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Jen Brook

Posts: 8

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

I've just compiled ten tips on how I get social media to work for me, specifically Facebook as I get most of my work from there. I thought I'd share it here in the hope that it might help one or two of you too. Fingers crossed it does smile

Click the link below to see it:

http://jenbrookmodel.tumblr.com/post/50 … n-facebook

May 13 13 04:29 pm Link

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KATHY JEAN

Posts: 5513

Pekin, Illinois, US

Hi, Jen, that was pretty nice of you to put all of that work into that project and share it here.  I'm enjoying reading; you write very well!

May 13 13 04:37 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18134

Albany, New York, US

I'm glad the social media thing, specifically FB, is working for you.

But statisically speaking, social media (particularly FB) are antiquated consumer platforms & have been for sometime especially if the person doesn't have any old school media outlets to broadcast or a nice chunk of change to fund such an operation.

Think about it, today the popular thing platform is FB; prior to that it was MySpace; prior to that it was Friendster; prior to that it was the Geocities DIY websites; to name just a few. They're all essentially the same thing, simply repackaged differently. Few people will admit that "social media" works is because the entities behind it & promoting it (like old media) have invested quite a bit of time & money propogating that myth. It'd hurt their creditability to say, "Whoops! We blew it."

Another reason why the value of "social media" is overstated is because of how the sites themselves generate their numbers? They have some sort of algorithim that does all the math but the websites like FB & Google+ will not discuss publicly how what goes into those numbers. The reason why they won't discuss them publicly because they fear (legitmately) entities will come up with code that artificially inflates those numbers, thus bumping them up on the public search rankings. How do you know what's working for you specifically if you don't know WHAT you're doing right?

The TRUE lesson of social media that people should take away is not to invest anything in it (whether its time, money, or effort) that you cannot afford to lose.

May 13 13 05:55 pm Link

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Will Snizek Photography

Posts: 1387

Beckley, West Virginia, US

Farenell Photography wrote:
I'm glad the social media thing, specifically FB, is working for you.

But statisically speaking, social media (particularly FB) are antiquated consumer platforms & have been for sometime especially if the person doesn't have any old school media outlets to broadcast or a nice chunk of change to fund such an operation.

Think about it, today the popular thing platform is FB; prior to that it was MySpace; prior to that it was Friendster; prior to that it was the Geocities DIY websites; to name just a few. They're all essentially the same thing, simply repackaged differently. Few people will admit that "social media" works is because the entities behind it & promoting it (like old media) have invested quite a bit of time & money propogating that myth. It'd hurt their creditability to say, "Whoops! We blew it."

Another reason why the value of "social media" is overstated is because of how the sites themselves generate their numbers? They have some sort of algorithim that does all the math but the websites like FB & Google+ will not discuss publicly how what goes into those numbers. The reason why they won't discuss them publicly because they fear (legitmately) entities will come up with code that artificially inflates those numbers, thus bumping them up on the public search rankings. How do you know what's working for you specifically if you don't know WHAT you're doing right?

The TRUE lesson of social media that people should take away is not to invest anything in it (whether its time, money, or effort) that you cannot afford to lose.

Social media marketing is not antiquated in the least bit.  I have made a lot of money from marketing work online for about a decade.  As long as you keep up with the trends and get involved in things before they even become a trend, it's a very cost effective way to market yourself or products.  It's also pretty easy to figure out what's working and what isn't by paying close attention to analytical data on your primary site. Social media marketing only has questionable value when you aren't using it to drive traffic to your primary site online.

May 13 13 06:03 pm Link

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Eva Marx

Posts: 40

West Hollywood, California, US

I have twitter, instagram, and other social medias I use for modeling, but haven't really paid much attention to FB. This is great, thank you very much for sharing! smile

May 13 13 06:17 pm Link

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Robert Randall

Posts: 13842

Chicago, Illinois, US

Farenell Photography wrote:
I'm glad the social media thing, specifically FB, is working for you.

But statisically speaking, social media (particularly FB) are antiquated consumer platforms & have been for sometime especially if the person doesn't have any old school media outlets to broadcast or a nice chunk of change to fund such an operation.

Think about it, today the popular thing platform is FB; prior to that it was MySpace; prior to that it was Friendster; prior to that it was the Geocities DIY websites; to name just a few. They're all essentially the same thing, simply repackaged differently. Few people will admit that "social media" works is because the entities behind it & promoting it (like old media) have invested quite a bit of time & money propogating that myth. It'd hurt their creditability to say, "Whoops! We blew it."

Another reason why the value of "social media" is overstated is because of how the sites themselves generate their numbers? They have some sort of algorithim that does all the math but the websites like FB & Google+ will not discuss publicly how what goes into those numbers. The reason why they won't discuss them publicly because they fear (legitmately) entities will come up with code that artificially inflates those numbers, thus bumping them up on the public search rankings. How do you know what's working for you specifically if you don't know WHAT you're doing right?

The TRUE lesson of social media that people should take away is not to invest anything in it (whether its time, money, or effort) that you cannot afford to lose.

You made up all of that, especially the reference to algorithms, and you have absolutely no idea why Google will or won't discuss anything.

http://robert-randall.com/content/

May 13 13 06:19 pm Link

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SCT Photo

Posts: 37

Long Beach, California, US

That is really good advice, thanks !

May 13 13 06:25 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18134

Albany, New York, US

Robert Randall wrote:
You made up all of that, especially the reference to algorithms, and you have absolutely no idea why Google will or won't discuss anything.

Actually no, I didn't.

Its sourced & footnoted in Social Media is Bullshit. His entire job for 2 years was researching how the social media phenonmenon orginated, list some of the popular myths behind it & how they're spread, & critiques how effective they really are & what was behind it.

Here's the author's website if you wish to read more:

http://bjmendelson.com/

...the author is one of those out-there people who posts his personal phone number & challenges you to call him if you disagree with him & have a case to make as to how social media is successful for companies. No one has successful met the challenge at any of the conferences he's been impaneled on that could prove social media by & large works.

He also post links of his other writings he that he does for tech related companies on his Twitter which can be found here:

https://twitter.com/BJMendelson

May 13 13 06:25 pm Link

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Sal W Hanna

Posts: 6629

Huntington Beach, California, US

You have been on this site for 2 years with 8 posts so I'm guessing you have focused your time elsewhere. Either way the post has great pointers and makes sense the way it was written. smile

May 13 13 06:27 pm Link

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Brian Diaz

Posts: 63192

Danbury, Connecticut, US

Farenell Photography wrote:
Actually no, I didn't.

Its sourced & footnoted in Social Media is Bullshit. His entire job for 2 years was researching how the social media phenonmenon orginated, list some of the popular myths behind it & how they're spread, & critiques how effective they really are & what was behind it.

Here's the author's website if you wish to read more:

http://bjmendelson.com/

...the author is one of those out-there people who posts his personal phone number & challenges you to call him if you disagree with him & have a case to make as to how social media is successful for companies. No one has successful met the challenge at any of the conferences he's been impaneled on that could prove social media by & large works.

He's also using social media to compile a list of people interested in buying his next self-published book.

He's not saying that social media does not contain good tools for marketing.  He's saying that many of the people selling social media marketing services are selling bullshit (something that's true of pretty much anyone selling anything).

He's saying that if you learn about social media and how it works, you can make it work for you.  If that weren't the case, he'd be unemployed.

May 13 13 06:52 pm Link

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Will Snizek Photography

Posts: 1387

Beckley, West Virginia, US

Farenell Photography wrote:

Actually no, I didn't.

Its sourced & footnoted in Social Media is Bullshit. His entire job for 2 years was researching how the social media phenonmenon orginated, list some of the popular myths behind it & how they're spread, & critiques how effective they really are & what was behind it.

Here's the author's website if you wish to read more:

http://bjmendelson.com/

...the author is one of those out-there people who posts his personal phone number & challenges you to call him if you disagree with him & have a case to make as to how social media is successful for companies. No one has successful met the challenge at any of the conferences he's been impaneled on that could prove social media by & large works.

He also post links of his other writings he that he does for tech related companies on his Twitter which can be found here:

https://twitter.com/BJMendelson

Considering I have done social media marketing for a living and have numerous friends who have made a living from it, I wouldn't spend 2 cents on this quacks books.  I've seen the data from websites I've worked for.  Social media marketing certainly works!

May 13 13 07:00 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18134

Albany, New York, US

Buggin Out Photography wrote:
Social media marketing certainly works!

Ok cool, what's your success story & how did they do it?

May 13 13 07:10 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12836

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Farenell Photography wrote:
I'm glad the social media thing, specifically FB, is working for you.

But statisically speaking, social media (particularly FB) are antiquated consumer platforms & have been for sometime especially if the person doesn't have any old school media outlets to broadcast or a nice chunk of change to fund such an operation.

Think about it, today the popular thing platform is FB; prior to that it was MySpace; prior to that it was Friendster; prior to that it was the Geocities DIY websites; to name just a few. They're all essentially the same thing, simply repackaged differently. Few people will admit that "social media" works is because the entities behind it & promoting it (like old media) have invested quite a bit of time & money propogating that myth. It'd hurt their creditability to say, "Whoops! We blew it."

Another reason why the value of "social media" is overstated is because of how the sites themselves generate their numbers? They have some sort of algorithim that does all the math but the websites like FB & Google+ will not discuss publicly how what goes into those numbers. The reason why they won't discuss them publicly because they fear (legitmately) entities will come up with code that artificially inflates those numbers, thus bumping them up on the public search rankings. How do you know what's working for you specifically if you don't know WHAT you're doing right?

The TRUE lesson of social media that people should take away is not to invest anything in it (whether its time, money, or effort) that you cannot afford to lose.

I am not sure what marketing professional is giving you advice but I would fire them and find a new firm.

As for models and social media, just ask Jessi June about the power of her 2.5 million followers on G+

May 13 13 07:11 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18134

Albany, New York, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
I am not sure what marketing professional is giving you advice but I would fire them and find a new firm.

As for models and social media, just ask Jessi June about the power of her 2.5 million followers on G+

I can tell you right now, its the internet. A nude picture will get 20x the hits/likes/rebloggs/whatever than a picture of equal quality. A picture of a female will get 15x the hits/likes/rebloggs/whatever than a picture of equal quality of a male.

Essentially, people like boobs & those who showcase them. Girls like other girls who showcase their boobs, guys like girls who showcase their boobs. Its a win-win for her. Besides just because a person has 2.5 million followers, it doesn't mean those 2.5 are actually active & thus a use to (in this case) Jessi.

Besides does anyone really use Google+? I ask this because its a Facebook knockoff. They get their numbers because (as evidenced with my own Gmail account) anyone within the Google umbrella (YouTube, Gmail, etc) automatically logs them in via their Google+ account regardless if they want to or not.

May 13 13 07:18 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12836

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Farenell Photography wrote:
I can tell you right now, its the internet. A nude picture will get 20x the hits/likes/rebloggs/whatever than a picture of equal quality. A picture of a female will get 15x the hits/likes/rebloggs/whatever than a picture of equal quality of a male.

Essentially, people like boobs & those who showcase them. Girls like other girls who showcase their boobs, guys like girls who showcase their boobs. Its a win-win for her. Besides just because a person has 2.5 million followers, it doesn't mean those 2.5 are actually active & thus a use to (in this case) Jessi.

Besides does anyone really use Google+? I ask this because its a Facebook knockoff. They get their numbers because (as evidenced with my own Gmail account) anyone within the Google umbrella (YouTube, Gmail, etc) automatically logs them in via their Google+ account regardless if they want to or not.

So what if only 10% of those followers are active, that is more eyes on her then some regional magazines.  More to the point it gets her a lot of work, so just like every major/minor company social media has to be part of your marketing plan.  If you don't like the photography/marketing example how about raising millions for the Veronica Mars project on kickstarter?  For that matter how many other projects/companies have been started via crowd sourcing?

Hell there was a recent successful presidential campaign who raised a large portion of their funding via social media and small donations

May 13 13 07:33 pm Link

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BT Imagery

Posts: 1017

Cedar Falls, Iowa, US

Farenell Photography wrote:
I'm glad the social media thing, specifically FB, is working for you.

But statisically speaking, social media (particularly FB) are antiquated consumer platforms & have been for sometime especially if the person doesn't have any old school media outlets to broadcast or a nice chunk of change to fund such an operation.

Think about it, today the popular thing platform is FB; prior to that it was MySpace; prior to that it was Friendster; prior to that it was the Geocities DIY websites; to name just a few. They're all essentially the same thing, simply repackaged differently. Few people will admit that "social media" works is because the entities behind it & promoting it (like old media) have invested quite a bit of time & money propogating that myth. It'd hurt their creditability to say, "Whoops! We blew it."

Another reason why the value of "social media" is overstated is because of how the sites themselves generate their numbers? They have some sort of algorithim that does all the math but the websites like FB & Google+ will not discuss publicly how what goes into those numbers. The reason why they won't discuss them publicly because they fear (legitmately) entities will come up with code that artificially inflates those numbers, thus bumping them up on the public search rankings. How do you know what's working for you specifically if you don't know WHAT you're doing right?

The TRUE lesson of social media that people should take away is not to invest anything in it (whether its time, money, or effort) that you cannot afford to lose.

I think this is a very misinformed opinion. Geocities DIY is not the same as Facebook. Comparing the two is ridiculous.

The only way to evaluate whether or not FB (or any marketing effort, really) is effective is to track how many dollars it's brought in versus how many have gone into it. Facebook made me nearly $10,000 in 2012 with $0.00 out of pocket expense save for my time.

May 13 13 07:43 pm Link

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Robert Randall

Posts: 13842

Chicago, Illinois, US

Farenell Photography wrote:

Actually no, I didn't.

Its sourced & footnoted in Social Media is Bullshit. His entire job for 2 years was researching how the social media phenonmenon orginated, list some of the popular myths behind it & how they're spread, & critiques how effective they really are & what was behind it.

Here's the author's website if you wish to read more:

http://bjmendelson.com/

...the author is one of those out-there people who posts his personal phone number & challenges you to call him if you disagree with him & have a case to make as to how social media is successful for companies. No one has successful met the challenge at any of the conferences he's been impaneled on that could prove social media by & large works.

He also post links of his other writings he that he does for tech related companies on his Twitter which can be found here:

https://twitter.com/BJMendelson

I was conducting an experiment using social media, I figured challenging you would draw in some flies. I posted my web site link in my challenge post, and Statcounter shows 31 hits on my web site directly linked to this thread. I have no idea what the long term effects of those hits will be, but the fun part is the potential of those hits came at the expense of your posit.

Fun stuff!

http://robert-randall.com/content/

May 13 13 07:49 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18134

Albany, New York, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
So what if only 10% of those followers are active, that is more eyes on her then some regional magazines.  More to the point it gets her a lot of work, so just like every major/minor company social media has to be part of your marketing plan.

If she's found a business model that works for her, then by all means good for her & don't let any of my thoughts stop her.

By & large, I still stand by my belief not to spend any resources on "social media" than that to which one cannot afford to lose. Whether those resources is time spent, capital, or whatever is irrelevant.

AJScalzitti wrote:
If you don't like the photography/marketing example how about raising millions for the Veronica Mars project on kickstarter?

The Veronica Mars project is a terrible example of a social media success story. Veronica Mars had actress Kristen Bell behind it. She's the actress with an already established fan base, its sometimes referred to as "star power".

She's the uncredited voice of "Gossip Girl" as well as been in Russel Brand/Jonas Hill flick "Get Him to the Greek". Same goes for starring opposite Josh Duhamel in "When in Rome". Same with being the title character "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" opposite Jason Segel (of "How I Met Your Mother" fame). Same with starring in the NBC cult hit "Heroes".


AJScalzitti wrote:
For that matter how many other projects/companies have been started via crowd sourcing?

Crowd sourcing is vastly different citing "social media" as the reasons for its success. Yes, they can intersect but please don't confuse the two.

The "social media" (in most case) is like a pastor preaching to the choir. If you want to broadcast alone, that's great. But its ultimately a passive experience. It takes a lot more effort to persuade people to actually do something about an issue in the "real" world, even if its like donating a simple $1 for some fundraiser.


AJScalzitti wrote:
Hell there was a recent successful presidential campaign who raised a large portion of their funding via social media and small donations.

I assume you're referring to the Obama campaign.

You are correct they raked in a shit-ton of money. But to say it was BECAUSE of social media is quite laughable. Remember there was a political machine behind them. Its a mix of old school $10,000/plate dinner fundraisers, milking the donor list they still had on file from the 2008 & 2010 campaigns, generating excitement with new people through (again) old school stump speeches to a generally receptive audience.

His people are not idiots. They were just effective at campaigning & using the new media available to them, as the perceptive political analysis Karl Rove gave W in 2000 & 2004, & as savy as the Bill Clinton team bypassing traditional media outlets in favor of "new" (to us) outlets like Larry King.

May 13 13 08:00 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18134

Albany, New York, US

Biggs Photography wrote:
I think this is a very misinformed opinion. Geocities DIY is not the same as Facebook. Comparing the two is ridiculous.

You're correct. They're not exactly the same.

They were in the same network umbrella within & allowed you to browse sites within that umbrella. Its much the same person's site like Tumblr is different but offers site suggestions (or whatever they call it) that allows you to browse another site within that same network.

Same how sites like Blogspot/Wordpress are like LiveJournal before it, just like Xanga was before them both (or something like that). They're all basically the same thing, just repackaged differently.

Or phrased in a different way, its like Hollywood constantly producing "the Great Gatsby". Whether its the current Leo DiCaprio version or 2000 version with Paul Rudd & Mira Sorvino or the 1974 version with Robert Redford & Mia Farrow. Its the same dang stuff, simply represented to a different audience.

May 13 13 08:11 pm Link

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Solas

Posts: 9537

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

leave it to photographers find some reason to turn a marginally constructive thread into an argument

i liked the article.

May 13 13 08:15 pm Link

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Run of the Mill

Posts: 334

Seattle, Washington, US

You guys are precious.

May 13 13 08:20 pm Link

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Miss Photog

Posts: 287

VALLEY VILLAGE, California, US

Great blog post. I agree with all points.
Nice writing style. smile

May 13 13 11:07 pm Link

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G D Peters Photography

Posts: 3230

North Platte, Nebraska, US

A very well written blog; thank you for sharing.  I do understand the exposure potential of FB for models, photographers, etc., though I just about gag at postings and comments left by the average FB member.  Demeaning, hateful remarks and poor images are not my "cup of tea".   If one does not have good constructive criticism to offer, then nothing need be said at all, IMHO!

May 14 13 12:10 am Link

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Garry k

Posts: 27267

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

"Sunday Night is Like Night "

I Like that !

Good advice

May 14 13 12:50 am Link

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Garry k

Posts: 27267

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

"Sunday Night is Like Night "

I Like that !

Good advice

May 14 13 12:50 am Link

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bobby sargent

Posts: 4159

Deming, New Mexico, US

So this is social media.  Well I am not social and I do  not trust the media.  bs

May 14 13 08:38 am Link

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MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

Farenell Photography wrote:

Actually no, I didn't.

Its sourced & footnoted in Social Media is Bullshit. His entire job for 2 years was researching how the social media phenonmenon orginated, list some of the popular myths behind it & how they're spread, & critiques how effective they really are & what was behind it.

Here's the author's website if you wish to read more:

http://bjmendelson.com/

...the author is one of those out-there people who posts his personal phone number & challenges you to call him if you disagree with him & have a case to make as to how social media is successful for companies. No one has successful met the challenge at any of the conferences he's been impaneled on that could prove social media by & large works.

He also post links of his other writings he that he does for tech related companies on his Twitter which can be found here:

https://twitter.com/BJMendelson

It's not successful for companies yet, because almost none of them have done it right. Check out what Converse has done if you want to see success. When you find it, you won't think of it as successful, but they value of their impressions was more than 90x their investment.

Social media has been very good for individuals. I know people who have careers from it, some going back to the early 90's making pages in Lynx.

May 14 13 01:25 pm Link

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MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

Brian Diaz wrote:

He's also using social media to compile a list of people interested in buying his next self-published book.

He's not saying that social media does not contain good tools for marketing.  He's saying that many of the people selling social media marketing services are selling bullshit (something that's true of pretty much anyone selling anything).

He's saying that if you learn about social media and how it works, you can make it work for you.  If that weren't the case, he'd be unemployed.

And social media has given him something to write about.

The #1 thing that goes viral is kittens. #2 is something that pisses people off - like saying "social media is bullshit!"

May 14 13 01:26 pm Link

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Patrick Walberg

Posts: 42754

Salinas, California, US

Jen Brook wrote:
I've just compiled ten tips on how I get social media to work for me, specifically Facebook as I get most of my work from there. I thought I'd share it here in the hope that it might help one or two of you too. Fingers crossed it does smile

Click the link below to see it:

http://jenbrookmodel.tumblr.com/post/50 … n-facebook

Thank you for sharing this with us!  You write well, and I appreciate it.

May 14 13 01:40 pm Link

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Patrick Walberg

Posts: 42754

Salinas, California, US

Karl Johnston wrote:
leave it to photographers find some reason to turn a marginally constructive thread into an argument

i liked the article.

Yes, does someone need to remind them that this is NOT "Soap Box?"

May 14 13 01:41 pm Link

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JessieLeigh

Posts: 2048

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I found some of this to be very helpful, thanks for posting it. And sorry that some photographers have so much spare time on their hands that they are posting again and again trying to deter people from taking your advise.

May 14 13 01:53 pm Link

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tenrocK photo

Posts: 5426

New York, New York, US

Robert Randall wrote:

I was conducting an experiment using social media, I figured challenging you would draw in some flies. I posted my web site link in my challenge post, and Statcounter shows 31 hits on my web site directly linked to this thread. I have no idea what the long term effects of those hits will be, but the fun part is the potential of those hits came at the expense of your posit.

Fun stuff!

http://robert-randall.com/content/

Score!

OP: Right on smile

May 14 13 02:22 pm Link

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J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 10331

Santa Ana, California, US

Thanks for taking the time to put this blog together.



http://www.Facebook.com/JohnAllanStudio

May 14 13 02:33 pm Link

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Brian Clark Photos

Posts: 147

Marion, Iowa, US

I always enjoy reading through advice.  If I can pick up onw small thing it is always worth the time.  Thanks to all!

May 14 13 02:45 pm Link

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Robert Randall

Posts: 13842

Chicago, Illinois, US

A Statcounter update!

The hits on my web site directly attributable to this thread are now at 101. Because some people are clicking the links from static IP sites, I'm further able to follow the genesis of sub-clicks. The site can only provide an estimate these clicks, but they seem to be in the neighborhood of 200 or so. Should any of these sub-clicks turn out to be an art director I've never worked with, I would say this social media experiment is a success.

http://www.robert-randall.com/content/

May 16 13 10:51 am Link

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_Scarlett

Posts: 27

Tampa, Florida, US

Great tips! Thanks for posting wink Consistency is so important and I love your tip about posting one pic at a time so they are more visible.

Jan 12 14 01:23 pm Link

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Fotografica Gregor

Posts: 4122

Alexandria, Virginia, US

I get a healthy percentage of my commercial work and also find many valuable assets for editorial work through my facebook page -   your tips are just fine - but optimizing how you promote your page is critical -  I am on my way to 1000 likes *today* on my page by careful targeting -   

the more support my page has, the more people see my work, the more interest I get from publishers as well....

Jan 12 14 01:36 pm Link

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LightDreams

Posts: 314

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

[EDIT] on reflection, I've removed this as it was way too specific on tracked sales results involving my larger corporate clients social media results (after massive investments of people and money). That doesn't mean it might not be appropriate for other types of businesses. [/EDIT]

Jan 12 14 02:59 pm Link

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Solas

Posts: 9537

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

big_smile

Jan 12 14 03:09 pm Link

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Robert Lynch

Posts: 2484

Bowie, Maryland, US

bobby sargent wrote:
So this is social media.  Well I am not social and I do  not trust the media.  bs

Then please explain the 4,147 posts on MM as of this date.

Jan 12 14 03:12 pm Link