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Photos by Lorrin

Posts: 6988

Eugene, Oregon, US

That Photoshop is required for.

Can Lightroom do basic retouch of models faces and skin.

May 19 13 07:23 pm Link

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J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 10330

Santa Ana, California, US

I guess it depends upon the purpose of your photos.
For me, LR can't do micro d&b for instance and also a lot of the more tedious healing and cloning. The little bit of healing LR can do, is fairly clumsy in comparison, more suited for taking a piece of sensor dust out.

May 19 13 07:30 pm Link

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R Michael Walker

Posts: 11986

Costa Mesa, California, US

Lorin Edmonds wrote:
That Photoshop is required for.

Can Lightroom do basic retouch of models faces and skin.

Layers and High Pass. I can go on but that enough for me. Oh, and Black borders on the final image.

May 19 13 07:32 pm Link

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Camerosity

Posts: 5317

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

In addition, LR won't let you create layers. What you do in LR is non-destructive, to the extent that if you're working in RAW you can reset the image and start over. But since there are no layers, you can't delete or modify a layer or layer mask.

May 19 13 07:33 pm Link

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SYCF

Posts: 276

Los Angeles, California, US

Layers is the number one differences for me. It can do basic retouch using spot removal and brushes for burn & dodge effect.

May 19 13 07:34 pm Link

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still-photography

Posts: 1363

Bothell, Washington, US

CMYK

May 19 13 07:36 pm Link

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Jim Lafferty

Posts: 1948

Brooklyn, New York, US

Layer masks. Channel masks.

May 19 13 07:59 pm Link

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Beyond Boudoir

Posts: 317

Portland, Oregon, US

Liquefy! Sometimes a Photoshoot boob job can be a wonderful thing.

May 19 13 08:14 pm Link

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L A U B E N H E I M E R

Posts: 8795

Seattle, Washington, US

Lorin Edmonds wrote:
That Photoshop is required for.

Can Lightroom do basic retouch of models faces and skin.

yes. all of my work is done in lightroom.

May 19 13 08:16 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 2643

Glens Falls, New York, US

As you're probably noticing, most of the things Lightroom lacks are the 'final editing' type things.  It's also debatable whether or not Photoshop has better printer drivers, but since a lot of people that are really serious about printing use third-party drivers, that may not matter much.

Personally, I use Lightroom for just about everything.  Once I've narrowed a shoot down to a couple of images, that's where Photoshop comes in.  As others have said, Lightroom does most all of the editing that Photoshop does, but in a much more cumbersome manner.

If I could only own one of them, it would unquestionably be Lightroom.  Making my life easier is a lot more important to me than how much I can do to individual photos.

May 19 13 08:19 pm Link

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Select Models

Posts: 36230

Upland, California, US

Beyond Boudoir wrote:
Liquefy! Sometimes a Photoshoot boob job can be a wonderful thing.

True... but I can accomplish the same thing on Photobrush (Liquid Warp/free download at www.mediachance.com for 30 days/less than $50 to buy) and I don't have to spend $500 on Photoshop and now make monthly payments to do it... borat

May 19 13 08:39 pm Link

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Gary Melton

Posts: 6395

Dallas, Texas, US

LR is nothing more than an alternate interface for the Adobe RAW converter (and not a good alternative IMHO).  It doesn't even BEGIN to do a fraction of what can be done in PS...beginning with, most importantly, LAYERS.

May 19 13 08:54 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 2643

Glens Falls, New York, US

Select Models wrote:

True... but I can accomplish the same thing on Photobrush (Liquid Warp/free download at www.mediachance.com for 30 days/less than $50 to buy) and I don't have to spend $500 on Photoshop and now make monthly payments to do it... borat

Photoshop is $500 OR a monthly payment.  Or if you find somebody with a student ID really fast, you can get it for something like $180, depending on what discount that school qualifies for.

May 19 13 08:55 pm Link

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Select Models

Posts: 36230

Upland, California, US

Zack Zoll wrote:

Photoshop is $500 OR a monthly payment.  Or if you find somebody with a student ID really fast, you can get it for something like $180, depending on what discount that school qualifies for.

What your recommending here is falsifying one's identification to secure a discount on software (piracy pure and simple).  That's ILLEGAL and it's an act that can get banned from this site... wink

May 19 13 09:04 pm Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10557

Gatineau, Quebec, Canada

Select Models wrote:

What your recommending here is falsifying one's identification to secure a discount on software (piracy pure and simple).  That's ILLEGAL and it's an act that can get banned from this site... wink

not only that but its not even accurate.  I  actually qualify so I checked.  Student/education price is $360 get it while it lasts.

May 19 13 09:06 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 2643

Glens Falls, New York, US

Select Models wrote:
What your recommending here is falsifying one's identification to secure a discount on software (piracy pure and simple).  That's ILLEGAL and it's an act that can get banned from this site... wink

Noted.  I will no longer mention it.  Although, I do know a number of people that signed up for a single Photo or Business course at a community college just so they could get their ID card and get a discount.  But since we're all-Cloud soon, the OP probably won't have time to do that.

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
not only that but its not even accurate.  I  actually qualify so I checked.  Student/education price is $360 get it while it lasts.

It depends on what discount tier your school qualifies for.  I got the entire Master Collection for around $540, so I must have qualified for a better discount.  I also used a faculty ID (yes, my own smile), and that probably helped too.  I don't remember exactly what Photoshop itself was going for; I guessed based on the cost of the whole package.

May 20 13 05:32 am Link

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ontherocks

Posts: 22618

Salem, Oregon, US

i switched to aperture because it has a decent retouch/clone brush along with a skin smoothing brush. i can get a lot done in aperture but sometimes you need photoshop (liquify for one thing).

May 20 13 07:12 am Link

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CP_

Posts: 310

Seattle, Washington, US

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
not only that but its not even accurate.  I  actually qualify so I checked.  Student/education price is $360 get it while it lasts.

Zack Zoll wrote:
It depends on what discount tier your school qualifies for.  I got the entire Master Collection for around $540, so I must have qualified for a better discount.  I also used a faculty ID (yes, my own smile), and that probably helped too.  I don't remember exactly what Photoshop itself was going for; I guessed based on the cost of the whole package.

I got it through my institution for $200. And it was Design Standard suite, so it included PS, Illustrator, and Acrobat Pro.

May 20 13 11:47 am Link

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B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

I use LR4 for RAW conversions, simple spot removal and basic local adjustments - often that's enough.

If I need to do extensive skin or hair work, liquify or detailed D&B then I export the file into PSE9 (which I only really bought for the context aware healing brush) and do it there.

Final adjustments of contrast, sharpening, addition of grain, exporting to JPEG etc. are all performed in LR, either on the RAW file or the PSD if I created one.



Just my $0.02

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Stefano

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May 20 13 12:05 pm Link

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liddellphoto

Posts: 1801

London, England, United Kingdom

Any heavy pixel editing really. Liquify, content aware fill, cloning etc. and of course frequency separation techniques. It is good for raw conversions and most 'normal' photography but for any heavy editing it isn't the right tool.

May 20 13 01:24 pm Link

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Rich Arnold Photography

Posts: 941

Los Angeles, California, US

Lorin Edmonds wrote:
That Photoshop is required for.

Can Lightroom do basic retouch of llamas faces and skin.

On top of layers and for me, better retouching tools, content aware fills is BIG. Even LR 5 will not be content aware.

May 20 13 01:47 pm Link

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L A U B E N H E I M E R

Posts: 8795

Seattle, Washington, US

i think some people are underestimating the power of working on raw data before exporting to photoshop.

May 20 13 03:08 pm Link

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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 18024

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2008/04/Car_Wash_Truck.jpg

Lightroom is kind of car wash.  It'll clean and shine many cars quickly and efficiently.






Photoshop is like a car detailer.  He has the tools and equipment to clean each individual wheel spoke, the stain in the upholstery, and even get rid of chips and scratches in the paint.

http://www.ansautodetail.com/images/complete-detail.jpg



With that said, most car detailers put the vehicle in the car wash before bringing it to their own stall to begin the detailing work.  The two work very well together.

May 20 13 03:32 pm Link

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all_names_are_taken

Posts: 337

Ankeny, Iowa, US

On CS6 student -- can I buy it now and activate it next time I enroll?  My most recent ID is from undergrad...

May 20 13 03:44 pm Link

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Gary Melton

Posts: 6395

Dallas, Texas, US

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2008/04/Car_Wash_Truck.jpg

Lightroom is kind of car wash.  It'll clean and shine many cars quickly and efficiently.






Photoshop is like a car detailer.  He has the tools and equipment to clean each individual wheel spoke, the stain in the upholstery, and even get rid of chips and scratches in the paint.

http://www.ansautodetail.com/images/complete-detail.jpg



With that said, most car detailers put the vehicle in the car wash before bringing it to their own stall to begin the detailing work.  The two work very well together.

Really a pretty decent analogy...HOWEVER...LR does not do anything that you can't do in PhotoShop ACR - and IMHO - anything you can do in LR can be done EASIER, QUICKER and MORE ACCURATELY in PhotoShop ACR.

I have LR and I'm sorry I wasted my money on it.  I tried using it for quite some time, but finally came to the conclusions I just mentioned in the paragraph just above this one.

May 20 13 04:03 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 2643

Glens Falls, New York, US

all_names_are_taken wrote:
On CS6 student -- can I buy it now and activate it next time I enroll?  My most recent ID is from undergrad...

Nope.  You need a email a scan of your ID or recent transcripts to the seller to get the educational copy.  Once you have the copy, they don't check your ID again.  Some institutions date their ID cards, and some don't ... so you may or may not be able to use your undergrad ID.  If it was from the last few years, I'd give it a try.  What's the worst that could happen?  You're no worse off than if you hadn't tried.

Gary Melton wrote:
Really a pretty decent analogy...HOWEVER...LR does not do anything that you can't do in PhotoShop ACR - and IMHO - anything you can do in LR can be done EASIER, QUICKER and MORE ACCURATELY in PhotoShop ACR.

I have LR and I'm sorry I wasted my money on it.  I tried using it for quite some time, but finally came to the conclusions I just mentioned in the paragraph just above this one.

I very much disagree.  It all comes down to how your brain is wired, and how you work.  I've been editing RAW files since came out CS2, and I didn't get Lightroom until right before LR3 dropped.  It took me about a month until I was working faster with LR than with ACR.  I still use both (we don't use LR where I teach, so I need to be familiar with both), and I still find LR to be much faster for my working style.

There are also some side benefits as well.  ACR allows you to open multiple RAW files at once, but then it becomes much more cumbersome.  If you need to make 50 photos match, LR is a lot easier.

Also, the fact that ACR is more accurate is sometimes a bad thing.  When converting to black and white, ACR's more specific colour selections are more likely to produce edge halos than LR, and I find LR's black and white conversions to generally look more smooth and even.

I also seem to recall one of them being slightly better and noise reduction and the other being slightly better at sharpening ... but since many third-party plug-ins do both of those things better anyway, you should really just be using the plug-ins.

But again, that's for my own personal working methods.  But I hate editing photos, and you can probably see from my portfolio that I'm a little funky in my tastes.  So, your mileage may vary.

I will say that when I'm getting ready to make exhibition-quality prints, I NEVER use Lightroom.  Not only are the PS drivers a little bit better, but the ability to colour correct using curves layers (and fine-tune based on paper choice) is something that Lightroom does not offer.  But again, your mileage may vary, because while I tend to be half-assed in my editing, I'll sit there and make a dozen prints until I get it perfect.

May 20 13 04:38 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12835

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Lightroom is a tool for photographers to edit their work, all the tasks we did in the darkroom.  Photoshop is a tool for professional retocuhing, traditionally not something the photographer did (nor do many pros do today).

May 20 13 04:46 pm Link