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kane

Posts: 1570

Albertville, Rhône-Alpes, France

Trying to build a good but budget PC for retouching.  I have an old 25" apple cinema display from a g5 that I'll use as a second monitor but I'd really like to find a relatively cheap (less than 300 Euros/Dollars) IPS to use as the primary.  Looking at the 23" Asus PA238Q at the moment.  Any opinions?

ETA: Amazon UK has the Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" at a pretty good price right now...

Jun 20 13 06:52 am Link

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Riecky M

Posts: 84

Dublin, Dublin, Ireland

I have the Asus PA238Q its a good value for money monitor cant say anything bad about the monitor taking in count the price...but will buy new one very soon...

Check this site, you will find lots of info which you might find interesting smile

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm

Jun 20 13 10:45 am Link

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B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

kane wrote:
ETA: Amazon UK has the Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" at a pretty good price right now...

It's a decent monitor - I use one in my studio for tethering.

Not easy to calibrate being an LED backlight (I only have a Spider 2) but you can download an ICC profile from TFTCentral that will do an adequate job unless your work is extremely colour critical.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jun 20 13 11:21 am Link

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Moon Pix Photography

Posts: 3892

Syracuse, New York, US

kane wrote:
....  Looking at the 23" Asus PA238Q at the moment.  Any opinions?

Great Monitor.. Reds a little strong (even after calibration), but overall an excellent monitor for a great price.

Jun 20 13 11:37 am Link

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FKW

Posts: 196

Jakarta, Jakarta, Indonesia

what about this one
the price is just a little bit different
ASUS PA246Q wide gamut monitor,P-IPS panel with 98% Adobe RGB coverage

Jun 30 13 12:08 pm Link

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Jakov Markovic

Posts: 1128

Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia

Why not just get an NEC or something of that matter?

Samsung and Asus are great pretty monitors, but they aren't "work" monitors.

Jul 01 13 04:16 pm Link

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Zorka

Posts: 193

Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia

Jakov Markovic wrote:
Why not just get an NEC or something of that matter?

Pay attention to the word "budget".

Jul 03 13 04:45 pm Link

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Hank West 1

Posts: 28

Los Angeles, California, US

Look for an Eizo Flexscan on sale and buy it. Its all about value and hands down, it's the best monitor that I've ever owned.  The difference between and Eizo and, say a Dell or Asus is ridiculously noticeable.  And don't forget to calibrate whichever monitor you decide upon.  Hope this helps. -H

Jul 07 13 03:57 pm Link

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Don Olson Imagery

Posts: 291

Eugene, Oregon, US

Samsung and LG are basically the same. Made on the same line and pretty good. I have 27 ASUS  and it's good as well. One thing about all newer monitors now is they are too bright and need to be toned down.

Jul 07 13 04:06 pm Link

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Retouch007

Posts: 403

East Newark, New Jersey, US

maybe consider just waiting a bit and saving up and purchasing an industry one. I think new monitors are coming soon.

Jul 07 13 05:50 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 38619

Portland, Oregon, US

I'd love to hear all the negatives on this or if people have suggestions for quality retouching monitors for under $400

http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VX2770S … 105XOLYB5N

Aug 20 13 04:10 pm Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

speaking of specifically budget-wise ones (not of especially "professional" grade):

(1) ASUS PA249Q

(2) Dell U2413 (review). negative feature: overdrive is way too strong with no option to be disabled by user. get rev-A02 (after May-2013), the earlier revision is buggy

both have basically the same OEM panel

monitoring coupons, discounts, seasonal sales (Black Friday...), refurbished items (and dead pixels! smile) helps.

Nov 04 13 09:55 pm Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 595

London, England, United Kingdom

Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" I have one of these, really nice size, aspect ratio, functions.... Callibrated with Spider works well enough for me.

Nov 05 13 09:30 am Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

Feverstockphoto wrote:
Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" I have one of these, really nice size, aspect ratio, functions.... Callibrated with Spider works well enough for me.

Dell U2412M
Standard gamut = 71% NTSC, 74.3% Adobe RGB, 95.8% sRGB
$284

Dell U2413
Wide Gamut = 103% NTSC (CIE 1931), 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$465, i.e. +$181 difference and MUCH more features

ASUS PA249Q
Wide Gamut = 120% NTSC, 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$380 (USED!), i.e. +$96 difference and MUCH more features

Nov 05 13 11:35 am Link

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Feverstockphoto

Posts: 595

London, England, United Kingdom

Dan OMell wrote:

Dell U2412M
Standard gamut = 71% NTSC, 74.3% Adobe RGB, 95.8% sRGB
$284

Dell U2413
Wide Gamut = 103% NTSC (CIE 1931), 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$465, i.e. +$181 difference and MUCH more features

ASUS PA249Q
Wide Gamut = 120% NTSC, 99% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB coverage
$380 (USED!), i.e. +$96 difference and MUCH more features

^ Yep but OP is looking at Amazon UK, i guess looking at their profile page can give some indication as to why that is. Anyway the latter Asus is £420.99 on Amazon UK while the Dell i mentioned is £219.97 and within their stated budget.

Nov 05 13 01:34 pm Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

Feverstockphoto wrote:
the latter Asus is £420.99 on Amazon UK while the Dell i mentioned is £219.97 and within their stated budget.

+1
I see, and the ratio in US$ is almost the same, but my point was to introduce more than one criteria to the Procrustean bed of the so called budget. Skipping some afternoon's scone and cake with tea maybe like 10-20 times max. is well worth the celestial feast for his eyes enjoying the true colors with full wide gamut like zillion times on every-day basis...

I know I would. I am shopping for a new monitor too right now. I was stupidly economical, and my retouching became absolutely terrible, partially because I don't see the even very basic tonal gradations properly. So, I spent a lot of efforts and wasted a lot of time for nothing in return. I need a reasonably good violin, not a Stradivarie's, of course, but at least not some chipo tavern tweedle-fiddle, to play.

If I have one of the best camera on the market right now, why should I compromise the quality of the final pictures in the post and don't take all possible advantages offered by RAW processing? Sometimes even tiniest gradation, every additional pixel counts as good as gold and make a lot of difference (provided I'm able to see them!)

Nov 05 13 02:04 pm Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

hmm...
some reviewers report ASUS PA249Q's mediocre dark grayscale performance, and Dell U2413 seems to have a ghosting problem...

Nov 05 13 08:07 pm Link

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Wilde One

Posts: 2359

Santa Monica, California, US

Zorka wrote:

Pay attention to the word "budget".

This is a budget thread.

Nobody wants to pay anything. Not even attention.

Nov 05 13 11:24 pm Link

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Erik Manwaring - Philly

Posts: 665

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Dan OMell wrote:
hmm...
some reviewers report ASUS PA249Q's mediocre dark grayscale performance, and Dell U2413 seems to have a ghosting problem...

The U2413 Ghosting problem is happening on a batch of the Rev-A01's .  You can replace it with another Rev-A01 and not have the problem.  No known A02 versions have this problem.

Nov 06 13 10:16 am Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

Wilde One wrote:
This is a budget thread.
Nobody wants to pay anything. Not even attention.

define "budget".
I think it's still somewhat in the suggested range and almost in the same category of monetary value, just a bit of higher quality and more value per each dollar spent. after all, you  pay more when you buy something you gonna replace in a year or two seeing all limitations anyways, and it gonna cost you more, in the long run.
nobody suggests this beast which I probably gonna get in the very distant future (like in 2050?) when I finally stop shooting for free. even so, it's still cheaper than my camera body.
$0 budget is probably when you skip any post-processing altogether which I pretty much admire in others, but hardly can live without, myself.

Nov 06 13 10:28 am Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

Erik Manwaring - Philly wrote:
The U2413 Ghosting problem is happening on a batch of the Rev-A01's .  You can replace it with another Rev-A01 and not have the problem.  No known A02 versions have this problem.

thank you, because I've kinda got Buridan's ass syndrom already (Dell vs ASUS).

Nov 06 13 10:31 am Link

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Pictus

Posts: 1045

Teresópolis, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

How to choose a good monitor

The Dell U2413 is OK and your eyes will be happy that it does not use PWM with low frequency.
OBS, to calibrate the U2413H internal LUT, you need a X-rite i1Display Pro

Nov 06 13 11:32 am Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

Pictus wrote:
How to choose a good monitor

The Dell U2413 is OK and your eyes will be happy that it does not use PWM with low frequency.
OBS, to calibrate the U2413H internal LUT, you need a X-rite i1Display Pro

thank you so much! probably, it's good enough for static images. but I have some concern regarding severe ghosting issue when editing videos though.

Nov 10 13 07:36 am Link