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Photographer

CrowX2M

Posts: 13

Odenton, Maryland, US

Hey guys, so I'm really new to the whole photography scene, was just handed a camera last year and told to have fun with it. I've been trying to find some work as I've gotten a bit better than your average person with a DSLR, but I keep coming across the situations where:

A: Photoshoot happens with Models for a company but Photographers have to pay to go to the shoot.

B: Models want to be payed.


I'm not really sure, but most photography studios I know GET paid to take pictures of models, not the reverse. Albeit, they're more of Family Photography type studios. I'm guessing it would have to be like Photographer pays for Model, then sells pictures to certain types of companies to use? Can anyone clarify?

May 03 13 06:12 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12825

Atlanta, Georgia, US

A doesn't make sense, if a legit company is having a photoshoot for something then they commission a photographer.  Sounds more like a group shoot or event, nothing worng with that to build your book.

As far as photographers getting paid, yes we do.  The question is paid for what?  Do you have a portfolio showing what you can do?  If not then you need one and rest assured it costs money at first.  Many of us went to school to learn, it cost money and that didn't cover our projects - those cost us more.  Even if we found another student to be our subject we had at least film costs.  So it's far better these day really.

In the end if you can't or won't invested in your career and work, how can you expect anyone else to?

May 03 13 06:30 pm Link

Photographer

Carle Photography

Posts: 9227

Oakland, California, US

Think of it like Fishing...
There are those that get paid to fish, they are fisherman, they go out, catch fish, then sell them.

Then there are those that pay for the hobby on the cheap, they buy a few poles, lake fees, drink beer catch a few and enjoy a meal every once in awhile.

Then you have the fancy fishermen who spend thousands on custom gear and shiny gadgets, and own their own boats, they might have a sponsorship and cover a few costs.

There are also classes for those that want to learn more.

Some pay, others get paid, yet they all own fishing poles.

May 03 13 06:47 pm Link

Photographer

CrowX2M

Posts: 13

Odenton, Maryland, US

Death of Field wrote:
Think of it like Fishing...
There are those that get paid to fish, they are fisherman, they go out, catch fish, then sell them.

Then there are those that pay for the hobby on the cheap, they buy a few poles, lake fees, drink beer catch a few and enjoy a meal every once in awhile.

Then you have the fancy fishermen who spend thousands on custom gear and shiny gadgets, and own their own boats, they might have a sponsorship and cover a few costs.

There are also classes for those that want to learn more.

Some pay, others get paid, yet they all own fishing poles.

That was amazing. Seeing as I fish, it makes total sense.

Yeah I've put out some money and I plan on putting out more, I just wanted to make sure I'm not being taken advantage of by the same company/people having me pay them constantly for work.

May 03 13 07:30 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22603

Salem, Oregon, US

i've never been paid by a model for a model shoot. i am going to be shooting a wedding for one and will be charging for that.

May 03 13 08:02 pm Link

Photographer

Carle Photography

Posts: 9227

Oakland, California, US

CrowX2M wrote:
That was amazing. Seeing as I fish, it makes total sense.
Yeah I've put out some money and I plan on putting out more, I just wanted to make sure I'm not being taken advantage of by the same company/people having me pay them constantly for work.

There are several markets, you have to learn what ones pay and what ones don't.

There is a bikini company Ujena that has a marketing plan business plan of hosting "workshops" and "shoots" and photographes pay to attend and shoot the catalogue.
That is THEIR business, they don't hire photographers for their catalogue.
If they DO hire one, it is after 100+ others have paid them.

Yet the guy down the street who owns a bakery might hire you for images for his bakery.

A well known "pay only" model on MM will charge you.
A non well known non MM woman who wants to be pretty for a day will pay you.

Learn who you pay and who pays you.
Too many people are confused about this.

May 03 13 09:27 pm Link

Photographer

Jonathan Valor

Posts: 10

Pleasanton, California, US

CrowX2M wrote:
Hey guys, so I'm really new to the whole photography scene, was just handed a camera last year and told to have fun with it. I've been trying to find some work as I've gotten a bit better than your average person with a DSLR, but I keep coming across the situations where:

A: Photoshoot happens with Models for a company but Photographers have to pay to go to the shoot.

B: Models want to be payed.


I'm not really sure, but most photography studios I know GET paid to take pictures of models, not the reverse. Albeit, they're more of Family Photography type studios. I'm guessing it would have to be like Photographer pays for Model, then sells pictures to certain types of companies to use? Can anyone clarify?

If you are just starting out I suggest focusing on creating a portfolio that stands out.  At some point your photos will speak for themselves and models may contact you for paid shoots to update their portfolios.  Doing TF shoots and group shoots are a good way to increase your book early on.  I still enjoy the occassional TF shoot, but if you want to make it as a full time photographer you'll need to eventually get paid.  Best of luck!

May 04 13 08:25 am Link

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Bob Helm Photography

Posts: 18210

Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US

Dean Collins, great photographer and teacher, used to say you need two things to be a professional photographer...a camera and a business card. We know you have one, assume you have the other (and of course you can always borrow a camera).

Do you have a solid plan of what you want to do. Do your skills and portfolio support the plan. If not make it so.

On MM you have three types of people , those who want to be but do nothing to accomplish anything, people who will take the right offer at the right time..maybe, and those that want to succeed (whatever that is to them). You need to make yourself and your offer attractive to models that really want to work and you want them to be people you can learn from (successful models). Sometimes it pays off to partner with MUA in your area.

If what you are doing is not getting the results you want figure out why and change things until they do.

Good luck. Oh yea there is a lot of competition trying to do the same thing.

May 05 13 09:31 am Link