OK so where do I find information on getting paid for shoots?
I have had a few people now ask my rate and I really didn't know what to say...
I do TF because I don't feel like I have enough experience. I wouldn't want someone to pay me and then I let them down?!
But it seems some people get on mm and flat out start asking for paid work and get it, so maybe I'm not ballsy enough? Lacking confidence? I mean im not so lost now, I know I'm getting far better and I see things so differently and I'm not looking to do high fashion or expecting high salary, but I am starting to kind of think I could get good enough for a small rate.
Also I get this weird feeling about nudes, I love implied. Going to do a lot more work. But when I'm asked to do full blown nudes I don't feel uncomfortable just a little, frustrated. I don't want to show off all the mystery for free...is that like hooker mentality..I don't know if I should feel weird like that.
Jun 24 13 06:05 pm Link
New York, New York, US
TF till you are comfortable nude. Nothing worse than a scared naked model trying to pose for pay. Shoot with someone you trust and have worked with before and try it, practice. See if you get that confidence. Tell yourself the tog is gay and treat it like business. Whatever it takes mentally to get the job done...
Jun 24 13 06:13 pm Link
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Bottom line, if you are not comfortable, you are not comfortable. Anyone pressuring for nudity... I'll leave it at that.
Jun 24 13 06:18 pm Link
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I wouldn't say hooker... stripper mentality maybe haha
Jun 24 13 06:22 pm Link
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Determine what your comfort limits are. Those should not depend on whether you are paid or not. Use TF to get good examples of all styles up to your comfort limits. If you accept paid shoots, you will give best value if you are within your comfort limits.
It is better for you to get them to quote a rate, and then you decide if it is acceptable, considering all costs, and a small beginning fee. You could use what amount you would need to be reimbursed, if you had to take that time off work.
Jun 24 13 06:24 pm Link
If posing nude makes you feel like a hooker then maybe you should ask yourself why that is?
Jun 24 13 07:16 pm Link
Fremont, North Carolina, US
Taylor, Texas is pretty conservative. Before you do full nudes make sure you'll be comfortable with people you know seeing them. There is a good chance they will. Cool with that? If so. First, factor in what it costs you too shoot. Lets say you make $15.00 per hour at work. Start there. Add in gas, the length of the shoot and here's what's tricky. How will the images be used and who's doing them. Is a tear sheet possible? A shoot at a old dirty factory is different then a nice studio with a MUA in air conditioning. Is the photographer really good? Are the images going to be used in a gallery or on-line for content.
Maybe start around $40.00 to $60.00 per hour and adjust up or down based on the project. Try and get a deposit before you start shooting and sign a release only after payment is made in full. Ask all your questions before the shoot. Try and see samples of what's expected.
Jun 24 13 07:19 pm Link
Yeehaw Junction, Florida, US
Jun 24 13 07:23 pm Link
Marin Photography wrote:
Ha the whole the crowd is wearing underwear bit, I understand. The thing is I'm not so scared of nudes, like I said, just feel odd exposing so much and putting myself out there, and not getting paid.
Jun 24 13 07:27 pm Link
Revenge Photography wrote:
maybe so..lol...I mean girls get paid alot for not even being that attractive or really trying to make a connection with a camera... just a here, look, that's my naughty bit. Once it's out there, it's out there and you can't go back
Jun 24 13 07:31 pm Link
Flex Photography wrote:
quote a rate sounds good, thanks...what do you mean by beginning fee though
Jun 24 13 07:32 pm Link
Ash Photographic wrote:
No, doing nude work doesn't make me feel like a hooker, it's thinking I might deserve some pay for taking my clothes off that does
Jun 24 13 07:33 pm Link
If you consider TF to be 'working for free' then you are trading with the wrong people.
Jun 24 13 07:34 pm Link
Then you should be thinking about how to deserve to get paid without taking your clothes off.
Tony Lawrence wrote:
That's the best advice so far.
Ash Photographic wrote:
True, it's just..I do want to get nudes done. Tastefully, of course, not spread eagle in the front of the camera is what we are going to call "art" junk. But there are very few I would feel okay doing that with thus far without pay. That's why I say it's an odd feeling I can't shake. I don't feel good enough to get paid for the rest, but even if I might not be good at nudes I want paid...does that mean practice with someone I have worked with before and trust to do a good job, or to not work at all until I get paid for the rest first
Orlando, Florida, US
Here, facebook, Craigslist, friends who you know who do promo work, etc.
Where's the harm in quoting something? Worst that can happen is they say no. If they're willing to pay you, they see something in your portfolio that find value in.
So ask these people who you think are getting paid work right away. Sometimes, people will help you out of the kindness of their hearts.
Full blown nudes. That sounds like a great project name.
I'm hoping that I did.
Fremont, North Carolina, US
A deposit starts the shoot and payment in full gets a signed release. Taylor, there are photographers here who do exceptional nude work. They don't pay but they are well worth working with. Review portfolios before you quote rates. Some shooters may not want to pay anything before all the paperwork is signed. Discuss as much as possible before the session. Don't believe that every nude model makes bank. Many don't. Its those that travel that seem to do better. Again go over as many details as possible before a session.
Jun 24 13 07:44 pm Link
Orlando, Florida, US
This is a problem statement in bold.
Jun 24 13 07:45 pm Link
Then approach those who you would feel comfortable about shooting TF nudes with and do just that.
Jun 24 13 07:46 pm Link
Atlanta, Georgia, US
But who is paying??? It's doubtful you are missing any great opportunities from these "clients"
Jun 24 13 07:51 pm Link
Ash Photographic wrote:
Get's that (kind of work) for free. And I know for fact, even if someone is professional, even if it is art, seeing someone naked can also be a bonus. There is nobody to sway me other wise that some photographers,that may be serious, may be safe as a kitten, but they also very much like to see the women naked. I have read a forum here on just the thing.."why so much revolving around doing nudes"...."oh well I'm too old to see women like that naked otherwise".
Jun 24 13 07:53 pm Link
Good Egg Productions wrote:
I really think that's what I'll go for start with the few I have found
Jun 24 13 07:56 pm Link
If you see your nudity as "a bonus" then unless you're comfortable with "giving it away" you should NOT be shooting nudes on a trade basis.
If you feel that way then you don't value the art highly enough.
Jun 24 13 08:47 pm Link
San Antonio, Texas, US
How about simply coming up with an hourly rate that you are comfortable charging for all levels of work including nudity? This business of so much for fashion, so much for bikini, so much for implied, and so on and so forth is way too much accounting for most.
Just tell us what your hourly rate is and what your limits are. Simple and clean.
As for posing nude do not even go there. You are not ready..
Jun 24 13 08:53 pm Link
Fullerton, California, US
MONEYS PAID to MODELS for MAGAZINE PUBLICATION, CALENDARS, PB Inc. CYBER-CLUB, AND GROUP PHOTO SESSIONS are set to the concept of demand, sales, and supply!
Pin-Up in Glamour, Swimwear, Lingerie = $40 per hour.
Semi-Nude, Pin-Up in Lingerie, Swimwear, Glamour = $70 per hour.
Totally-Naked, Semi-Nude, Pin-Up in Glamour, Lingerie, Nude = $100 per hour.
Money paid at signing of model release.
Jun 24 13 09:01 pm Link
Ithaca, New York, US
Determining rates can always be a tricky thing since things can vary so much from place to place and from photographer to photographer. I would suggest that you take this as a starting point: Calculate total time you will spend shooting and traveling and multiply that by your normal hourly wage at your day job (and maybe just a bit more, but not much), and add to that the cost of fuel. Then divide that number by the length of the shoot (but do not include travel time!), and quote that as your hourly rate. That way you know you're at least breaking even.
If that rate proves to be too low and you're getting flooded with requests, great! just up the rate a bit until things even out. In my experience it's usually easier to aim a bit low and up the rate once you realize that you're in demand, than to try and create the demand when you start too high.
You should also consider charging per commission rather than an hourly rate, and factor in things such as usage, exposure, and the skill and experience of the photographer.
As for the nudes issue, I'd like to echo a lot of the advice that others have posted here about trading and the stripper mentality. I completely understand where you are coming from wanting money for nudity. And while it does seem to make sense, it may not always be in your best interest. I did have a longer reply written, but I discarded it. I would recommend that you do listen to some of the other posters and carefully consider what they have to say.
Jun 24 13 09:51 pm Link
San Diego, California, US
Classic Model Mayhem . . . .
Jun 24 13 10:17 pm Link
Los Angeles, California, US
Jun 24 13 10:27 pm Link
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I'm not sure quite what to say other than you are not ready for nudes, paid or not. Being nude at a shoot is not about your bits unless you are shooting with the wrong person. Anyone worth their salt won't care one way or another.
Jun 24 13 10:48 pm Link
Port Townsend, Washington, US
you are a hoot. i have no idea what to do with your mystery, but i do know it's pretty damn fun reading about it.
Jun 24 13 11:19 pm Link
Bath, England, United Kingdom
It's a stripper mentality.
Jun 25 13 03:31 am Link
Grand Junction, Colorado, US
Just two observations......
TFCd is not working for free, it's bartering. If you modeled for a diamond ring, would that be working for free? Do TFCd, when you benefit. At this point, gaining experience and knowledge that will lead to paid (for money) jobs is being paid.
You have the nude thing a bit backwards. It makes no sense charging for nudity, that's setting up the situation that you want to avoid and that's why you feel funny about doing it. I have a feeling that's it's more your insecurity with your ability to provide the best in nude modeling that's causing your 'odd' feeling and not the 'giving up the mystery'. Btw, for us experienced photographers, it's not all that mysterious. :-)
Work until your nude modeling is worth being paid in cash, then you'll be doing it for the right reasons. Btw, nude modeling, especially 'art nudes' opens up an area that requires the most skill of all, and can provide that most satisfaction or all.
Jun 25 13 03:57 am Link
Cleveland, Ohio, US
Jun 25 13 04:17 am Link
Just skimming responses I've missed..but just going to say I value implied more than art nudes. Mayhem the right word considering people don't read, look too into things, and crave the drama for the business. When I say mystery I dont mean there is a magical treasure chest hidden beneath my panties, I am saying the mystery that implied holds, for all models. I thank the ones that actually helped and whom I have had personal messages between. As for the rest, I'm off to other forums, enjoy your mayhem elsewhere
Jun 25 13 09:51 am Link
Cleveland, Ohio, US
Another one bites the dust, but there will always be new ones.
Jun 25 13 09:59 am Link