Forums > Critique > Serious Critique > Been told that my work is "porn" by a new model?!

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 663

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

Jun 12 13 12:25 am Link

Photographer

Images by MR

Posts: 8439

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Natural Means wrote:
Been told that my work is "porn" by a new model?!

And you believe everything you're told?

Jun 12 13 12:41 am Link

Photographer

trailerguy61

Posts: 12

Saffron Walden, England, United Kingdom

hahahahaha, 1st thing i`d do is check out the "porn" poster`s profile for any trace of levels beyond burkha lol, checked out your nudes section and there`s nothing I would consider goes close.
Dismiss it as a crank and move on lol.

Jun 12 13 12:50 am Link

Photographer

Revenge Photography

Posts: 1868

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

I agree with previous posts that the level of explicity is low and generally not in the porn range.

However, some of the shots could be seen as porn. Simply because they lack attention to detail. No discernable concept, poor focus, poor exposure and lighting and lack lustre posing. They look like an amateur snap of a naked chick.

Nudity doesn't necessarily equal porn, but shots with no other redeeming quality other than a naked chick, do tend to be interpreted that way by a lot of people.

Edit:
It will help to have a clear idea in your mind of what you want to achieve, if you shoot with no plan other than shoot a naked chick it will show in the final result.

Jun 12 13 01:04 am Link

Photographer

AaronPawlak

Posts: 2709

New York, New York, US

Natural Means wrote:
Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

I agree that it's porn.
I don't know when "porn" started to mean hardcore sex video,
but your photos are porn (I'm 44 years old. A Playboy is porn to me and always was)

Jun 12 13 01:16 am Link

Photographer

AaronPawlak

Posts: 2709

New York, New York, US

Natural Means wrote:
Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

No, don't be concerned.

Jun 12 13 01:18 am Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 663

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Thanks for thoughts - been a real help - I had no idea 'porn' was considered so diversely. Will sleep better.

And note the comment on work needed with respect to lighting and posing etc - happening - baby steps. smile

Jun 12 13 03:58 am Link

Photographer

David M Russell

Posts: 1183

New York, New York, US

Ask her how a Puritan got on the internet.

Your stuff isn't porn.

Jun 12 13 04:25 am Link

Model

Erica-rose

Posts: 150

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

I'm sorry, but I would consider some (not all!) of your stuff porn (soft porn) things like this... http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30856619 kind of look like stills from a porno.

Jun 12 13 04:42 am Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2345

New York, New York, US

Natural Means wrote:
Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

"For now" is key, when you have self-improvement goals.
Make sure you present your work in the manner that pleases you most.
Stay true to yourself, and disregard others' derogatory comments.

Jun 12 13 04:48 am Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 663

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

MnPhoto wrote:

"For now" is key, when you have self-improvement goals.
Make sure you present your work in the manner that pleases you most.
Stay true to yourself, and disregard others' derogatory comments.

Def-I-Nightly

Jun 12 13 05:00 am Link

Photographer

LA StarShooter

Posts: 1976

Los Angeles, California, US

MnPhoto wrote:

"For now" is key, when you have self-improvement goals.
Make sure you present your work in the manner that pleases you most.
Stay true to yourself, and disregard others' derogatory comments.

To add to this previous post, I think you have moments in your portfolio where you come close or really do achieve what photographers starting out would love to achieve. From your nude section I looked at this and thought it was lovely and a good direction for you:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/32833144 18+

Jun 12 13 05:01 am Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 663

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Ericarose wrote:
I'm sorry, but I would consider some (not all!) of your stuff porn (soft porn) things like this... http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30856619 kind of look like stills from a porno.

Don't be sorry I asked for thoughts and appreciate them.

Come to Sydney and shoot some non porn with me. :-)

Jun 12 13 05:02 am Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32502

Poulsbo, Washington, US

That model doesn't know WTF she's talking about. I didn't see any porn in your port.

Maybe the porny stuff got deleted. All I know is there's none there now.

Jun 13 13 07:21 pm Link

Photographer

robert b mitchell

Posts: 1836

Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

Hmmmmm. What is porn? By who's definition. Then I guess I would be considered doing "por" too.

Jun 13 13 07:31 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

I looked in there and I'm disappointed, I didn't find any porn at all!  I think you just started this thread to get free views of your port and bring up your stats!

Nice trickery!~  big_smile

Jun 13 13 07:32 pm Link

Model

MelissaAnn

Posts: 3958

Seattle, Washington, US

The quality of your nudes could definitely be improved, but I don't see anything close to porn. No spread-legged shots, no girl/girl stuff, nothing really even close to questionable, in my opinion. 

The model you were corresponding with must think nude=porn. She was probably just a bit of a prude, don't let it get you down.  wink

Jun 13 13 07:35 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8397

Imperial, California, US

Your model is a DUMBASS and you can print this out and give it to her!! Any other votes for DUMBASS out there??:-)))

Jun 13 13 07:37 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

GER Photography wrote:
Your model is a DUMBASS and you can print this out and give it to her!! Any other votes for DUMBASS out there??:-)))

You got my vote!

If nudity equals porn....I guess I better get back to church before I burn...LOL

Jun 13 13 07:39 pm Link

Photographer

Westdahl Studio

Posts: 333

Seattle, Washington, US

Marin Photography wrote:

You got my vote!

I was hoping to see porn... very disappointed.

Jun 13 13 07:41 pm Link

Photographer

Westdahl Studio

Posts: 333

Seattle, Washington, US

GER Photography wrote:
Your model is a DUMBASS and you can print this out and give it to her!! Any other votes for DUMBASS out there??:-)))

Dumbass being the euphemism.

Jun 13 13 07:42 pm Link

Photographer

Harlem Photo

Posts: 84

New York, New York, US

I have to say I'm disappointed by how safe your stuff is - there's plenty of porn on here masquerading as 'art'.  There are far too many 'models' here with all their own 'rules' - half of them couldn't get arrested with stolen diamonds between their thighs.  Do your work and let the critics do theirs.  If she thinks you're shooting porn I'm fkng Larry Flynt over here! 

Keep shooting, keep shooting and when you don't know what else to do - shoot some more.  Till you wear the color off a camera grip you probably haven't shot enough yet!  At least you're getting her attention.

Jun 13 13 07:46 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

To the OP. There are plenty of good books out there you can buy to help you shoot nudes.  Try Amazon. I have a few, will get you some names if you need them, PM me if you like....

Jun 13 13 07:46 pm Link

Photographer

Harlem Photo

Posts: 84

New York, New York, US

Westdahl Studio wrote:

Dumbass being the euphemism.

---bump---

Jun 13 13 07:46 pm Link

Photographer

m_s_photo

Posts: 605

Port Moody, British Columbia, Canada

Damn, and here I checked out your portfolio for nothing.

Nice pics but not porn. At least not by anyone but Billy Graham's standards.

Jun 13 13 07:56 pm Link

Photographer

G D Peters Photography

Posts: 3442

North Platte, Nebraska, US

According to MM standards, your images are not considered porn.  There will be times when others might consider your images as porn, but many do not, nor care not know what differentiates non-porn from porn.  They just view all images containing nudity as porn.  sad

Jun 13 13 08:47 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8397

Imperial, California, US

m_s_photo wrote:
Damn, and here I checked out your portfolio for nothing.

Nice pics but not porn. At least not by anyone but Billy Graham's standards.

Or Jim Baker's!!:-)))

Jun 13 13 08:52 pm Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 663

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Marin Photography wrote:
To the OP. There are plenty of good books out there you can buy to help you shoot nudes.  Try Amazon. I have a few, will get you some names if you need them, PM me if you like....

Pm sent thanks Rueben appreciate the offer.

And everyone else too.

And not a hoax to get views i promise. She exists. Even Has nudes ticked YES in her bio. And when i sent back a polite "sorry you think its porn, i don't, nor do my treasured  models but I won't argue thanks for prompt coms best wishes etc etc" message she came back with more. Conversation trashed. I refuse to double the number of idiots in that conversation :-)

David

Jun 13 13 08:57 pm Link

Photographer

Chris Gentle

Posts: 73

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Aussie girls can be a bit more conservative in this regard!

Jun 13 13 09:21 pm Link

Photographer

nyk fury

Posts: 2918

Port Townsend, Washington, US

Natural Means wrote:
But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

who, your mum? hmm

Jun 13 13 09:28 pm Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 663

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

nyk fury wrote:

who, your mum? hmm

Yeah yeah, I hear what you're sayin'

Jun 13 13 09:49 pm Link

Photographer

Fotographic Aspirations

Posts: 1951

Long Beach, California, US

Yep , pure porn ... time to box up all your gear and sell it to me $ 50 ! 

Think how well you will sleep knowing your out of the porn business :-)


F  A

Jun 13 13 09:58 pm Link

Photographer

Miss Photog

Posts: 287

VALLEY VILLAGE, California, US

like everything else, people have different viewpoints on what constitutes porn.
I do not see any porn in your portfolio.

Jun 13 13 10:15 pm Link

Photographer

Light and Lens Studio

Posts: 2012

Sisters, Oregon, US

Natural Means wrote:
Would appreciate coments on this.

I've been told numerous times my work not yet to required quality to collaberate with. And I have no issues with that. (I know where I rank on the totem pole of quality and its nearer bottom than top - for now :-) ).

But I'm hurt by the one off 'porn' claim. ;-)

Please tell me if I should be concerned by this girl's view

There are many un-enlightened individuals who consider any form of nudity to be porn -often by way of influence of misguided fundamentalist religious zealots. 

There's nothing pornographic about any of your images that I saw. 

As you have already been advised here; be true to yourself and your own vision.  Do not let the narrow views of the misguided distract or divert you from what you know to be artistic.  Your imagery will improve as you use more experienced models and gain experience directing models.  You are off to a good start.

Jun 13 13 10:30 pm Link

Artist/Painter

aquarelle

Posts: 1915

Chicago, Illinois, US

When I think porn, I think of work that stimulates lust and sexual arousal.

In that department, your work should cause you no worries.

Jun 13 13 10:48 pm Link

Photographer

imcFOTO

Posts: 581

Bothell, Washington, US

As most have already said - no it's not porn. [By the way, if you haven't had any of your photos blocked by MM yet you're really not in the porn club lol]  But she may have seen some as too amateur and that can translate into whatever you like. You might consider pruning the nudes a little and really just keeping the quality ones. If you do want the more fun 'snaps' - stick them in a folder called 'candid' or 'just fun stuff'. You might also consider making your folder photo for your nude album - less nude (MM now lets you crop) - so it's less in-your-face.

But either way - it sounds like you and this model are on different pages - so shrug it off and keep shooting what you want to shoot.

Jun 13 13 10:59 pm Link

Body Painter

BodyPainter Rich

Posts: 17981

Sacramento, California, US

The first time I got that put on me it was a bit of a shock.

By standards of 50 years ago...SOME of your photos might qualify.

By todays standards in the developed world?

No.

Jun 13 13 11:01 pm Link

Model

Love_mya

Posts: 277

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Your work is far from "porn".. its pretty tame stuff in there..

Jun 19 13 06:21 am Link

Photographer

KMP

Posts: 4834

Houston, Texas, US

I'd say you've  nothing to fear.   Grow a thicker skin.

In the end, it's up to you to define your work and how you feel about it.   You'll know when you're doing great work and you'll know when you're doing porn...

Jun 19 13 06:36 am Link

Photographer

Half Taco Photography

Posts: 183

Manitowoc, Wisconsin, US

Quit trying to recruit the ladies at the local church or Sunday school and you'll be fine!!

Jun 19 13 03:45 pm Link