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Photographer

1nyc_tssm

Posts: 49

Paris, Île-de-France, France

I looked at some of my images I recently uploaded this morning on my iPad, and noticed that the colors are really off, especially the reds seem to be over-saturated or have a different hue.

They look fine on both my MacBook and Mac (in all Lightroom, Photoshop, Preview), they also look fine when I transfer them into my photos on the iPad and view them offline.

But especially on this one http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/33773372 it's too red/purple on the iPad and online on the laptop. On my Mac online (on MM) it's fine.

I know it also depends on the monitor calibration, however, other images (similar red hue) look fine everywhere, so it might be the image, not monitor. But some have similar problems.
I retouch always the same - RAW (or scanned film jpg) into Lightroom, then Photoshop.

The above image has an intended blush-tone btw, just not as strong.

I like to mess with the color sometimes, over/under-saturation or crossprocessed film, but I want it to be my intended mess:)

Can I prevent this somehow?

This thread describes my exact problem, but there wasn't an actual solution: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=609024

(Edit: I just looked at a website that lets you check your monitor calibration a little, and it seems fine)

Sep 05 13 01:38 am Link

Retoucher

LightFeatherRetouch

Posts: 445

Bratislava, Bratislavský, Slovakia

That happens to all of us. Whatever screen you see your photos they will look totally different, color tones, brightness, contrast, sharpness... everything looks different, I know it's frustrating... but nothing you can do about it.

This is caused by monitor differences, you can't control other people monitors, or even your own different monitors. Even if calibrated you still see variations. 

In same cases however, it can be caused by a color profile not being recognized.

But there are many more things to have in account. If you post the same image with a different background color around them... they have a different feel.

Sep 05 13 01:49 am Link

Photographer

Studio Still

Posts: 226

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

It sounds like you are not using sRGB for your web display.

Sep 05 13 09:45 am Link

Photographer

1nyc_tssm

Posts: 49

Paris, Île-de-France, France

Ah ok, thank you. It looks fine on most devices I checked today. The issue seems to be mostly with thumbnails, or looking on it on smaller devices (on my Blackberry it's the worst, it looks very purple. Not saying it's made for image viewing, I was just investigating).

Would it help to save it differently, not as jpeg?

LightFeatherRetouch wrote:
you can't control other people monitors

Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if I could. smile

Studio Still wrote:
It sounds like you are not using sRGB for your web display.

I do.

Sep 05 13 12:23 pm Link

Photographer

Wayver

Posts: 778

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Sep 10 13 08:13 am Link

Photographer

Kincaid Blackwood

Posts: 23412

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Some browsers (like Safari) are making an attempt to recognize and adapt more color spaces than just sRGB. Consider that in your search for causes. The iPad also displays at a higher resolution (more pixels per inch) than most monitors, so your colors may look "off" because of that too.

Sep 10 13 08:19 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22615

Salem, Oregon, US

how do you save the jpeg out of photoshop? are you converting to sRGB when doing that? i also have sRGB as my photoshop working space.

beyond that, different devices are different. maybe the best you can do is profile your working monitor (i use colormunki) and hope for the best.

Sep 10 13 01:35 pm Link

Photographer

1nyc_tssm

Posts: 49

Paris, Île-de-France, France

ontherocks wrote:
how do you save the jpeg out of photoshop? are you converting to sRGB when doing that? i also have sRGB as my photoshop working space.

Yes, and me, too.

It seems to be mostly a thumbnail issue.

I'll look into the monitor profiling and the link, thank you all:)

Sep 13 13 12:10 am Link

Photographer

Yingwah Productions

Posts: 1341

New York, New York, US

It most likely has to do with the browser you're using not reading the color profile in the image. For example Firefox will use the embedded profile but Opera doesn't. Safari should read the profile but maybe mobile version doesn't?

http://www.yingwah.net/misc/browser.jpg


Oddly though if you upload jpg straight out of camera with no alterations, the reddish hue doesn't seem to happen

Sep 13 13 02:16 am Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 2641

Glens Falls, New York, US

ontherocks wrote:
how do you save the jpeg out of photoshop? are you converting to sRGB when doing that? i also have sRGB as my photoshop working space.

beyond that, different devices are different. maybe the best you can do is profile your working monitor (i use colormunki) and hope for the best.

I suspect the colour spaces are your problem.  Most browsers, most websites, and almost every mobile device(including iOS devices, though the newest generation may be different) use sRGB as the default colour space.  In the case of the mobile devices, AdobeRGB isn't even an option.

My experience when uploading an AdobeRGB file and letting the website/device do the conversion is that the image is almost always more red/magenta, and more contrasty overall.

You can easily correct this by letting Photoshop do the conversion for you.  Keep an AdobeRGB version for editing and inkjet printing, and make a downsampled sRGB version for uploading.  Or if you don't print much, just make everything sRGB.

Yingwah Productions wrote:
Oddly though if you upload jpg straight out of camera with no alterations, the reddish hue doesn't seem to happen

That's because, unless you've changed it, your camera is set to record .jpgs in sRGB, while Photoshop is set to turn RAW files into AdobeRGB.

Sep 13 13 06:19 am Link

Photographer

Yingwah Productions

Posts: 1341

New York, New York, US

Yingwah Productions wrote:
Oddly though if you upload jpg straight out of camera with no alterations, the reddish hue doesn't seem to happen

Zack Zoll wrote:
That's because, unless you've changed it, your camera is set to record .jpgs in sRGB, while Photoshop is set to turn RAW files into AdobeRGB.

Nope I save it as sRGB color space when resizing to upload, its set to do that on lightroom export. Same thing still happens. Facebook copies the image and downsamples it and probably converts the color profile too.

My camera is set to Adobe RGB cuz i shoot sports in jpg, but i've tried it in both. When uploading straight out of camera there's a minor difference in color but not that red hue.

Sep 13 13 09:28 am Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 2641

Glens Falls, New York, US

Huh.  Guess I don't know the answer then, unless that answer is 'Facebook sucks.'

Sep 13 13 06:01 pm Link

Photographer

Yingwah Productions

Posts: 1341

New York, New York, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
Huh.  Guess I don't know the answer then, unless that answer is 'Facebook sucks.'

It's not really facebooks fault, it's any program that doesn't read the color profile. I use a really old version of ACDSee as the default viewer on my computer cuz its super fast and i see the red after outputting an image.
What I can't figure out is why not all other peoples photos look like that. Some do, but most don't

Sep 13 13 09:35 pm Link

Photographer

1nyc_tssm

Posts: 49

Paris, Île-de-France, France

Yingwah Productions wrote:
What I can't figure out is why not all other peoples photos look like that. Some do, but most don't

Yingwah Productions wrote:
Nope I save it as sRGB color space when resizing to upload, its set to do that on lightroom export.

Yes, same.

It seems to happen more with images where I either played around with saturation or vibrance (a little up or down, for one color or all), or that I shot in a way that influences that (eg. pale colors in bright sunlight).

I recently looked at photos where the reds and greens were purposely way oversaturated, and it didn't happen there (the unintentional colorcast) in the thumbnail.

Right now I'm testing all images in 3 different browers before sending it out to anything that matters. Meh. I feel there must be an easier way.

Sep 14 13 02:12 am Link

Photographer

StevenJermaine

Posts: 65

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Is your screen calibrated? I had the same issue of seeing odd colors on browsers and I thought something was wrong with how I did the curves or saturation. Until I calibrated my screen.

Sep 14 13 08:50 am Link

Photographer

CA_Photography

Posts: 10

Los Angeles, California, US

I seem to be having the a simular issue.

My monitor is calibrated. And if I look at the image in Photoshop, Lihtroom, Preview or quicklook it looks fine. But if I view the image in a web browser it looks too saturated and red. Saving that photo from the browser to the desktop and viewing it in one of the above programs shows it in its normal state. Strangly I don't see this problem with others photos.

And even more strangely I DONT see the problem when I use my Apple laptop or iPad. (Those look fine). I only see the issue on my photos when in a browser on a desktop with none apple monitors (dell).

I export my jpegs out of photoshop making sure to select sRGB. I've also tried PNG but that didn't help either.

Sep 14 13 11:42 am Link