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Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

Browsing through the member database, I was disappointed to see how few silver haired models are listed on MM.
What's going on here folks?
Albeit idealized, modeling should be a reflection of society.
Where are the 50+ models?

Why is there such a lack of models from that age-group?

May 02 13 01:45 pm Link

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Retiredmodel

Posts: 7884

Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom

MnPhoto wrote:
Browsing through the member database, I was disappointed to see how few silver haired models are listed on MM.
What's going on here folks?
Albeit idealized, modeling should be a reflection of society.
Where are the 50+ models?

I know a number of them in London and know there to be some in NY too. However you are lilely to have to go through an Agency because sites on the net for model port hosting attract people who have very specific ideas about what a model should be. If we are thirty plus and not 5ft 11" or have 36DD we shouldn't be modelling according to some. Thankfully the 'real world' has a broader definition. It is indeed a shame that is not reflected here.

May 02 13 01:56 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

Eliza C wrote:
I know a number of them in London and know there to be some in NY too. However you are lilely to have to go through an Agency because sites on the net for model port hosting attract people who have very specific ideas about what a model should be. If we are thirty plus and not 5ft 11" or have 36DD we shouldn't be modelling according to some. Thankfully the 'real world' has a broader definition. It is indeed a shame that is not reflected here.

Hi Eliza,
There are plenty of commercial models in the industry. I am just disappointed to see that MM does not seem to appeal to that demographic. From a Commercial Photography perspective, it isn't all about T&A, but that seems to be good enough to make the website appeal to the more active online demographic.

Take for example the 50+ age range with gray hair - it's a handful.

Modelwire, which is tied into the "brick and mortar" modeling agencies, lists hundreds of commercial models in this age range. Those agencies are my main source for commercial models in all age groups.

I just wonder if Model Mayhem has a plan to expand its appeal, so that there is less of a focus on fine art, and more on general commercial photography.

May 02 13 02:02 pm Link

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L A U B E N H E I M E R

Posts: 8797

Seattle, Washington, US

MnPhoto wrote:
Browsing through the member database, I was disappointed to see how few silver haired models are listed on MM.
What's going on here folks?
Albeit idealized, modeling should be a reflection of society.
Where are the 50+ models?

Why is there such a lack of models from that age-group?

why are only the 50+ models considered "natural"?

May 02 13 02:19 pm Link

Model

Retiredmodel

Posts: 7884

Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom

MnPhoto wrote:

Hi Eliza,
There are plenty of commercial models in the industry. I am just disappointed to see that MM does not seem to appeal to that demographic. From a Commercial Photography perspective, it isn't all about T&A, but that seems to be good enough to make the website appeal to the more active online demographic.

Take for example the 50+ age range with gray hair - it's a handful.

Modelwire, which is tied into the "brick and mortar" modeling agencies, lists hundreds of commercial models in this age range. Those agencies are my main source for commercial models in all age groups.

I just wonder if Model Mayhem has a plan to expand its appeal.

I think the problem is that a lot of character and commerical older models that have joined here have had little feedback and probably would get flak if they posted in forums. However I know that several make a decent living that I have worked with. One chap is in his eighties for example and is used in may tv ads and movies as an extra plus does life modelling. Well in demand. What would the reaction be by many of those here of he joined MM? Ridicule probably. Because they are looking for t&a or 7ft tall 18 year olds.

May 02 13 02:24 pm Link

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T A Y L O R

Posts: 2977

Austin, Texas, US

Mark Laubenheimer wrote:

why are only the 50+ models considered "natural"?

For real.

May 02 13 02:25 pm Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5461

London, England, United Kingdom

Eliza C wrote:

I know a number of them in London and know there to be some in NY too. However you are lilely to have to go through an Agency because sites on the net for model port hosting attract people who have very specific ideas about what a model should be. If we are thirty plus and not 5ft 11" or have 36DD we shouldn't be modelling according to some. Thankfully the 'real world' has a broader definition. It is indeed a shame that is not reflected here.

Haha, it's true. New models often have to endure a bunch of criticism from a small sector about how they are too short/fat/old/ugly to be a model so they should FO. Which makes it a lot more difficult for the people who actually want to hire girls like that, because they do exist.

I noticed i started getting it about 6 years after i started modelling and after i had already been a full-time professional model. That's why you need a thick skin and a strong bullshit detector to do well on these sites.

May 02 13 02:25 pm Link

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a raw muse

Posts: 3196

Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

"Natural" is not something easy to define. Everyone's opinion is different. Post a casting with a clear definition of what you're looking for, approach people on the street with your business card or portfolio.

May 02 13 02:32 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

JadeDRed wrote:
Haha, it's true. New models often have to endure a bunch of criticism from a small sector about how they are too short/fat/old/ugly to be a model so they should FO. Which makes it a lot more difficult for the people who actually want to hire girls like that, because they do exist.

I noticed i started getting it about 6 years after i started modelling and after i had already been a full-time professional model. That's why you need a thick skin and a strong bullshit detector to do well on these sites.

Agreed!
By the way, I purposely used "natural" as a  double entendre (or triple) in order to attract the three audiences that would be interested in the topic, because I think they are relevant to the conversation.

May 02 13 02:33 pm Link

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JessieLeigh

Posts: 2048

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I expected this thread to be about boobs. sad

May 02 13 02:33 pm Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5461

London, England, United Kingdom

JessieLeigh wrote:
I expected this thread to be about boobs. sad

We all did, *pats shoulder*, we all did...

May 02 13 02:35 pm Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5461

London, England, United Kingdom

JessieLeigh wrote:
I expected this thread to be about boobs. sad

We all did, *pats shoulder*, we all did...

May 02 13 02:35 pm Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5461

London, England, United Kingdom

JessieLeigh wrote:
I expected this thread to be about boobs. sad

We all did, *pats shoulder*, we all did...

May 02 13 02:35 pm Link

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Retiredmodel

Posts: 7884

Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom

JadeDRed wrote:
Haha, it's true. New llamas often have to endure a bunch of criticism from a small sector about how they are too short/fat/old/ugly to be a llama so they should FO. Which makes it a lot more difficult for the people who actually want to hire girls like that, because they do exist.

I noticed i started getting it about 6 years after i started llamaling and after i had already been a full-time professional llama. That's why you need a thick skin and a strong bullshit detector to do well on these sites.

Very true.

May 02 13 02:38 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

Natural boobs...
Natural hair (as in color, or pubes)
Au natural

It means so many things to everyone.

May 02 13 02:46 pm Link

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Connie Berchem

Posts: 10

Asheville, North Carolina, US

I'm 60 yrs young and I'm on MM

Connie

May 02 13 02:57 pm Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 28013

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Connie Berchem wrote:
I'm 60 yrs young and I'm on MM

Connie

There are also other older models here.

May 02 13 03:11 pm Link

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Nathine

Posts: 144

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

There are some 40+ models on the site.

May 02 13 05:25 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

The issue is not that there aren't any models with naturally gray hair.

The fact is that they are overwhelmingly under represented, and unlike the male models, the female models are more likely to color their hair, in order to appear younger, thus reducing the website's appeal for a very real demographic in commercial modeling.

May 02 13 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

Connie Berchem wrote:
I'm 60 yrs young and I'm on MM

Connie

You are a beautiful 60 yrs young, Connie.

May 02 13 06:14 pm Link

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Model

Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

I'm naturally 22.
All natural age.

May 02 13 06:15 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

Damianne wrote:
I'm naturally 22.
All natural age.

Your age group is very popular on MM.

May 03 13 03:26 pm Link

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IDiivil

Posts: 4128

Los Angeles, California, US

While there are women of the age group you are looking for on MM, I think it would not hurt to look around your community as well for what you are seeking. The few women I know of that age group who are OK with art/modeling nude/modeling at all/etc are not signed up to MM. From what I know of them, they do not really use the internet in that manner. They more often frequent art drawing classes.

May 03 13 03:35 pm Link

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M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

MnPhoto wrote:
Browsing through the member database, I was disappointed to see how few silver haired models are listed on MM.
What's going on here folks?
Albeit idealized, modeling should be a reflection of society.
Where are the 50+ models?

Why is there such a lack of models from that age-group?

I guess I never got the memo that modeling should be a reflection of society. Wal-Mart is a reflection of society but I don't want models who look like Wal-Mart patrons.

There aren't a lot of 50+ models on MM for the same reason you won't find as many 50+ models at any modeling agency...because there are just fewer of them.

May 03 13 03:36 pm Link

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M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

MnPhoto wrote:
Your age group is very popular on MM.

Are you seriously curious why there are more models in the 18-22 demographic than 50+?

No, 18-22 isn't just "popular" on MM. THAT is the age range, and younger, of models throughout the world. Surely that doesn't come as a huge revelation?

Do you peruse a VS catalog and wonder, "hmm...why are there no models in the 50-64 age group?" Do you walk across a college campus and think, "Where are all the elderly students?"

I swear I must be going crazy lol.

May 03 13 03:40 pm Link

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MoRina

Posts: 5828

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

May 03 13 03:44 pm Link

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CRIMSON REIGN

Posts: 813

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I have a few naturally gray strands at 42...lol!

May 03 13 04:31 pm Link

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Jessie Yang

Posts: 9

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I am all natural! smile

May 03 13 05:27 pm Link

Photographer

Chicchowmein

Posts: 14486

Palm Beach, Florida, US

There is not a lot of paid commercial work on MM.

Modelwire is a serious industry site. MM is not.

If you are looking for a great model with natural silver hair in the florida market I know if one but you are not going to find her on MM.

May 03 13 05:43 pm Link

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Matt Knowles

Posts: 3563

Ferndale, California, US

JessieLeigh wrote:
I expected this thread to be about boobs. sad

Or tats. Or both.

May 03 13 05:50 pm Link

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MatureModelMM

Posts: 1187

Detroit, Michigan, US

I'm here. Natural in every way, including my hair color. And 60 years old. I have been modelling for artists and photographers for over 25 years.  I might even consider doing commercial work under the right conditions.

May 04 13 05:50 pm Link

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salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

JessieLeigh wrote:
I expected this thread to be about boobs. sad

As long as we talk about women who are over 50, we can talk about boobs without threadjacking.

I'll start. Sofia Loren is natural. She has modeled. She has great boobs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Sophia_Loren_in_London.jpg/220px-Sophia_Loren_in_London.jpg

May 04 13 05:59 pm Link

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salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

MnPhoto wrote:
Browsing through the member database, I was disappointed to see how few silver haired models are listed on MM.
What's going on here folks?
Albeit idealized, modeling should be a reflection of society.
Where are the 50+ models?

Why is there such a lack of models from that age-group?

Seriously though, how does 'natural' equal 'over 50?'

May 04 13 06:00 pm Link

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Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

MnPhoto wrote:

Your age group is very popular on MM.

Therefore I must be unnatural

May 04 13 06:08 pm Link

Photographer

B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

Maybe we need another website called MATURE MAYHEM? big_smile

Seriously, this is probably the most ridiculous rant I've heard this year.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

May 04 13 06:15 pm Link

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Top Gun Digital

Posts: 1273

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

MnPhoto wrote:
Browsing through the member database, I was disappointed to see how few silver haired models are listed on MM.
What's going on here folks?
Albeit idealized, modeling should be a reflection of society.
Where are the 50+ models?

Why is there such a lack of models from that age-group?

The simple reality is that most photographers are just looking to shoot T&A and they prefer younger women.

About 5 years ago I went to a workshop in Jersey that was held every couple of weeks.  The organizer typically hired models in their early twenties.  On this particular occasion there was one model that was about 50.  The majority of the photographers complained about having such an old model.  The irony is that the photographers that were complaining were for the most part older than the model.

May 04 13 06:31 pm Link

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Mizz Amanda Marie

Posts: 1570

Chicago, Illinois, US

MnPhoto wrote:
The issue is not that there aren't any models with naturally gray hair.

The fact is that they are overwhelmingly under represented, and unlike the male models, the female models are more likely to color their hair, in order to appear younger, thus reducing the website's appeal for a very real demographic in commercial modeling.

I feel that most women don't want gray hair. They'd rather retain the hair color that was once natural to them. You're not going to see alot of models with gray hair in part because you're not going to see many women with gray hair. They exist and you'll see them from time to time but its not a majority.

May 04 13 06:48 pm Link

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Mizz Amanda Marie

Posts: 1570

Chicago, Illinois, US

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Maybe we need another website called MATURE MAYHEM? big_smile

Seriously, this is probably the most ridiculous rant I've heard this year.

+1

May 04 13 06:49 pm Link

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P I X I E

Posts: 35329

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Natural... You mean models who don't shave at all? Because THAT is natural.

May 04 13 07:29 pm Link

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Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7252

New York, New York, US

Try omp...

May 04 13 07:37 pm Link