he didn't communicate his needs esp with regard to wanting to shoot nudes. Apr 22 13 03:33 pm Link Collaboration on creative projects will result in some great and a few not-so-great shoots. You will certainly meet some people that just do not have your same creative style or direction. Creativity and planing for me is the responsibility of the photographer and there obviously was none. I would write this off as a bad shoot and move on. As far as CAMing a bad shoot, I don't see that he violated any MM terms. He wanted to shoot nudes and you didn't agree on price. Just a failed negotiation not anything sinister. Apr 22 13 03:37 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: You might want to stop and think before you start calling me names. So I misread bringing makeup to mean bring mua - honest mistake. I was trying to help you. Also, being a girl and therefore knowing makeup is different from knowing makeup for photography. Apr 22 13 03:41 pm Link If what you are telling us is true...then he was a total tool. Telling you that there will be a MUA, then not having one and just blowing it off as no big deal...not cool, very unprofessional and simply dishonest. Booking you for a clothed shoot at one rate, then telling you that it will be a nude shoot instead, and at the same rate...not cool, very unprofessional and simply dishonest. These are the kind of guys that give MM a bad name! When you run into these kinds of situations, there's really no point in remaining. If these are his opening games...what can you expect next? It sucks that there are guys like this out there, but unfortunately, all you can do is leave immediately and suck it up. Apr 22 13 03:47 pm Link John Allan wrote: I never called you names. I said you were badly trolling, which you were. Nothing you've said has been constructive. Apr 22 13 04:19 pm Link Expression Unlimited wrote: He didn't "offer". It was more like "I don't like that dress. Take it off and put this shear cloth over your body and we'll shoot you like that". Apr 22 13 04:25 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: That's name calling. And it's untrue. Apr 22 13 04:29 pm Link You know my position on "stripper rates". That said, if he agreed to shoot clothed at $20 per hour and provide a MUA and knows that you charge more for nudes than that was the agreement and he's a dick for trying to change it during the shoot. Personally I wouldn't really have blamed you for walking out as soon as it became apparent a MUA wasn't being provided. Just my $0.02 Ciao Stefano www.stefanobrunesci.com Apr 22 13 04:36 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: YES!!! Apr 22 13 04:40 pm Link -B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote: +1 Apr 22 13 04:42 pm Link John Allan wrote: Yes, that's not telling me I'm wrong, that's telling me I'm dramatic, without telling me how you came to this conclusion. I'm a pretty happy model overall. Like I said, this is the first time in 3 years that something like this has happened to me. I'm not sure if you've talked to the photographers I've shot with but I seriously doubt you've talked to most of them, and seeing as you've never shot with me you know very little about how I operate as a model. Apr 22 13 04:42 pm Link It sounds like you missed a few red flags from the photographer. Chalk it up to a not-so-expensive lesson and move on. Apr 22 13 04:46 pm Link John Allan wrote: reading comprehension failure Apr 22 13 04:47 pm Link robert b mitchell wrote: Yeah its a bait and switch alright. Apr 22 13 04:52 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: Yes you should. Most of the time the MUA doesnt stick around for the whole shoot, so having your own for quick touch ups is always handy. Apr 22 13 04:55 pm Link You were very much in the right. I get the feeling that he thought he could get away with it because, "Well, I *am* paying her!" Even though it's not at all what you agreed. I've noticed some people are like that. It doesn't matter what the $$ amount is, or what you agreed to previously, they think they can get the world because they put some currency on the table. Apr 22 13 04:57 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: Yes, always worth having an emergency kit available just in case to do simple looks and something to style/brush your hair. It's not expected if a MUA is already part of the team, but could be a real life saver. Apr 22 13 04:59 pm Link always have SOMETHING in writing, even if it is a printout of the emails you shared with the photographer. You've been on MM 3 years,long enough to know that if it is not in writing, it did not happen, was not promised, etc., etc., yada yada yada. best wishes in the future OP. Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: then it would make perfect sense for you to walk away from the shoot, since his vision and intentions did not match the email communication. My advice was that you take the printed out emails with you to the shoot, sorry that I did not make that clear. have your own 'stuff'. always.have your own MUA/HS products, your own record of the shoot concept and communications. never rely 100% on someone else unless you have experience with them. its just good business practice and you won't run into this problem again. as always, best wishes OP. Apr 22 13 05:02 pm Link You should have asked him what he wanted you to bring. "As many looks as you can" could mean a lot of things. However, I would say you were right to walk. Apr 22 13 05:30 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: +1 ... not an answer, a dumb response. Glad you walked, don't do business with idiots, pervs or egos, at least after you've found out they fit that criteria. Apr 22 13 05:41 pm Link Based on your account of what happened, you were in the right. Apr 22 13 05:53 pm Link I would happily shoot you nude, and clothed. And I wouldn't charge a cent! Apr 22 13 06:06 pm Link Top Gun Digital wrote: Exactly ! Apr 22 13 06:06 pm Link Elizabeta Rosandic wrote: You could (or should) have asked that he pay for your time that he wasted. Apr 22 13 06:07 pm Link |
