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Magic Forests

Posts: 530

New York, New York, US

I'm taking a photography class and need a film camera.

What do you recommend?

Aug 19 13 09:54 pm Link

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Laura UnBound

Posts: 27372

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

What does your class require? How much manual control over the camera do you want/need? 35mm? 110/120? Polaroid? There's lots of different film.

Of all my random film cameras I've picked up or been given, this one is the easiest for me to use because I leave it on auto and it does the work for me (I started on this camera and knew absolutely nothing about photography) http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Minolta-Maxxum- … -/52104811
Bonus that they're super fuckin cheap.
If I feel like it (which, lets be honest, I don't) I can still manually control all the settings or only some of the settings, I can do mostly whatever I want, to the degree that the camera was capable of at that time. It obviously doesn't measure up to the options that a dslr from this year will have.

I've got an older Fuji and twin lens reflex that are 100% manual and require me to sort of know the technicals if I don't want all my pictures to suck. I experiment with them but not much beyond that.

Aug 19 13 10:36 pm Link

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A S Photography

Posts: 1217

Newark, Delaware, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
What does your class require? How much manual control over the camera do you want/need? 35mm? 110/120? Polaroid? There's lots of different film.

Those are most of the key questions.

In addition, what do you want to learn? (Why are you taking the class?)  Will you be taking additional classes that have additional requirements?  Come to think of it: how important is it that you are able to buy a digital camera body later and use the same lenses?  (I know Canon EOS supports that.  I assume that they aren't the only one).

That said, the minimum you probably want is full manual (set aperture and shutter speed), aperture priority, and shutter speed priority.  You may want full auto (program) as well.  Beyond that, visit a large camera store near you and try the used cameras that they have to see if there is one you prefer the feel of (camera size and balance, where the controls are, etc.).

Aug 19 13 11:50 pm Link

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Laura UnBound

Posts: 27372

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

A S Photography wrote:
Those are most of the key questions.

In addition, what do you want to learn? (Why are you taking the class?)  Will you be taking additional classes that have additional requirements?  Come to think of it: how important is it that you are able to buy a digital camera body later and use the same lenses?  (I know Canon EOS supports that.  I assume that they aren't the only one).

That said, the minimum you probably want is full manual (set aperture and shutter speed), aperture priority, and shutter speed priority.  You may want full auto (program) as well.  Beyond that, visit a large camera store near you and try the used cameras that they have to see if there is one you prefer the feel of (camera size and balance, where the controls are, etc.).

I know that Minolta was bought by Sony, so some of the Minolta lenses will work with a Sony slr or dslr, and vice versa (but not all, of course) which works okay for me since my fiancé shoots Minolta/Sony, and I hardly ever use anything on my Minolta besides the 50mm it came with.


It doesn't work for me in the sense that (as you spoke to personal comfort) I don't like Sony dslrs, the body isn't comfortable/intuitive for me. I shoot Nikon digitally. If she's looking for an eventual dslr upgrade, it would make sense to buy something that is comfortable for her now and later, so she should try handling both the film camera she intends to buy, as well as some newer digital models.



If the class is just a for funsies filler course and she doesn't really intend to *get into* photography...all this is nonsense, get something cheap that gets the job done.

Aug 20 13 12:06 am Link

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FootNote Fotography

Posts: 18809

Olympia, Washington, US

Nikon F100 probably the best bang for the buck. Cheaper options though.

Aug 20 13 12:34 am Link

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Michael Broughton

Posts: 2244

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Aug 20 13 01:31 am Link

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photoguy42

Posts: 2914

Toledo, Ohio, US

I'd recommend something with at least one lens. Maybe a shutter. And being able to hold film would probably be helpful as well. smile

Aug 20 13 05:23 am Link

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Blue Cube Imaging

Posts: 11293

Ashland, Oregon, US

It will of course depend on what the instructor has in mind, but generally speaking you'll need a camera that has manual settings, shutter speed, aperture, focus and the ability to set the ISO.

Pentax K1000
Ricoh KR5
Nikon FM or FM2
Olympus OM1
Minolta SRT100 SRT101 SRT 200 SRT 201

(I generally sell the ones above for 49.00 to 89.00 with a standard lens, film tested with fresh batteries.)

All meet those minimum criteria plus have matched needle style metering.

There are many others that can be used. Most of the cameras from the 80's and 90's were automatic with some kind of manual override.

Canon AE1
Nikon FE
Olympus OM2
Canon Rebel
Pentax ME Super
Pentax MX

Some to avoid (no manual override):

Nikon EM
Olympus OM10 (needed an expensive adapter for manual)
Pentax ME

If you find one and have any question as to whether it will work drop me a line, I've been selling them since 1980 and am pretty familiar with most cameras of the last 30+ years. I hook all of the local high schools and colleges up with their cameras.

Aug 20 13 06:42 am Link

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Paolo Diavolo

Posts: 8792

Martinez, California, US

I'm answering for her cause she's still asleep.
She just needs something simple.
Lens compatability doesn't matter. 
We were looking on craigslist last night, and I found a Rebel 2000 that the guy wants $100 for.
Said he never even used it.
Comes with kit lens, new battery and a case
All the instruction manuals etc.

Were going to try to meet up with him tonight and put some film in it to make sure it works.
But..
I also texted a buddy of mine and he said she could use his old Canon AE-1.

Think buying the rebel is worth it when the AE-1 is free to borrow?

Aug 20 13 06:54 am Link

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Blue Cube Imaging

Posts: 11293

Ashland, Oregon, US

Use the AE-1

Camera is easy to use in manual mode but is still shutter speed priority if needed. Also have to focus, set the film speed, load and rewind the film, the whole experience.

The Rebel 2000 (I sell mint for about the same) is auto load, auto ISO, auto wind, auto focus, auto exposure (with over ride). The only reason to get this one is if there were a couple of other EOS mount lenses that could then be used on a digital Canon body later.

Aug 20 13 08:04 am Link

Model

Magic Forests

Posts: 530

New York, New York, US

Aww thanks Mr. Blue Cube. You're beary sweet.

Aug 20 13 08:50 am Link

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Art Silva

Posts: 9451

Santa Barbara, California, US

You can't go wrong with the old Nikons (FE, FM) and a good 50mm f/1.8 AI to start with. I think I last saw somewhere you can get that setup used for no more than $300 total. It's simple and straight forward to use and also has enough electronics you need for TTL spot metering.

Aug 20 13 09:15 am Link

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Damon Banner

Posts: 85305

Hayward, California, US

rb67.  you'll roll into class like a boss








but really, an ae1 is great to start on

Aug 20 13 10:10 am Link

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Blue Cube Imaging

Posts: 11293

Ashland, Oregon, US

Paolo Diavolo wrote:
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I also texted a buddy of mine and he said she could use his old Canon AE-1.

Think buying the rebel is worth it when the AE-1 is free to borrow?

The AE-1 uses a PX28 battery, silver oxide is preferred or the alkaline LR44x4 option. The will run you around 7.50 and 10.00. The camera will not work without it.

Aug 20 13 11:32 am Link

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Robb Mann

Posts: 10657

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Nikon still sells the FM10, mostly for photography students. Full manual. Old school. But brand new.

http://m.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products … /FM10.html

Aug 20 13 04:52 pm Link

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scrymettet

Posts: 32249

Quebec, Quebec, Canada

my k1000 is still doing good after all those years
all manual, can operate without battery

Minolta sr71 as well

but I like the K1000 better.

Aug 20 13 04:58 pm Link

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Vintagevista

Posts: 11042

Sun City, California, US

gone baby gone

Aug 20 13 10:50 pm Link

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Blue Cube Imaging

Posts: 11293

Ashland, Oregon, US

Vintagevista wrote:
Konica T-3 with a 50 1.7 lens

It needs batteries.

It needs a home - drop me a line.

smile

I'll trade you some printing... The college is starting up and I'm a bit low on quality stock.

Aug 21 13 12:01 am Link

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Becks

Posts: 31801

Rochester, New York, US

Minolta x-370 SLR with a 50mm manual focus lens was what I learned on. I think it's extremely important to learn the basic-basics on film, at least it was for me-- I am a lover of The Shortcut and going straight to digital and/or auto-everything would have ruined me. With the Minolta I had to learn everything the hard way, through trial and error.

I loved that damn camera. I regret with every fiber of my being the fact that I gave it away to a model who swore up and down she wanted to learn and to my knowledge never even shot a roll with it after all.


*shakes fist* Major regretsies, it would have been cool to keep it as a momento.

Aug 21 13 12:20 am Link

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Magic Forests

Posts: 530

New York, New York, US

Becks wrote:
Minolta x-370 SLR with a 50mm manual focus lens was what I learned on. I think it's extremely important to learn the basic-basics on film, at least it was for me-- I am a lover of The Shortcut and going straight to digital and/or auto-everything would have ruined me. With the Minolta I had to learn everything the hard way, through trial and error.

I loved that damn camera. I regret with every fiber of my being the fact that I gave it away to a model who swore up and down she wanted to learn and to my knowledge never even shot a roll with it after all.


*shakes fist* Major regretsies, it would have been cool to keep it as a momento.

I'm really gonna learn, I swear! D:

We're making photograms on Monday and we need to bring in things that mean something to us. It feels like going in to show and tell. :3

Aug 21 13 02:57 pm Link

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scrymettet

Posts: 32249

Quebec, Quebec, Canada

Vintagevista wrote:
Konica T-3 with a 50 1.7 lens

It needs batteries.

It needs a home - drop me a line.

smile

FOREST !! Take him to his words and grab that camera.

Aug 21 13 03:02 pm Link

Model

Magic Forests

Posts: 530

New York, New York, US

We picked up my camera baby today!

Aug 25 13 02:43 pm Link

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Laura UnBound

Posts: 27372

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Becks wrote:
Minolta x-370 SLR with a 50mm manual focus lens was what I learned on. I think it's extremely important to learn the basic-basics on film, at least it was for me-- I am a lover of The Shortcut and going straight to digital and/or auto-everything would have ruined me. With the Minolta I had to learn everything the hard way, through trial and error.

I loved that damn camera. I regret with every fiber of my being the fact that I gave it away to a model who swore up and down she wanted to learn and to my knowledge never even shot a roll with it after all.


*shakes fist* Major regretsies, it would have been cool to keep it as a momento.

I might've donated a roll of film to that camera if its what I'm thinking of lol still don't know that its been used.

Aug 25 13 03:10 pm Link

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Becks

Posts: 31801

Rochester, New York, US

Laura UnBound wrote:

I might've donated a roll of film to that camera if its what I'm thinking of lol still don't know that its been used.

It probably is one and the same lol

Aug 25 13 08:37 pm Link

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Model Sarah

Posts: 39287

Columbus, Ohio, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
What does your class require? How much manual control over the camera do you want/need? 35mm? 110/120? Polaroid? There's lots of different film.

Of all my random film cameras I've picked up or been given, this one is the easiest for me to use because I leave it on auto and it does the work for me (I started on this camera and knew absolutely nothing about photography) http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Minolta-Maxxum- … -/52104811
Bonus that they're super fuckin cheap.
If I feel like it (which, lets be honest, I don't) I can still manually control all the settings or only some of the settings, I can do mostly whatever I want, to the degree that the camera was capable of at that time. It obviously doesn't measure up to the options that a dslr from this year will have.

I've got an older Fuji and twin lens reflex that are 100% manual and require me to sort of know the technicals if I don't want all my pictures to suck. I experiment with them but not much beyond that.

Eh that camera is alright. If she's taking a class she needs to not leave it on auto and let it do the work for her though.

Blue Cube has it right. Canon Ae-1. Those things are little bad asses. I wish I had one. I use rangefinders and tlr's mainly, but get the Ae-1.

Aug 27 13 05:52 am Link

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P I X I E

Posts: 35327

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

My husband has a Nikon SLR. Can't remember what model it was, but it's pretty good.

Aug 27 13 07:51 am Link

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Laura UnBound

Posts: 27372

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Model Sarah wrote:

Eh that camera is alright. If she's taking a class she needs to not leave it on auto and let it do the work for her though.

Blue Cube has it right. Canon Ae-1. Those things are little bad asses. I wish I had one. I use rangefinders and tlr's mainly, but get the Ae-1.

Which is why I asked what she was actually required to do, and still noted that if I felt like it, I can take that camera out of auto and manually control it. (I just dont)

Aug 27 13 01:41 pm Link

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scrymettet

Posts: 32249

Quebec, Quebec, Canada

Magic Forests wrote:
We picked up my camera baby today!

what did you get ?

Aug 27 13 02:45 pm Link

Model

Magic Forests

Posts: 530

New York, New York, US

I've got a Pentax K1000. My teddy bear is getting big headed now that he's got someone taking pictures of him.

https://sphotos-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1238348_10151879599235159_998900527_n.jpg

Aug 27 13 03:32 pm Link

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scrymettet

Posts: 32249

Quebec, Quebec, Canada

Magic Forests wrote:
I've got a Pentax K1000. My teddy bear is getting big headed now that he's got someone taking pictures of him.

welcome in the club
I am taking mine to Italy next week loaded in B&W film

Aug 27 13 04:40 pm Link

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Magic Forests

Posts: 530

New York, New York, US

scrymettet wrote:
welcome in the club
I am taking mine to Italy next week loaded in B&W film

How amazing! Come back and show us how pretty Italy is!

Aug 27 13 05:13 pm Link

Photographer

scrymettet

Posts: 32249

Quebec, Quebec, Canada

Magic Forests wrote:

How amazing! Come back and show us how pretty Italy is!

will do. smile

Aug 27 13 05:23 pm Link

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Jay Pegg

Posts: 6296

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Another person for the AE-1. It's what I learned on.

Or if you want something that will develop your biceps, try the Nikon F5. Lovely camera, if... robust.

Sep 03 13 09:12 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 38558

Portland, Oregon, US

I would love to come across an SRT-101 for sentimental reasons (is what my grandfather had)

but if I needed a 35mm to use, I'd rather have a F100 or F5

Sep 03 13 10:31 pm Link

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Blue Cube Imaging

Posts: 11293

Ashland, Oregon, US

DougBPhoto wrote:
I would love to come across an SRT-101 for sentimental reasons (is what my grandfather had)

but if I needed a 35mm to use, I'd rather have a F100 or F5

Well you just managed to age me significantly, I had one too (so I could be Doug's grandfather, fuck.)  tongue

Sep 04 13 11:17 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 38558

Portland, Oregon, US

Blue Cube Imaging wrote:

Well you just managed to age me significantly, I had one too (so I could be Doug's grandfather, fuck.)  tongue

Well, I had the camera for a while too, and that does not mean I could be my own grandfather.

I'm sure you're not THAT old.  Heck, I've seen a pic of you, you're still in your prime!!

Sep 05 13 12:17 am Link