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Cinegenic Images

Posts: 1

Los Angeles, California, US

It seems more and more people are always hanging or using the American flag improper.
Please spread the word to inform those who are unfamiliar. 

http://www.flagandbannersupply.com/text … e_pg.2.jpg

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

Apr 30 13 08:20 pm Link

Photographer

me voy

Posts: 1218

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

Wrong forum. Put it in the off-topic discussion.

Apr 30 13 08:29 pm Link

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Michael Broughton

Posts: 2260

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

first post? check
wrong forum? check
conformist preoccupation with fetishized patriotic symbology? check
well done sir.

http://flagburningworld.com/

Apr 30 13 09:00 pm Link

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Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

Michael Broughton wrote:
first post? check
wrong forum? check
conformist preoccupation with fetishized patriotic symbology? check
well done sir.

http://flagburningworld.com/

big_smile Well said!

Apr 30 13 09:09 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17219

El Segundo, California, US

Moderator Note!
Moved.

Apr 30 13 09:18 pm Link

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Thomas Sellberg

Posts: 140

Bloomington, Illinois, US

Atleast someone else sees these issues... However I have been found in violation myself as I own a flag shirt. But as someone who took any oath to defend this great nation and as a patriot I feel that the wearing of such a shirt in appropriate times should not be a violation.

Apr 30 13 09:25 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 29008

Laguna Beach, California, US

i've forgotten to hang the flag vertically with the stars on the left side occasionally. it just looks wrong to me. i would just assume move it clockwise from its horizontal position.

Apr 30 13 09:30 pm Link

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Kincaid Blackwood

Posts: 23473

Los Angeles, California, US

Thomas Sellberg wrote:
Atleast someone else sees these issues... However I have been found in violation myself as I own a flag shirt. But as someone who took any oath to defend this great nation and as a patriot I feel that the wearing of such a shirt in appropriate times should not be a violation.

Do you own a shirt that was made out of a flag or do you own a shirt that depicts the flag. I suspect it is the latter and you are, therefore, not in violation of the (not enforceable guidelines called the) flag code.

Apr 30 13 09:32 pm Link

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Lohkee

Posts: 13436

Maricopa, Arizona, US

We flew a yellow flag with three red bars on it today. Some will understand why, others will not. Oh well.

Apr 30 13 09:33 pm Link

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GK photo

Posts: 29008

Laguna Beach, California, US

Lohkee wrote:
We flew a yellow flag with three red bars on it today. Some will understand why, others will not. Oh well.

dude, i'm ten minutes from garden grove, i know why you did.

Apr 30 13 09:50 pm Link

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What Fun Productions

Posts: 20209

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Michael Broughton wrote:
first post? check
wrong forum? check
conformist preoccupation with fetishized patriotic symbology? check
well done sir.

http://flagburningworld.com/

Rude.

May 01 13 08:04 am Link

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Will Snizek Photography

Posts: 1387

Beckley, West Virginia, US

Half of my neighborhood flies American flags in front of their homes.  I fly a bright yellow flag with a smiley face on it in front of mine.  smile  I'm a veteran and patriotic but I just don't like flag worshipping and you'd never catch me pledging my allegiance to the flag.  Our founding fathers would probably be right there with me on this topic.

May 01 13 08:21 am Link

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A Preppy Photography

Posts: 330

San Jose, California, US

Will Snizek wrote:
Half of my neighborhood flies American flags in front of their homes.  I fly a bright yellow flag with a smiley face on it in front of mine.  smile  I'm a veteran and patriotic but I just don't like flag worshipping and you'd never catch me pledging my allegiance to the flag.  Our founding fathers would probably be right there with me on this topic.

Right there with you (my grandfather served in the US Army and Airforce, survived Bataan). The flag is a representation of something bigger, not something one should be forced to kow-tow to. Around here, it's not uncommon for people in oversize pick-up trucks to set-up one or two masts in their bed to fly ol' Red, White, & Blue. I get it - you're a patriot and have pride for our country.

BUT, I feel it does more disrespect to these flags, gunning down freeways so frequently that they still fly all tattered. Unless your pick-up has seen battle (most I've seen look like they're ready/waiting for it), take it down if you drive over 50mph or replace it when it starts to show bad wear.

May 01 13 08:38 am Link

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Michael Broughton

Posts: 2260

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

What Fun Productions wrote:

Rude.

i think complaining about a perceived lack of proper flag etiquette in a PHOTOGRAPHY forum is rude (and a few other less polite adjectives).

May 01 13 08:40 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

How do you like MY flag etiquette?

https://plus.google.com/photos/11143392 … 0960254466

http://www.ianferencephoto.com/octoflag.jpg

May 01 13 08:55 am Link

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What Fun Productions

Posts: 20209

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I Ference Photography wrote:
How do you like MY flag etiquette?

Heavy man, heavy.

May 01 13 10:17 am Link

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rfordphotos

Posts: 5070

Antioch, California, US

I Ference Photography wrote:
How do you like MY flag etiquette?

I dont.

But, as a US veteran, I took an oath to defend your right to see the flag however you choose, to depict it however you choose.

It is a piece of fabric.

To many of us, it is symbolic of the hopes for a better world.

It means other things to other people. I can live with that.

May 01 13 10:26 am Link

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GK photo

Posts: 29008

Laguna Beach, California, US

I Ference Photography wrote:
How do you like MY flag etiquette?

at least resize it to the forum rules there, uri.

May 01 13 10:27 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

rfordphotos wrote:

I dont.

But, as a US veteran, I took an oath to defend your right to see the flag however you choose, to depict it however you choose.

It is a piece of fabric.

To many of us, it is symbolic of the hopes for a better world.

It means other things to other people. I can live with that.

Thank you for your service.  And for your rationality.

It just so happens that I don't like any national flags.  Not ours, and not those of other nations.  By their very nature, they represent divisiveness - a sense of nationalism, of national superiority.  If we could get out of that mindset, and see ourselves as part of the world instead of as Americans or Somalians or French or British, we could stop bickering over minutiae and work together for a better future.

And that, to me, is more symbolic of hopes for a better world than any piece of cloth.  Especially one that's treated as a sacred symbol.

May 01 13 10:42 am Link

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Kincaid Blackwood

Posts: 23473

Los Angeles, California, US

I Ference Photography wrote:
How do you like MY flag etiquette?

The left to right scrolling you've caused in this thread is rude and offensive.

May 01 13 10:44 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:

The left to right scrolling you've caused in this thread is rude and offensive.

What can I say, my art aims to provoke.

May 01 13 10:45 am Link

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What Fun Productions

Posts: 20209

Phoenix, Arizona, US

GK photo wrote:

at least resize it to the forum rules there, uri.

He doesn't believe in borders or rules.

May 01 13 10:45 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 28844

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I Ference Photography wrote:

Thank you for your service.  And for your rationality.

It just so happens that I don't like any national flags.  Not ours, and not those of other nations.  By their very nature, they represent divisiveness - a sense of nationalism, of national superiority.  If we could get out of that mindset, and see ourselves as part of the world instead of as Americans or Somalians or French or British, we could stop bickering over minutiae and work together for a better future.

And that, to me, is more symbolic of hopes for a better world than any piece of cloth.  Especially one that's treated as a sacred symbol.

Utopia!  This will never happen.

May 01 13 10:45 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

What Fun Productions wrote:

He doesn't believe in borders or rules.

If there's a piece of code I can slip in between my IMG tags to fix this, let me know.  Otherwise, not much I can do - I only have it hosted at G+, and it's hosted at that size.

May 01 13 10:47 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

Utopia!  This will never happen.

Not as long as people keep saying "this will never happen".

May 01 13 10:48 am Link

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K E E L I N G

Posts: 39863

Peoria, Illinois, US

Michael Broughton wrote:
first post? check
wrong forum? check
conformist preoccupation with fetishized patriotic symbology? check
well done sir.

http://flagburningworld.com/

Typical self proclaimed free spirit who can't resist the urge to display his self perceived superior intellect despite no apparent reason for it..... check.

May 01 13 10:48 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 28844

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I Ference Photography wrote:

If there's a piece of code I can slip in between my IMG tags to fix this, let me know.  Otherwise, not much I can do - I only have it hosted at G+, and it's hosted at that size.

The image is too large.

May 01 13 10:48 am Link

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Andialu

Posts: 14029

San Pedro, California, US

I Ference Photography wrote:

If there's a piece of code I can slip in between my IMG tags to fix this, let me know.  Otherwise, not much I can do - I only have it hosted at G+, and it's hosted at that size.

Then just supply the link instead of embedding the image?

May 01 13 10:48 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 28844

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I Ference Photography wrote:

Not as long as people keep saying "this will never happen".

It's not that simple!

May 01 13 10:49 am Link

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GK photo

Posts: 29008

Laguna Beach, California, US

I Ference Photography wrote:

What can I say, my art aims to provoke.

no, you're just inept at resizing photos.

May 01 13 10:49 am Link

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K E E L I N G

Posts: 39863

Peoria, Illinois, US

I Ference Photography wrote:
What can I say, my art aims to provoke.

GK photo wrote:
no, you're just inept at resizing photos.

lol

May 01 13 10:51 am Link

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GK photo

Posts: 29008

Laguna Beach, California, US

I Ference Photography wrote:
If there's a piece of code I can slip in between my IMG tags to fix this, let me know.  Otherwise, not much I can do - I only have it hosted at G+, and it's hosted at that size.

yes, insert this piece of code:

D R I N K  M O R E  O V A L T I N E

May 01 13 10:54 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

GK photo wrote:

no, you're just inept at resizing photos.

Ad hominem attacks - you're so clever.  I couldn't resize the version I had linked, but I threw a new version up on my server, clever boy.

May 01 13 10:54 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

It's not that simple!

Sure it is.  It won't happen overnight, but think globally instead of nationalistically, and encourage others to do likewise, and it'll happen some number of generations from now.

May 01 13 10:55 am Link

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GK photo

Posts: 29008

Laguna Beach, California, US

I Ference Photography wrote:
Ad hominem attacks - you're so clever.  I couldn't resize the version I had linked, but I threw a new version up on my server, clever boy.

as already mentioned, you could just link it, but i hardly think that's the effect you're going for, correct?

May 01 13 10:57 am Link

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B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

Who cares? It's just a piece of material.

I really don't understand why Americans get so worked up over this. If somebody was to take a Union Jack and burn it or wrap it around a huge phallus, or any other crazy 'disrespectful' thing I wouldn't give a damn. It's a piece of material FFS!




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

May 01 13 10:59 am Link

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I Ference Photography

Posts: 1158

Rochester, New York, US

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Who cares? It's just a piece of material.

I really don't understand why Americans get so worked up over this. If somebody was to take a Union Jack and burn it or wrap it around a huge phallus, or any other crazy 'disrespectful' thing I wouldn't give a damn. It's a piece of material FFS!

This.

May 01 13 11:00 am Link

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GK photo

Posts: 29008

Laguna Beach, California, US

i don't think anyone is getting offended other than by the size of the photo.

May 01 13 11:05 am Link

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sdgillis

Posts: 2458

Portland, Oregon, US

ya really important to respect a symbol now commonly made in China.

May 01 13 11:05 am Link

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Andialu

Posts: 14029

San Pedro, California, US

GK photo wrote:
i don't think anyone is getting offended other than by the size of the photo.

Don't burst his bubble. Let him think he's being a provocateur. lol

May 01 13 11:06 am Link