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Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18265

Orlando, Florida, US

So I got RCMA Shinto and KO palettes  because well I wanted to try these professional products that I keep hearing about in these forums and everyone raves about. And well I'm dissapointed. I feel the payoff and the coverage is subpar. Other foundations that I have in my kit and I prefer over this are MUFE HD, Lancome teint miracle, MAC studio sculpt and even my Revlon color stay I gave a list so you can get an idea what I'm comparing to which I'm surprised I prefer it over these palettes. I'm hoping that is user error what is your preferred method to apply this for full coverage without having to put layers upon layers I feel their coverage is not as full coverage as I was hoping. I'm not trying to put the product down but I have two palettes that I need to figure out how to use because there must be a reason these are recommended by many artists. I don't know maybe I just don't know how to work with a cream foundation.

Any help is greatly appreciated

Apr 24 13 07:57 pm Link

Photographer

Thomas Van Dyke

Posts: 2152

Washington, District of Columbia, US

A-M-P wrote:
So I got RCMA Shinto and KO palettes

wise choice...

A-M-P wrote:
Other foundations that I have in my kit and I prefer over this are MUFE HD, Lancome teint miracle, MAC studio sculpt and even my Revlon color stay I gave a list so you can get an idea what I'm comparing to which I'm surprised I prefer it over these palettes.

First and foremost in tenured hands all the aforementioned will yield excellent results (not surprisingly) also brand loyalty oft plays into the picture... that seems to be a given with many artist...

My question to you is are your evaluating product for personal use or for commercial use in event or production photoshoot/video?  RCMA is decidedly not a retail product, thus requires a tad more skill to apply... There are compelling reasons it is used in production environments...

Next question did you also purchase the appropriate RCMA Thinner to use with the product? Without this you will not have the latitude of diversity the product is capable of... Please study the reviews on RCMA's foundation thinner to help you achieve your expectations here...

A-M-P wrote:
...there must be a reason these are recommended by many artists...

+1  I was advised on the WONDERFUL versatility of RCMA by a tenure professional who's client list is more than amazing...

A-M-P wrote:
...maybe I just don't know how to work with a cream foundation.

patience grasshopper.... proficiency comes with time/tenure/practice... I have used a myriad of product commercially, nearly all the ones you have enumerated above... only one product has superseded RCMA as my foundation of choice, and that is TEMPTU S/B airbrush foundation... it is entirely in a league of it's own...  that said, the learning curve for airbrush is rather demanding (I'm being conservative here) so don't think migration to the aforementioned will take your game to the next level...

Food for thought... so I go out and buy a NIKON D4 and my photographs still aren't getting me booked by major ad agencies... must be that the camera sucks... right?

all the best on your journey...

Apr 25 13 05:47 am Link

Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18265

Orlando, Florida, US

Thomas Van Dyke wrote:
My question to you is are your evaluating product for personal use or for commercial use in event or production photoshoot/video?  RCMA is decidedly not a retail product, thus requires a tad more skill to apply... There are compelling reasons it is used in production environments...

Next question did you also purchase the appropriate RCMA Thinner to use with the product? Without this you will not have the latitude of diversity the product is capable of... Please study the reviews on RCMA's foundation thinner to help you achieve your expectations here...

I got it for my kit for photo-shoot makeup. No I did not get the thinner

Apr 25 13 06:22 am Link

Photographer

Thomas Van Dyke

Posts: 2152

Washington, District of Columbia, US

A-M-P wrote:
...No I did not get the thinner

there in lays an issue... straight RCMA has a rather stiff slip and glide... by design...  Because it is highly pigmented it can be used as concealer straight (I do this a lot with women of color) since many concealer palettes aren't always diverse enough for a good match...

The beauty of using RCMA straight is for talent with surface texture issues i.e. large pores etc.  RCMA can/will spackle these effectively...

thinning the product makes it more like retail brands in slip and glide properties...

btw, my assistant nearly always uses RCMA on set, albeit for her personal use it's a liquid that gets the nod... why?  primarily convenience...  retail product goes on fast and is pretty much hassle free...  but just doesn't photograph nearly as well... also highlighting/contouring with liquid foundation product simply isn't nearly as effective....   

The superb blending properties of RCMA is what endears it to artists....

hope this helps...

Apr 25 13 06:46 am Link

Makeup Artist

Michael Key

Posts: 225

Los Angeles, California, US

RCMA has great products and the foundations are excellent...but they might require a slightly different technique compared to products design for pedestrian use.

Apr 26 13 01:58 pm Link

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Makeup Artist

Mary

Posts: 7188

Coronado, California, US

Thomas said it all,  The man has a way with words that's for sure.    As he said..this foundation takes some practice, it is NOT for the retail consumer by any stretch.. I've been using it my entire career and I just can't leave it because the results never let me down. I personally  know and respect the founder of Cinema Secrets, Graftobian and Joe Blasco...I never personally met Vincent (RCMA founder)  and so I don't personally have a bias for the RCMA brand...

Maybe I have an attachment because it's the foundation I fell in love with first? It's the only brand whose founder hung up on me when I asked if I could carry it in my store many years ago... LOL!  I love a challenge, maybe that's it.....   Who knows why I love this foundation  so much but I do. It looks like skin, that's the best way I can describe it...When you get it on, you can't see it..it doesn't look like foundation.  Almost every shot in my book was done with RCMA... many of the real recent stuff was done with Graftobian but 80% of my portfolio is RCMA foundation.

Apr 27 13 01:08 am Link

Makeup Artist

jmorrismua

Posts: 59

Chicago, Illinois, US

Just purchased both palettes for my kit. It's the only foundation I've ever used that tricked my eyes into thinking I had perfect skin. I literally could not see it. I'm shinto 4 and I'm in love with this.

Oct 08 14 04:49 am Link

Photographer

Chicchowmein

Posts: 14553

Palm Beach, Florida, US

For sure my next palette is going to be RCMA

And of course from CRC tongue

Oct 08 14 09:58 pm Link

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Makeup Hair by Dani B

Posts: 787

Los Angeles, California, US

I keep 2 cream, 3 liquid and one powder foundation in rotation in my kit for print and film. RCMA is my top pick most of the time. There is, as others have said, a learning curve with the product and it is not my top recommendation for novices and I would never recommend it to a consumer. But for pros it is simply the best.

Oct 08 14 11:21 pm Link

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Ashley Langston MUA

Posts: 12

Pleasanton, California, US

RCMA is a staple in my kit.  You do have to really sheer it out before applying it.  You can't apply it directly from the container to the face, otherwise it'd start to "crumble" as you try to smooth it on the face.  I actually have the thinner, but I never use it.  What I do is scoop out the product with a spatula place the scooped foundation on a metal palette.  I then sort of do this "swirl and press" circular motion thing to really get the foundation super creamy.  After it's smoothed and creamed out, I then apply it to the model's face.  Sometimes after dabbing it onto the models face, I'll lightly spritz the face with a rosewater/glycerin then buff out the foundation with a buffing brush.  BEAUTIFUL!  Man, I love this stuff, Lol.  It has yet to fail me in regard to how it looks in photos.

BTW, I have the shinto palette.

Oct 09 14 09:32 am Link

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TheMakeupMan

Posts: 3769

Los Angeles, California, US

RCMA was created by Vincent Keheo and a group of pro artists for pro artists ..........hence the name "Research council of makeup artists "  " RCMA" its an industry standard for working artists

Unlike the forebrands you mentioned there is a versatility with RCMA the others cant match

If your not getting why its so great you, your probably having the expectation as you would a foundation that comes from a bottle , you just pour it out , slap in on and ta dah! you get what you get ...............

RCMA  is much more versatile than that and much more workable

1) you don't need a special thinner for RCMA , I use my fav moisturizer when and where  I want to sheer it out

2) I very rarely have any need for a concealer when I use RCMA because I can adjust the amount of coverage I need and where.

3) the color range of the palette's makes it so it will and can work on EVERYBODY of any ethniticity

4) its meant to be worked with and worked and mixed , makeup artists are like junior chemists, we love to mix and play
For example in film I tend to break it down( thin it out ) with a little moisturizer but in fashion I LOVE to add stuff like strobe cream or artificial light to it to create dewy glowey  skin

5) if the skin is really hydrated or oily I notice it can slide a lil so I don't use an oil base moisturizer and will use a water base to prep the skin if and where needed  , if the skin is really dry I use an  especially emoilent moisturizer where needed

RCMA allows you the creativity to adjust your foundation per model/actress/client /job with a HUGE range of colors and its in a pallette as opposed to carry a bunch of bottles
Its space saving , completely controlable and adjustable for any medium , hi def , film , print , red carpet , bridal ........

my suggestion .......... play .... experiment ........mix

hope that helps

Oct 13 14 08:08 am Link

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MUA Janine

Posts: 241

San Francisco, California, US

A-M-P wrote:
So I got RCMA Shinto and KO palettes  because well I wanted to try these professional products that I keep hearing about in these forums and everyone raves about. And well I'm dissapointed. I feel the payoff and the coverage is subpar. Other foundations that I have in my kit and I prefer over this are MUFE HD, Lancome teint miracle, MAC studio sculpt and even my Revlon color stay I gave a list so you can get an idea what I'm comparing to which I'm surprised I prefer it over these palettes. I'm hoping that is user error what is your preferred method to apply this for full coverage without having to put layers upon layers I feel their coverage is not as full coverage as I was hoping. I'm not trying to put the product down but I have two palettes that I need to figure out how to use because there must be a reason these are recommended by many artists. I don't know maybe I just don't know how to work with a cream foundation.

Any help is greatly appreciated

I couldn't agree more to be honest. I know a ton of artists swear by it...but as someone who has worked with it and have had it applied to my face by numerous artists...eh. I just personally find it to be too thin. Yes it can be applied in layers, but to be frank 'ain't nobody got time'. Imo cream foundations are overrated. I personally prefer MUFE too. Again, just my opinion.

Oct 17 14 08:37 am Link

Clothing Designer

Wilde Hunt Corsetry

Posts: 344

Columbus, Ohio, US

Simply put, it photographs EXTREMELY well. I am constantly impressed with how even it makes the skin look on film.

Nov 03 14 04:44 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Leanne Harpin

Posts: 199

New Haven, Connecticut, US

Just in case you are a visual learner, Kevin here will show you how to use the RCMA palette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmYTtZ3R3F4

Nov 04 14 06:56 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Karrie Welch

Posts: 224

Westfield, Massachusetts, US

i also will say- keep giving it a try, and play with it. It is the first palette I ever owned (bought it from Mary at CRC!) I agree with everything everone else said about working with it, and esp the working it on a palette- and lightly heating the underside of the metal palette can help soften it too.

Dec 04 14 04:17 pm Link

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Semi-Pro

Posts: 7

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Good, I'm glad I am not the only one who bought it (and the thinner) and realized I don't know how to use cream foundations very well. Thanks for the link

Jan 05 15 09:21 pm Link

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Rachel-Elise MUA

Posts: 111

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Hm, I have the opposite opinion as the OP (which of course is fine, lol); I actually much prefer a cream base to a liquid one, and these days, I use RCMA undiluted on all the faces I make up for print. I mean, my port here is pathetically out-of-date and so doesn't reflect this, but I just thought I'd add another opinion into the mix. smile

...I also happen to be wearing RCMA foundation right now. tongue

Jan 28 15 06:18 pm Link

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Sophia Porter

Posts: 34

Lemont, Illinois, US

I absolutely LOVE the foundations from RCMA! Its the first brand I started out with and I still use it. Nothing photographs like it and the fact there are an insane amount of colors makes it perfect for professionals trying to accommodate all ethnicities. It isn't something that is easy to work with when you are starting out. You have to play around with it and see how it works. Nothing can sway my opinion on this foundation, it truly is my end all be all for photography and film.

Feb 20 15 03:01 pm Link

Makeup Artist

KathyAragon

Posts: 965

Washington, District of Columbia, US

its funny but I tried RCMA when I first started doing makeup and HATED IT! I used the thinner and I am sure it was operator error but it looked like a film of something over the skin, not like skin. Cut to 15+ years later.... I am using RCMA for every shoot and job ever now. I found out that I actually like the product by itself, not mixed with anything, as long as I work the product first with a spatula (as suggested above) and get it to a creamy consistency. When using it on myself out of my own compact I could literally swirl my finger lightly through it and it almost turns to liquid! It's amazing what this foundation does and covers. I have a couple of videos/photos on my instagram account @kataragon,  of my ruddy skin on one half and the RCMA foundation on the other. The results are unbelievable and totally realistic, without concealer.

Mar 06 15 09:50 pm Link

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MariaCatherine

Posts: 5

Clark, New Jersey, US

i think the reason you don't like it so much is because it isn't such a full-coverage foundation (unless you make it full coverage with layering). if you're doing makeup for a photoshoot, it shouldn't look like makeup is on your model. it should look like a second skin, and RCMA totally does that. i personally love it and love how light it is, especially since not everyone likes that full coverage feeling. i find it less messy than liquids too, since its not going to go all over the place the way a liquid would (especially when you need to custom blend).

May 07 15 09:32 am Link

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Mary

Posts: 7188

Coronado, California, US

This is a timely post for me to run across....  I did a class a few weeks ago and these are a couple of the shots (excuse lack of editing)  Beautiful model with or without makeup...

the first shot is the before...  same lighting and all just to make it fair

2nd shot here is RCMA foundation, I applied with a sponge, no other products like thinners were used, however I did moisturize and had a bit of Grafobian moisture on my sponge

3rd shot...  Another foundation that's very good as well but not RCMA... 

I did this to show my students the difference in makeup... I did do more eye makeup on the last one but just look at the foundation for example... Same artist, same model, same application method for the foundation

Here are the shots...   Again, I did add subtle contour and more eye makeup to the last shot... The first was an example of what I do when I'm on a shoot where the client asks for the "no makeup" look

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/150508/14/554d2d7f8a15e.jpg

May 08 15 02:46 pm Link