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Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 34750

San Diego, California, US

Personally, I love 'em.

A model's height is totally irrelevant to me, and to lots of other people who are good with their cameras.

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It annoys the heck out of me when these pompous MM armchair experts rag on new models and say they are delusional for wanting to model.

It seems like I read this stupid quip in the forums here about 20 times a week. Then it's parroted by others as a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction to a model's stated height.

It's the people who say this as a blanket statement who are being delusional.

The percentage of models over 5'10" is only a small subset of those who model. Modeling as a profession, avocation, adventure or hobby can manifest itself in many ways.

If an old sack of potatoes like me can have fun modeling and snapping pictures, then I'm sure anyone who wants to can model.


Carry on.

bunny

Jun 20 13 06:04 pm Link

Photographer

-The Dave-

Posts: 8626

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Click, you are too short for anything except nudes. tongue

Jun 20 13 06:07 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 34750

San Diego, California, US

-The Dave- wrote:
Click, you are too short for anything except nudes. tongue

In what regard?

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/11964247

I worked on that expression as part of my modeling repertoire for just such an occassion.

smile

Jun 20 13 06:08 pm Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 22390

New York, New York, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
Personally, I love 'em.

A model's height is totally irrelevant to me, and to lots of other people who are good with their cameras.

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It annoys the heck out of me when these pompous MM armchair experts rag on new models and say they are delusional for wanting to model.

Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...

Jun 20 13 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 34750

San Diego, California, US

udor wrote:
Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...

Didn't you get to shoot with Rabbit86? 5'3" 100lbs?
aka Kassia, etc.
Would you reject her as a model? tongue

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Yes, I realize that this is from where that argument descends.

Agencies and runway work.

I am tempted to say that everything else is still available for those who want it, including fashion.

Fashions come in all heights and sizes.



Did you mean "high" fashion as higher than 5'10"?


Not so high fashion:

http://www.smudgetikka.com/smgwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Plaids-and-Tartan-checks-combine-with-strong-block-red-colour-for-childrens-fashion-from-Junior-Gaultier-winter-2012.jpg


Relatively low fashion:

http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/rockstar-inspired-toddler-fashion-rock-a-bye-baby.jpeg

Jun 20 13 06:18 pm Link

Photographer

MMR Digital

Posts: 1718

Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US

udor wrote:
Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...

The Equinox explained.

Thank you gentlemen.

Jun 20 13 06:20 pm Link

Photographer

MMR Digital

Posts: 1718

Doylestown, Pennsylvania, US

DP- Yay! My first!

Jun 20 13 06:20 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 34750

San Diego, California, US

MMR Digital wrote:
The Equinox explained.

Thank you gentlemen.

On March 21st and September 22nd I might agree with you.

But The Sun, It Shineth on Short Models every day, without prejudice.

If we can reflect light, we can model. Especially for creative ideas and art.

Jun 20 13 06:31 pm Link

Model

Dani-Mae

Posts: 59

Bladenboro, North Carolina, US

I'm short....very short actually.

I worked with a photographer here on MM and though I don't have the edited full sized photos yet from what I saw on his DSLR screen the angle that he was shooting me at made me look taller than what I am.  Certainly no six foot...but taller.

I understand the idea behind wanting models of all the same sample size and height for runway.  But I don't understand what the issue is in print.  A photographer can make a short model look taller.....and even still...some people like short.

Jun 21 13 01:46 pm Link

Photographer

Mortonovich

Posts: 5556

San Diego, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
Personally, I love 'em.

A model's height is totally irrelevant to me, and to lots of other people who are good with their cameras.

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It annoys the heck out of me when these pompous MM armchair experts rag on new models and say they are delusional for wanting to model.

It seems like I read this stupid quip in the forums here about 20 times a week. Then it's parroted by others as a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction to a model's stated height.

It's the people who say this as a blanket statement who are being delusional.

The percentage of models over 5'10" is only a small subset of those who model. Modeling as a profession, avocation, adventure or hobby can manifest itself in many ways.

If an old sack of potatoes like me can have fun modeling and snapping pictures, then I'm sure anyone who wants to can model.


Carry on.

bunny

As always, audience and intent are at the heart of the matter.

Jun 21 13 01:52 pm Link

Model

P I X I E

Posts: 35327

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I'm short. I realize I'll never shoot high fashion or anything like that, and I'm fine with the idea.

Jun 22 13 07:13 am Link

Model

brianne

Posts: 282

OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US

As said before, I think that only becomes a debate/issue when a shorter model insists on becoming a high fashion model when they are only like 5'5'' (which is my height). Even 5'8'', which I think is still pretty tall, is sometimes STILL considered "too short" for runway.
That doesn't mean shorter models can't still do fashion shows and other runway shows, but will they be high fashion? Not very likely, but it doesn't make them any less of a model.
Literally anyone can model. There so many different niches and genres.

Jun 22 13 07:50 am Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7249

New York, New York, US

I don't mind short models at all...Many of us amateurs don't care about height at all...

There are many short and talented models out there. Thank goodness! big_smile

Jun 22 13 08:04 am Link

Model

Big A-Larger Than Life

Posts: 33411

The Woodlands, Texas, US

Click Hamilton wrote:

But The Sun, It Shineth on Short Models every day, without prejudice.

Only when I sit down.  I giveth the sun to midget models.  cool 

Jun 22 13 08:05 am Link

Model

Big A-Larger Than Life

Posts: 33411

The Woodlands, Texas, US

-The Dave- wrote:
Click, you are too short for anything except nudes. tongue

Hey hey hey.  Some people are like 5'11" midgets, but they're still good people!  They can't help it if they're not normal size!  big_smile

Jun 22 13 08:06 am Link

Model

sasweets

Posts: 404

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I found a genre of what I love to do so I don't care that I'm short. It really doesn't hold me back in what I want to do; beauty work and working with designers.

Jun 22 13 08:14 am Link

Model

- Aina -

Posts: 747

Redlands, California, US

What if the model was so short, you had to lay on the floor to make her look proportionate.

Jun 22 13 09:43 am Link

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Photographer

GPS Studio Services

Posts: 36359

San Francisco, California, US

We do have this debate a lot.  Reality one:  It is much more difficult for a short model to get signed with an agency or walk the runway.

Reality two:  If you don't mind that, there are still plenty of things you can do.

I have shot a lot of short models that I love.  My assistant is only 4'5" and I shoot her all the time.

Jun 22 13 09:49 am Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12835

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I don't think it's simply about short models, it's models who are not sample size who want to shoot fashion that are delusional.  They simply don't fit the clothes and designers are not going to do something special for a model, they may for a celeb but not some girl who thinks they are going to change the industry.

Jun 22 13 09:49 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Most of the models I've shot nude, implied and in lingerie have been around 1.55m - for that kind of work, height is less important than the proportions.

For fashion, height is critical as most designers' samples are made in one size only and longer, thinner legs make clothes look better. For everything else, as long as the model is fun to work with, I really don't care.

Actually for most hobby-photographers, I would think shorter (proportional) models are a bonus as it's easier to 'fit' them in home-studios where the ceiling heights are typically lower than commercial studios...

Plus if I really need them to 'look' taller, there's always puppet-warp... big_smile

Jun 22 13 09:53 am Link

Photographer

nyk fury

Posts: 2918

Port Townsend, Washington, US

RKD Photographic wrote:
height is less important than the proportions.

that. this is MM. i don't care if she's 6 feet tall or 6 inches tall. hell, if a model was 6 inches tall i could do a LOT more with her: she would make locations look enormous!

Jun 22 13 10:05 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 27257

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

nyk fury wrote:

that. this is MM. i don't care if she's 6 feet tall or 6 inches tall. hell, if a model was 6 inches tall i could do a LOT more with her: she would make locations look enormous!

lol

Jun 22 13 10:28 am Link

Photographer

Photographe

Posts: 2350

Bristol, England, United Kingdom

We could get into a debate about what exactly is "high fashion", but there is a common misconception that high fashion requires height.

It is more about age and when the model started and who their agent was, that determines whether a career path is astronomical or not.

However I think it would be fair to say that probably the shortest mainstream "division 1" agency model in London is probably 5'6", but it wouldn't surprise me if there are beauty models around 5'4". There are plenty of people like Dean Johnson, around 5'6" or 5'7".

If a model can not bring catwalk business to an agency, then the agency look for what else a model can bring. This is why often shorter models may have a specific or unique look, or be willing to do a certain type of work, or it's obvious to the viewer why they stand out from a crowd.

Cosmetics models generally don't need to be catwalk height.

Height sometimes is only an issue because there is a second model involved.

Jun 22 13 12:25 pm Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 22390

New York, New York, US

udor wrote:
Hi Sir!

I don't think that it's really generalized about every short model... it's mostly about the short model who insist to become a high fashion model and walking the runway, instead of doing modeling that fits their size...

Click Hamilton wrote:
Didn't you get to shoot with Rabbit86? 5'3" 100lbs?
aka Kassia, etc.
Would you reject her as a model? tongue

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Kasia was a great model (cutest butt ever! smile ) and of course I would work with her again... for art or glamour projects, I just would never cast her for a runway show or for any of the designers I am working with (have not worked with fetish or lingerie designers yet), who require a model to be at least 5'9", because... well... she is 5'3".

Jun 22 13 12:32 pm Link

Model

Goddess of Saturn

Posts: 77

Fayetteville, North Carolina, US

5 foot flat, over here. big_smile

I think it's all about how your body is proportioned. I have long legs, so I don't look very short on camera.

Still, flaunt what you've got. Short girls are the next big thing. tongue

Jun 22 13 04:59 pm Link

Photographer

Nogawd Photography

Posts: 120

Cleveland, Ohio, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
I don't think it's simply about short llamas, it's llamas who are not sample size who want to shoot fashion that are delusional.

1

That's all it is.

Jun 22 13 05:08 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
Hey hey hey.  Some people are like 5'11" midgets, but they're still good people!  They can't help it if they're not normal size!  big_smile

Someday, I need to shoot with you.  You'll be the second tallest woman I've shot.  smile

Jun 22 13 07:03 pm Link

Model

Big A-Larger Than Life

Posts: 33411

The Woodlands, Texas, US

nyk fury wrote:

that. this is MM. i don't care if she's 6 feet tall or 6 inches tall. hell, if a model was 6 inches tall i could do a LOT more with her: she would make locations look enormous!

Aye!   cool

Jun 22 13 07:10 pm Link

Photographer

BlueMoonPics

Posts: 4437

New York, New York, US

Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:

Aye!   cool

I love a model I can look up to. big_smile

Jun 22 13 07:20 pm Link

Model

Calli Pygian

Posts: 8092

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
Only when I sit down.  I giveth the sun to midget models.  cool 

Jun 22 13 08:00 pm Link

Model

KRISTEN MARIE

Posts: 484

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I'm 5'2, but 5'5 in heels smile

And high fashion is one of my favorite types of modeling.. I make it dueable with my height. I just model in my own clothes!

Height doesn't matter to me, if you can model well, then why not do everything!

I admire ''talent'' more than height.  wink

Jun 23 13 02:19 am Link

Photographer

Bold Sheep Photography

Posts: 234

Blacksburg, Virginia, US

I'm 5'9". I like tall models because really short people make me feel like a giant. But I can actually put a wig on a short model! Just yesterday I shot a model who was 5'10 plus had on 4 inch heels and she had to bend over so I could fix her wig when it got crooked.

Jun 23 13 06:54 am Link

Model

Jolly Rauncher

Posts: 1517

Seattle, Washington, US

I've made all five of my feet of height work pretty well so far.

If I paid attention to people who told me I was wasting my time I'd have given up a long time ago.

Jun 23 13 05:14 pm Link

Model

Rachel-Elise

Posts: 1650

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Meh. I look taller than I am, because of my legs.

I've signed with several agencies in the past.

I did a runway show two weeks ago.

Etc.

Jun 24 13 08:23 am Link