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PhillipM

Posts: 6555

Martin, Tennessee, US

I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

Jul 12 13 05:20 am Link

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FredSugar

Posts: 217

Dallas, Texas, US

PhillipM wrote:
I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

haha, i heard about that.   Let's see how the photos look, first.

Jul 12 13 05:36 am Link

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R.EYE.R

Posts: 2836

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

Because megapixels define a work of art...

Jul 12 13 05:37 am Link

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PhillipM

Posts: 6555

Martin, Tennessee, US

I want to see them attach a 300 F4 to that little guy... wink

Jul 12 13 05:44 am Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6100

Olympia, Washington, US

Those photos will look amazing when you text them to your friends or post them on Facebook!

Jul 12 13 05:56 am Link

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R.EYE.R

Posts: 2836

Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan

Best used on duck lips in toilet mirrors wink

Jul 12 13 06:08 am Link

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L A U B E N H E I M E R

Posts: 8795

Seattle, Washington, US

PhillipM wrote:
I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

that's old news. you've been fine for a while then. don't sweat it.

Jul 12 13 06:13 am Link

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Kelvin Hammond

Posts: 17361

Billings, Montana, US

PhillipM wrote:
I want to see them attach a 300 F4 to that little guy... wink

They already do....

http://www.japantrendshop.com/img/sanwa/sanwa-telephoto-lens-iphone-4-zoom-camera-1.jpeg

Jul 12 13 07:50 am Link

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PhillipM

Posts: 6555

Martin, Tennessee, US

FANTASTIC...

I know I'm done with the biz now...

Poooof

Jul 12 13 07:55 am Link

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TouchofEleganceStudios

Posts: 5180

Upland, California, US

Here it is. The latest and greatest.

http://news.yahoo.com/nokia-unveils-lum … 02963.html


:-)

Jul 12 13 07:59 am Link

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In Balance Photography

Posts: 3372

Boston, Massachusetts, US

PhillipM wrote:
I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

I need to get one. Then I can make even more large print quality images that I would never want to print.

Jul 12 13 08:27 am Link

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Mikey McMichaels

Posts: 2313

New York, New York, US

There were once master blacksmiths who'd apprenticed for years.

This particular phone is not the one that will out everyone out of business, but the line between phones, laptops and cameras is going to be blurred permanently within our lifetimes and how people deal with that is going to determine whether or not they can make a living.

Ableton just came out with a device yesterday called the Push. They've reinvented the keyboard and it's truly amazing. It's a grid of buttons 8x8 and replaces the piano style keyboard.

What's unique is that you can set it so that it lights up in different ways to show you different scales and which notes you can and can not play. It took me a little while to figure out how to best relate to it and once I figured out that a certain option would light it up the way I see a guitar/bass fretboard I could play an entirely new instrument 80% as well as one I've been playing for 30 years - and I'm not a hobbiest guitar player. I went to Berklee and have played arena shows as a session player with the top musicians in the world.

There's no question that someone without any musical knowledge starting on this will be way ahead of where anyone starts on other instruments - and this is only the first version. When they have educational functions built in it's going to be insane.


It's fine to joke about camera phones now, but people are no longer going to need years to get their technical skills to a pro photographer's level. The idea of being paid for technical skill is over and people are going to have to really think about what it is that people actually pay for to survive. The people who figure that out may make more money than ever.

Jul 12 13 08:51 am Link

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PhillipM

Posts: 6555

Martin, Tennessee, US

Mikey McMichaels wrote:
It's fine to joke about camera phones now, but people are no longer going to need years to get their technical skills to a pro photographer's level. The idea of being paid for technical skill is over and people are going to have to really think about what it is that people actually pay for to survive. The people who figure that out may make more money than ever.

I'm shooting another senior gal tomorrow.  I'm going to them.  Mom tells me over the phone, that she's not sure they'll have any good places to shoot over her way.  I told her, I'm shooting images of your daughter, and not props. 

I'll let my eye dictate where and how I'll shoot her.  Most folks nowadays just think they can just pop off shots with anything, and it will be great.  For most, it might be acceptable. 

I'm not wanting that market anyway.  The stuff I shoot senior wise, isn't great, but it has a look. 

Classic example was last night.  We're in my car, and I'm looking for a spot to shoot a dude that runs.  Not track and field.  We don't have that here.  They call it, "Cross Country" here, but it's more or less just jogging.

Anyway, I stop the car, and tell the kid to walk up approx 30 yards in front of me, and when I tell him to run, I just want him to jog up the hill.

Is it a master piece?  Hell no.  Does the kid/mom like it.  Hell yes.  Oh, this was shot in town, 2 blocks from the studio.

My point.  Put what ever you want into anyone's hands.  If they can't vision it, they can't shoot it.

They pay me for my eye.

http://www.keepsakephotography.us/Easton264.jpg

Jul 12 13 10:09 am Link

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J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 10329

Santa Ana, California, US

Mikey McMichaels wrote:
The idea of being paid for technical skill is over and people are going to have to really think about what it is that people actually pay for to survive.

Well, I think it depends which "technical" skills one talks about. If you are referring to the ability to get correct exposure - then I agree. If you're talking about lighting, I don't.

Jul 12 13 10:17 am Link

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ForeverFotos

Posts: 6644

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

just a reminder....the life of a monk is not always that easy.

http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/29-meister-des-shaolin-kung-fu-neuwied-musik-veranstaltung.jpg

Jul 12 13 10:26 am Link

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Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7249

New York, New York, US

More pixels with a tiny sensor isn't very impressive.

Jul 12 13 10:32 am Link

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KMP

Posts: 4825

Houston, Texas, US

PhillipM wrote:
I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

But a monk with a 43MB camera phone?

Jul 12 13 11:07 am Link

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Moon Pix Photography

Posts: 3892

Syracuse, New York, US

PhillipM wrote:
I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

Lol.. MP don't mean S#$T and don't understand why so many people wet their pants when it comes to high MP's.   I can almost guarantee the IQ will be crap - Cramming that many pixels into a tiny little sensor can't be good for IQ. We will have to wait and see.

Jul 12 13 11:12 am Link

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PhillipM

Posts: 6555

Martin, Tennessee, US

KevinMcGowanPhotography wrote:

But a monk with a 43MB camera phone?

Priceless

Jul 12 13 11:12 am Link

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Shot By Adam

Posts: 5952

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Marin Photography NYC wrote:
More pixels with a tiny sensor isn't very impressive.

Maybe not to you but to the average person who doesn't know any better, it sure does.

Jul 12 13 11:17 am Link

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Good Egg Productions

Posts: 15718

Orlando, Florida, US

I do wish they'd stop calling them phones or even smart phones.

Of the list of things these devices do, I'd say "make phone calls" is somewhere in the teens or twenties of importance.

Any suggestions as to what we SHOULD call them?  Pocket device?  Personal Unit?  probably too many jokes for that one.  Life Device?

Honestly, it's not a phone anymore.  It's a 24MP camera attached to a touch screen computer that is always connected to the internet which also has the ability to make a phone call, although you'll rarely use it for that.

Jul 12 13 11:19 am Link

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Gulag

Posts: 1250

Duluth, Georgia, US

PhillipM wrote:
I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

I thought Hassy has had 200MP camera for a little while now. You forgot to do it when it came out?

Jul 12 13 11:24 am Link

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Green Grape

Posts: 292

West Paterson, New Jersey, US

Don't even mind that.. Is nothing to ruin us as photographers.

That phone is aimed for people in a way of planned obsolescence.

Jul 12 13 11:31 am Link

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Select Models

Posts: 36228

Upland, California, US

What kinda gear do you have?... hmm

Jul 12 13 11:38 am Link

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rfordphotos

Posts: 4891

Antioch, California, US

ForeverFotos wrote:
just a reminder....the life of a monk is not always that easy.

http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/29-meister-des-shaolin-kung-fu-neuwied-musik-veranstaltung.jpg

ok- this made me laugh out loud.

Just when you're feeling like YOU have it bad-- they break out the spears.....

41 megapixels on a smartphone -- pixel density must be remarkable-- smile bet it has great shadow detail in low light wink

Jul 12 13 11:51 am Link

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Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7249

New York, New York, US

Shot By Adam wrote:

Maybe not to you but to the average person who doesn't know any better, it sure does.

You do have a point.  Wait till they print that super large grainy image...maybe then they will get it?...  big_smile

Jul 12 13 11:57 am Link

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Robb Mann

Posts: 10671

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Smedley Whiplash wrote:

They already do....

http://www.japantrendshop.com/img/sanwa/sanwa-telephoto-lens-iphone-4-zoom-camera-1.jpeg

Is that the new NEX?

Jul 12 13 12:49 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54149

Buena Park, California, US

ForeverFotos wrote:
just a reminder....the life of a monk is not always that easy.

http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/29-meister-des-shaolin-kung-fu-neuwied-musik-veranstaltung.jpg

That is easy.
















If you're a monk.

Jul 12 13 01:34 pm Link

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KenBrandon

Posts: 212

Dallas, Texas, US

Marin Photography NYC wrote:
More pixels with a tiny sensor isn't very impressive.

True, there is only so much that tiny sensor can do.

Ive found that the best results come from a physically larger sensor with fewer pixels.

With so many megapixels crammed in such a timy space, the device would have to make the sensor "work" that much harder to capture and process light.
...this will lead to noise, noise, noise.
Also there is a questions of sharpness, if the goal is to do cropping, there has to be absolute pin-sharp focising and I've never seen this is camera-phones.

Since most smart phones are becoming more like mini-tablets these days, i dont think they will be spending much more into actually improving the cameras, just boosting the specs to make it sound cool

Jul 12 13 01:37 pm Link

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terrysphotocountry

Posts: 4152

Rochester, New York, US

PhillipM wrote:
I heard this a.m. on Z100 out of N.Y., that some phone mfg, is bringing out a camera / phone with 43 megapixels...

That's it.  I'm done.  Selling all my gear, and becoming a Monk.

[snicker]

I don't have a PC that can handel many images of that size!

Jul 12 13 01:47 pm Link

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Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 12639

Winter Park, Florida, US

Smedley Whiplash wrote:

They already do....

http://www.japantrendshop.com/img/sanwa/sanwa-telephoto-lens-iphone-4-zoom-camera-1.jpeg

Yeah. I'll go plane-spotting with this rig.

Probably not...

Jul 12 13 02:01 pm Link

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The F-Stop

Posts: 1510

New York, New York, US

they keep piling on the mega pixels like whipcream.. it won't make my cake taste any better, nor my photos any nicer.

Don't need it!.... don't own a cell phone either!

Jul 12 13 04:37 pm Link

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Schlake

Posts: 2622

Socorro, New Mexico, US

I'm about to upgrade to an 18MP camera!  And to buy three 4T disks to add to my computer to hold images on...

Jul 12 13 04:41 pm Link

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Art Silva

Posts: 9459

Santa Barbara, California, US

Can't wait to have so super kick-ass sharp Instagram shots > compressed down to 0.005 mp when it's all said and done, but hey at least it was shot with a sharp 41mp camera phone  tongue

Jul 12 13 05:16 pm Link

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Mike Hemming

Posts: 359

Easton, Maryland, US

Marin Photography NYC wrote:

You do have a point.  Wait till they print that super large grainy image...maybe then they will get it?...  big_smile

No they will tell you with a straight face how great the photos are

Jul 12 13 05:17 pm Link

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Image Works Photography

Posts: 2890

Orlando, Florida, US

12mp has been the magic number for me for a number of years. 41mp is just for people that crop a lot or do posters.

Jul 12 13 05:23 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12835

Atlanta, Georgia, US

It's just a tool

Jul 12 13 05:27 pm Link

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MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
It's just a tool

We're all just tools.

Jul 12 13 05:42 pm Link

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Yingwah Productions

Posts: 1341

New York, New York, US

To all the people that say the image quality will suck and it will be grainy, isn't that what everyone said when the D800 was first announced? then it turns out to have the best image quality of current cameras and better high iso than a d700.

My phone has a 13mp camera, more than my D300, and under certain conditions can come close to the same quality. Even in low light it might be better than my 40D with kit lens. And thats a camera with a sensor maybe 1mm wide

Jul 12 13 06:09 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12835

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Yingwah Productions wrote:
To all the people that say the image quality will suck and it will be grainy, isn't that what everyone said when the D800 was first announced? then it turns out to have the best image quality of current cameras and better high iso than a d700.

My phone has a 13mp camera, more than my D300, and under certain conditions can come close to the same quality. Even in low light it might be better than my 40D with kit lens. And thats a camera with a sensor maybe 1mm wide

Actually I think many D700 owners might disagree, and didn't the D600 prove to be better than the D800 for low light?

Jul 12 13 06:33 pm Link