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Who makes the photo, the model or the photogrpaher
Definitely two, no camera or photoshop in the world will do Jun 04 13 02:05 pm Link Jack Perno one of Chicago's best and a awesome dude was interviewed a while ago. Where he said, 'its all about the girl' https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set … 6095574893 Once you reach a certain level of skill. You need to focus on actual models. That is if you plan to visit a agency or do client fashion, commercial or advertising work. Sure talented shooters can make anyone look good but there are reasons agencies are picky. Models tend to be picky but photographers... Some of you folks get so excited that a model is willing to pop her breasts out you ignore that she looks like a Doberman. Quality or quantity. Find and show solid models. Practice with anyone but only show attractive people. Sadly sometimes there are models you just shouldn't shoot if you are aimed at or are a working pro. Jun 04 13 02:06 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: You know this isn't the best place for the truth like that... Jun 04 13 02:13 pm Link Philipe wrote: Except that it's entirely up to the photographer to capture the moment, along with everything that goes into the frame. There's the model(s), styling, background, lighting, props if any, composition, post, etc. Jun 04 13 02:15 pm Link nyk fury wrote: Or Instagram filters - then it's "art". Jun 04 13 02:40 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: ^ This guy Jun 04 13 02:48 pm Link The photographer creates the image. You are the subject of the image. That having been said, and it has been said in the thread before: "It takes two to tango." My question is; "Why does it matter?" You both have a part to play when creating a great image. Jun 04 13 02:51 pm Link If you're disconnected on my shoot you're out the door. Jun 04 13 02:52 pm Link If it's a photo of a model, it takes both - but let's look at the idea of photography - which is what "making a photo" is - collecting light on some sort of fixed medium to create an image - if a model poses perfectly all day forever a photo will not happen without a photographer - if a photographer decides to take a photo he or she can do so - literally worlds of wonderful photography - without using a model at all.... I'm a big fan of the models I work with - don't get me wrong - but your question deserves an answer that is to the point, not necessarily politically correct.... Jun 04 13 02:54 pm Link 
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica nyk fury wrote: Some simplistic and some insulting. Jun 04 13 02:55 pm Link  Jun 04 13 03:04 pm Link Gary Melton wrote: This is pretty much how I feel about it. Jun 04 13 03:13 pm Link i'll try again. it's a lot of things, a lot of variables. the same model and shooter on a different day, in different circumstances, in a different mood, may have very different results. and comparison of the differences is going to be pretty subjective. saying it's the girl, it's the guy, it's the gear, or certain percentages of each is just mental abstraction trying to fit itself on a reality which is quite a bit more complex and variable than any silly formula. one day it may be more the shooter. another day it could be more the model. even with the same model and same shooter. it's a friggin' moving target! there are more elements involved than a human mind can consciously hold in-place at the same time. Jun 04 13 03:15 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: I will have to agree to a degree Jun 04 13 03:16 pm Link Surely depends on the circumstances, genre, intentions, etc etc. I like to think a great photo pulls in all aspects to work in harmony. Jun 04 13 03:17 pm Link The model can contribute A LOT but its the photographer's creative eye (knowing when to take the shot but also when NOT to take the shot; same with knowing your exposure; same with the ideas [if any] you wish to convey) makes all the difference in the world. Jun 04 13 03:22 pm Link Both. I'm also going to say the following, though a lot of people probably won't agree with me: Great photographers should be able to make any photo beautiful, whether the model is, or isn't. Yes, it'll be harder, but even with a "non-standard" looking woman who is seen as less than pretty, is able to be captured in a beautiful way by amazing photographers, making a great photo. Though, on the over hand, you could have the world's most beautiful woman, put together with a not-so-talented photographer, and the photo won't be very good, regardless of the model. (Exactly the same with male model, just perfered to use the word woman instead of man/woman. shorter.  )Jun 04 13 03:32 pm Link ResaVictoria wrote: The photographer did not press the shutter button at the right time. Jun 04 13 03:35 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: I agree! Jun 04 13 03:38 pm Link DTNphotography wrote: It most certainly does not. Jun 04 13 03:43 pm Link If the image is of a person, I believe the best images are where the model and photographer connect. Even though photography is a visual medium, a great image comes when the emotion of an image is captured. A photographer can create an environment in the shoot where the model can project her energy and become open. That is the best image. Too many photographers have become technical and too many models have watched one too many episodes of Americas Next Top Model. In my opinion, the interplay between the model and the photog is the essence of a great shot Jun 04 13 03:48 pm Link L A U B E N H E I M E R wrote: Funny... Jun 04 13 04:07 pm Link It sounds like you had a shoot wherein you didn't connect with the photographer and you aren't happy with the result. That happens sometimes. Sometimes, if you're honest with yourself, you can tell by looking at each photo who was at "fault". It's a useful exercise and what you learn from such an exercise you can use to improve your next shoot. Jun 04 13 04:10 pm Link Chemistry or lack of can make or break a photo shoot. I have managed to still get a great shot even when I just wasn't "feeling it" with a photographer. Sometimes you have to fake it or bust your balls to get through a shoot. Jun 04 13 05:40 pm Link L A U B E N H E I M E R wrote: Exactly, the photographer Jun 04 13 05:52 pm Link In my experience it's not one or the other. Everyone involved in the shoot makes the photo a work of art. Model, photographer, wardrobe stylist, all the talent is equal and deserves credit Jun 04 13 06:58 pm Link Collaboration. Jun 04 13 07:02 pm Link Both, of course. However, the resulting images will never be consistently better than the weakest link. Stand Dean Johnson in front of Joe Schmoe with his new DSLR and 3 months' experience as a 'photographer' and you will get some crappy to average images of Dean Johnson. Stand 5'3", 140lb Jolene Schmoe from the mall in front of David Bailey and you will get some excellent but commercially unusable images of Jolene Schmoe. Put Dean Johnson and David Bailey together and magic will happen! Ash. Jun 04 13 07:15 pm Link An amazing photographer can take a photo of anything and make it great. An amazing model can make an average photographer look good but great photos can be made under any circumstance. This held true for great painters, the art was in them not in their subject. Commercially, everyone should be on their best game. Jun 04 13 07:17 pm Link The photographer. The model is a subject within the photograph. Jun 04 13 07:20 pm Link If both parties aren't on the same page this will not work. Jun 04 13 07:25 pm Link Both I just did a shoot last week with a GREAT model and we were both pleased with the images we created. However, I have done my share of shoots with other models where I didn't like any of the images we created. I don't believe it is as simple as the skill of the photographer vs. the skill of the model. I believe it is the chemistry between the photographer and model that makes all the difference. Jun 04 13 07:50 pm Link ResaVictoria wrote: Every member of the team is equally important. Everyone plays a role and the value of that role can not be taken for granted. Model, hair, makeup, photographer, wardrobe. Everyone who is there has a specific task, and they must all be at their best putting forth enough effort to reap the benefits of a successful shoot. Jun 04 13 07:56 pm Link It's 70% photographer, 30% model. ... except for the times when it's 70% model, 30% photographer. I rarely had shoots when I didn't (over)direct but there were a few shoots where the model 'carried' the session. Jun 04 13 08:09 pm Link T-D-L wrote: Your work is off the chain! key is also though you are shooting some fine women. You can't shoot tire biters and expect to produce work like you have. Look, Houdini couldn't help some of these models. That doesn't mean that talented shooters can't get usable work but its just that much harder. Lets be candid, clients could save thousands by using regular women. They don't just use agency models just because their reliable. http://models.com/rankings/ui/Top50/ These are unique women. They don't have tummies or poor teeth. They don't have pockmarked skin. These women connect with the camera and you just can't take bad shots of them. Jun 04 13 08:25 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: I'm usually self-deprecating and will defer the majority of the credit to the model lol. A good model WILL make a difference in the quality of your photos. But what I usually describe as good has just as much to do with her personality as looks...which I why I said "clicking" with the other party is an important aspect. Either way, whenever I get a good model, makeup artist, wardrobe stylist, etc...I'm always very grateful as they're a big part of the reason why I'm able to do what I do. Without them I'd be shooting shitty landscapes and my coffee or something. Jun 04 13 09:24 pm Link There are a lot of really good shooters on MM but you hurt yourself to a degree offering unlimited tests with models who just don't have it. That's fine if you have no aspirations to step up your game or approach real world clients or ad agencies or modeling agencies. If you do then learn to pick your models carefully. If you can't get good models for trade, pay. Jun 04 13 10:35 pm Link As with any relationship, the ideal is 50/50 contribution but in reality it's seldom that way. For example if a Model and a Photographer does a shoot and the split is: Photographer - location - wardrobe - pays for Stylist - pays for Model - provides grip, lighting and camera - idea concept Model - posing - look - experience and skills Does that look like a 50/50 split? As with any relationship there are times where one person is giving more than the other. This is not to say that the person that's contributing less isn't doing thier share or that their efforts aren't valued, it's just recognizing that just being there isn't representative of a 50/50 split. Jun 05 13 02:34 am Link ResaVictoria wrote: Any decent photographer can make nice photos of anyone. But that doesn't make anyone a model. Jun 05 13 02:48 am Link TEAM - Together Everyone Achieves More Jun 05 13 02:55 am Link |
