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Molly Hoover

Posts: 12

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Does a lot of photographers allow escorts , if not why ?

Nov 11 13 11:34 am Link

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Trisha May Photography

Posts: 304

Colchester, Connecticut, US

I do, because...why not? I always need somebody to hold my stuff for me wink

Nov 11 13 11:41 am Link

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Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 8494

Los Angeles, California, US

Great idea for a forum topic . . . !

Nov 11 13 11:42 am Link

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Hi_Spade Photography

Posts: 897

Darlington, South Carolina, US

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Nov 11 13 11:43 am Link

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jimmi L

Posts: 557

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Molly Hoover wrote:
Does a lot of photographers allow escorts , if not why ?

Here's a bit to get you started...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/sitesearch/forums

Plug in 'escorts' and you'll have plenty to look at...

Nov 11 13 11:48 am Link

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Jonathan M Hughes

Posts: 48

Plymouth, England, United Kingdom

Hi Molly,

With MM forum posts it's sometimes a good idea to Google first e.g. "Model Mayhem Escorts", some posts/topics have had much discussion.  Good luck smile

https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=898745

Nov 11 13 11:48 am Link

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Awesome Headshots

Posts: 2369

San Ramon, California, US

Here's a first hmm

Nov 11 13 11:54 am Link

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SPRINGHEEL

Posts: 38195

Gibraltar, Michigan, US

I don't because I don't need to

Nov 11 13 11:54 am Link

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Nature Coast Lightworks

Posts: 1873

Brookridge, Florida, US

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Nov 11 13 11:54 am Link

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Gippingvalleyphotograph

Posts: 41

Ipswich, England, United Kingdom

You are about to have at least three thousand replies, many of which will be a rant about this being a recurring topic.

Some allow, some don't. All for various reasons and justifications.

Me, I say no problem. Bring Mum, Dad or a supportive girlfriend and make sure they are there to support you and help me. Boy-friends are an absolute no because they disrupt a shoot and make the model self concious.

Interestingly, when I have shot with a lesbian model who had her girlfriend present, there was no such issue. Girlfriend very supportive.

If you do allow a chaperone, I would recomend you warn them they will be bored, so bring a book and be prepared top make tea and to hold things. Once again, their job is to be supportive. If you can use the chaperone they will feel involved, but the shoot is between you and the model.

Just my view.

Nov 11 13 11:59 am Link

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ontherocks

Posts: 22622

Salem, Oregon, US

we allow escorts. no major problems to report. a few grumpy boyfriends and over-excited moms.

Nov 11 13 12:17 pm Link

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Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7253

New York, New York, US

I will say you should bring someone useful like an MUA. Other than that, no baby sitters. If you don't trust, don't go. Do your homework, check references, let someone know where you are, check in via cell phone. If someone makes you feel uncomfortable, just leave. If I had a commercial space I wouldn't care, but I shoot out of my home so I always say no. I don't want some boyfriend who I never met roaming around my home. I don't want anyone arguing or fighting, I don't want drama or anyone stealing my shit when I'm not looking. They should wait out in the car or hang out nearby til we are done working.

Nov 11 13 12:28 pm Link

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CHAD ALAN

Posts: 3810

Los Angeles, California, US

Molly Hoover wrote:
Does a lot of photographers allow escorts , if not why ?

Hi Molly, what has your experience been thus far, and are you willing to go with the consensus, or will your decision be based on your own comfort level? Does your question relate to fear, worry, lack of transportation, or?

When I allow escorts:

When I'm shooting someone under 18.
When I have a good vibe about the model.

When I don't:

I hardly ever say no, but I will ask escorts to remain outside of the shooting area in some cases. It depends on my mojo that day, the level of concentration needed, and how the escort is behaving, and if they're just sitting there staring at me the whole time without speaking, etc. I have no problem kindly asking an escort if they can please vacate the studio for a while, if I feel that they are causing a distraction.

Most models that I work with come alone, all hours of the day or night.

Nov 11 13 01:10 pm Link

Model

Molly Hoover

Posts: 12

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

CHAD ALAN wrote:

Hi Molly, what has your experience been thus far, and are you willing to go with the consensus, or will your decision be based on your own comfort level? Does your question relate to fear, worry, lack of transportation, or?

When I allow escorts:

When I'm shooting someone under 18.
When I have a good vibe about the model.

When I don't:

I hardly ever say no, but I will ask escorts to remain outside of the shooting area in some cases. It depends on my mojo that day, the level of concentration needed, and how the escort is behaving, and if they're just sitting there staring at me the whole time without speaking, etc. I have no problem kindly asking an escort if they can please vacate the studio for a while, if I feel that they are causing a distraction.

Most models that I work with come alone, all hours of the day or night.

I'm just starting out so i feel very uncomfortable and sometimes my gut says no so i would like for someone to accompany me

Nov 11 13 02:29 pm Link

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Happy Guy Photos

Posts: 1145

Upland, California, US

Molly Hoover wrote:
Does a lot of photographers allow escorts , if not why ?

No, I don't allow escorts.

I'm only willing to shoot with models who are independent and have self-esteem.

Nov 11 13 02:33 pm Link

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CHAD ALAN

Posts: 3810

Los Angeles, California, US

CHAD ALAN wrote:
Hi Molly, what has your experience been thus far, and are you willing to go with the consensus, or will your decision be based on your own comfort level? Does your question relate to fear, worry, lack of transportation, or?

When I allow escorts:

When I'm shooting someone under 18.
When I have a good vibe about the model.

When I don't:

I hardly ever say no, but I will ask escorts to remain outside of the shooting area in some cases. It depends on my mojo that day, the level of concentration needed, and how the escort is behaving, and if they're just sitting there staring at me the whole time without speaking, etc. I have no problem kindly asking an escort if they can please vacate the studio for a while, if I feel that they are causing a distraction.

Most models that I work with come alone, all hours of the day or night.

Molly Hoover wrote:
I'm just starting out so i feel very uncomfortable and sometimes my gut says no so i would like for someone to accompany me

Photographers can also feel very uncomfortable and sometimes their gut will say no, so it's best to find some common ground.

Are you comfortable with escorts just being near? Does it have to be someone you know, or can the escort be any third party like a makeup artist. What if that makeup artist is also male? Would you want an escort when shooting with a female photographer?

You'll undoubtedly get some heated responses to your question.

Nov 11 13 02:34 pm Link

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BT Imagery

Posts: 1017

Cedar Falls, Iowa, US

Molly Hoover wrote:
Does a lot of photographers allow escorts , if not why ?

As long as you are alright with me bringing an escort as well! (Whether that escort has two legs or one trigger shouldn't make a difference, right?)

Nov 11 13 02:35 pm Link

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1873 Images

Posts: 366

Binghamton, New York, US

This topic is covered in the forums on a regular basis and is debated back and forth.  Some think it's wonderful and recommend not going to a public bathroom without one, others hate it and don't allow it.  Bottom line, If you require an escort you will be limiting who you can work with.

To answer you question directly one first needs to know what your definition of "many" is.

Nov 11 13 02:40 pm Link

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Christopher Barber

Posts: 59

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

I've always had great experience with a model bringing an escort -- in a recent case, the escort wound up in front of my camera on the next shoot!

Nov 11 13 02:41 pm Link

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PTPhotoUT

Posts: 1961

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Molly Hoover wrote:
I'm just starting out so i feel very uncomfortable and sometimes my gut says no so i would like for someone to accompany me

Then find a line of work you are comfortable with.

Nov 11 13 02:49 pm Link

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DAN CRUIKSHANK

Posts: 1786

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I don't allow escorts because they are an unnecessary complication and they intrude on my shooting style.

My shoots are simple, quick, and professional. I don't need a second set of hands while shooting, so I don't bring an assistant and the model doesn't bring an escort. It allows us to move quicker and get the shots we need without drawing too much attention.

And I find the need for an escort extremely unprofessional and insulting.

Just my personal opinion smile

Nov 11 13 02:54 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12837

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I don't care what kind of car a model drives, just as long as she shows up a few minutes early and ready to work.  Now if for some reason this isn't about old Ford's and instead about equally useless extras on set.. well that doesn't happen with professional models so it's a moot point.

Nov 11 13 02:56 pm Link

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1873 Images

Posts: 366

Binghamton, New York, US

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Great idea for a forum topic . . . !

I think a whole forum should be devoted to escorts so this can be debated ad nauseam there.

Nov 11 13 03:06 pm Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 8391

Olney, Maryland, US

Molly Hoover wrote:
I'm just starting out so i feel very uncomfortable and sometimes my gut says no so i would like for someone to accompany me

Follow your gut and don't accept that gig.

Nov 11 13 03:09 pm Link

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ClimaxArt

Posts: 22

New York, New York, US

i really don't understand how there is literally one thread a week on this exact topic and they all go on for 4 - 5 pages.

Nov 11 13 03:09 pm Link

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Abbitt Photography

Posts: 11735

Oakland Acres, Iowa, US

I don't have an absolute rule against escorts, but often pass on models who insist on them.  If someone sees me as a threat, I'd rather just pass on them in favor of the many models who don't.

Nov 11 13 03:10 pm Link

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PTPhotoUT

Posts: 1961

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Abbitt Photography wrote:
I don't have an absolute rule against escorts, but often pass on models who insist on them.  If someone sees me as a threat, I'd rather just pass on them in favor of the many models who don't.

Excellent point.

Nov 11 13 03:29 pm Link

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fussgangerfoto

Posts: 149

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Bottom line: If you're and adult and need to bring a bodyguard or chaperone to work, you're in the wrong line of business.

For models who're just starting out and are timid, check references and be sensible. I work with a ton of traveling professional models who move from city to city, on their own and they're remarkable, self-sufficient, confident women. They can smell a pervy, sketchy GWC from miles away.

Great idea for a thread topic, though. I'm shocked no one thought of it sooner! wink

Nov 11 13 03:51 pm Link

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Gryph

Posts: 975

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Nope.  I got robbed by one at gun point.

Nov 11 13 04:08 pm Link

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Ellis McKay

Posts: 14

Columbus, Ohio, US

It depends upon the model and photographer.  I highly encourage new MM models to take an escort to a shoot with a photographer they don't know and have no independent reliable references.  While I certainly respect the right of any photographer to refuse to allow escorts, they need to realize that for a young model new to the business, an escort can be as important a safety item as a seatbelt and airbag.

Unfortunately there are a few photographers around that simply use photography as a means for exploitation of unsuspecting models. They usually don't "publicize" their unscrupulous intentions in their MM bio. There's no item in the MM photographer's bio for "creep".

Personally, I allow escorts but have no problem in kicking and escort out of a shoot if they become disruptive.  That's happened exactly once as I set up clear ground rules for the escort well before the shoot. Most of the time the escorts, especially on remote location shoots, have been quite useful.  In fact, I've had a couple escorts who I shot while the model was changing that have gone on to become quite successful models in their own right.

Models, it's your right to ask for an escort if you feel it adds to your sense of safety and security.  While there are a few photographers that do not permit escorts, there are many more of us who understand your concerns and welcome an escort as long as they are not disruptive.

Nov 11 13 04:34 pm Link

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ChanStudio - OtherSide

Posts: 5340

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

Molly Hoover wrote:
Does a lot of photographers allow escorts , if not why ?

Oh no.. Another thread... This going to be a long thread..


OP:  Search for escort and you will see a lot of thread already created over the years.

Nov 11 13 05:22 pm Link

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Tony Lawrence

Posts: 19225

Chicago, Illinois, US

Ellis McKay wrote:
It depends upon the model and photographer.  I highly encourage new MM models to take an escort to a shoot with a photographer they don't know and have no independent reliable references.  While I certainly respect the right of any photographer to refuse to allow escorts, they need to realize that for a young model new to the business, an escort can be as important a safety item as a seatbelt and airbag.

Unfortunately there are a few photographers around that simply use photography as a means for exploitation of unsuspecting models. They usually don't "publicize" their unscrupulous intentions in their MM bio. There's no item in the MM photographer's bio for "creep".

Personally, I allow escorts but have no problem in kicking and escort out of a shoot if they become disruptive.  That's happened exactly once as I set up clear ground rules for the escort well before the shoot. Most of the time the escorts, especially on remote location shoots, have been quite useful.  In fact, I've had a couple escorts who I shot while the model was changing that have gone on to become quite successful models in their own right.

Models, it's your right to ask for an escort if you feel it adds to your sense of safety and security.  While there are a few photographers that do not permit escorts, there are many more of us who understand your concerns and welcome an escort as long as they are not disruptive.

The problem with your statement is that the better shooters tend not to allow escorts to attend shoots with models.   So most of them just work with shitty guys who do.   Not pointing fingers at you or any photographer who allows escorts.   Agency signed models aren't taking escorts to tests.   Freelance models looking for paid work lose out on most work when they demand escorts.   Perhaps a smarter way to approach this is to take a friend who can meet the photographer and return later.   Personally, I want to work with adults who don't require a safety net of friends.   Yet, I do understand models who want to bring escorts and I avoid
them.

As for safety every study about violence toward women points to boyfriends, husbands and casual dates.   How careful are women with that new cute stranger they met at the club?   You have a right to conduct your shoots as you choose and you have a right  to offer your advice about what models should do but most of the working pros and advanced amateurs I know of including the majority on this site don't allow babysitter or escorts as you would call them.

Nov 11 13 05:29 pm Link

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dragonpancakes

Posts: 82

Denver, Colorado, US

The models I've worked with so far didn't require them. I'm iffy on the idea, but if there's a model I want and that's the only way.... But I agree boyfriends / husbands can be (not always) problematic.

Nov 11 13 05:29 pm Link

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Photo Bill

Posts: 275

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I love escorts.  They serve well to hold lights!  If you need the comfort, bring an escort.

Nov 11 13 05:32 pm Link

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Robby Rockett

Posts: 85

Columbus, Ohio, US

Lots do, some don't.

Its an individual decision.

Personally no matter what sort of business is taking place I'm suspect of anyone who insists i come alone somehwere. Buying a car, installing cable, selling something, whatever. All things I've often done alone but probably would never do if the people insisted before hand that i be alone.

I can't think of a single line of legitimate business where it's generally acceptable for someone to insist that you meet them alone.

Youll often hear the same stuff from people who don't allow an escort. In my opinion they are all poor excuses to get someone alone.

Check your references; did they check their models refs before they had a problem with an escort?

Professionals don't bring them; professional shoots already have a multitude of people on set anyways and they're being done by reputable companies, not one guy in his basement.

Theyre disruptive; just a fact of life and you deal with it in an appropriate manner if and when that is the case. Family members can be disruptive to a doctors work too.

I'm sure most of us have been to a doctors office alone but would you go to a doctor for x-rays who insisted you come alone?
No matter his references or professional setting it would certainly make me uneasy.


It goes the other way too. If a model invited a photographer to come shoot them at their location and insisted they come alone how many do you think would be a little leary?
Of course i don't often see any models insisting the one photographer be the only other person on set...hmm
If i were shooting models and no-one else was going to be there id be more than happy to have my fiance on set (and theirs). At the least it would minimize the chance that some model would make any kind of false accusation against me.

Nov 11 13 05:57 pm Link

Model

Robby Rockett

Posts: 85

Columbus, Ohio, US

Ellis had the best advice i think.

Nov 11 13 06:00 pm Link

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B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

I don't.

Most of my test shoots take place at my home studio and I have no intention of letting some random stranger wander unsupervised around my home while I'm busy shooting.

Here's an excellent post by Madame Bink, one of the best known and most successful art nude models in the UK. She's been modelling (mostly nude) for 6 years and has never had a serious problem with a photographer because she uses her head and takes reasonable precautions, including checking references, before working with somebody for the first time.

Starting Modelling: Staying Safe - by Madame Bink


Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Nov 11 13 06:22 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12837

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Robby Rockett wrote:
Youll often hear the same stuff from people who don't allow an escort. In my opinion they are all poor excuses to get someone alone

Alone?  I am not sure how much modeling you have done but even a minimal set has a MUA, stylist and maybe hair stylist.  Not sure how that is considered alone.

Nov 11 13 06:34 pm Link

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ChanStudio - OtherSide

Posts: 5340

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

Robby Rockett wrote:
Lots do, some don't.

Its an individual decision.

Personally no matter what sort of business is taking place I'm suspect of anyone who insists i come alone somehwere. Buying a car, installing cable, selling something, whatever. All things I've often done alone but probably would never do if the people insisted before hand that i be alone.

I can't think of a single line of legitimate business where it's generally acceptable for someone to insist that you meet them alone.

Youll often hear the same stuff from people who don't allow an escort. In my opinion they are all poor excuses to get someone alone.

Check your references; did they check their models refs before they had a problem with an escort?

Professionals don't bring them; professional shoots already have a multitude of people on set anyways and they're being done by reputable companies, not one guy in his basement.

Theyre disruptive; just a fact of life and you deal with it in an appropriate manner if and when that is the case. Family members can be disruptive to a doctors work too.

I'm sure most of us have been to a doctors office alone but would you go to a doctor for x-rays who insisted you come alone?
No matter his references or professional setting it would certainly make me uneasy.


It goes the other way too. If a model invited a photographer to come shoot them at their location and insisted they come alone how many do you think would be a little leary?
Of course i don't often see any models insisting the one photographer be the only other person on set...hmm
If i were shooting models and no-one else was going to be there id be more than happy to have my fiance on set (and theirs). At the least it would minimize the chance that some model would make any kind of false accusation against me.

I agree.  Being alone meeting someone isn't good idea.  However, there are things that you can do.  Get the photographer's email/phone/location etc.  And you can also do reference checking and on top of that, you can also give that same info to your friend/relative etc.  Once you arrive at the photo shoot place, call your friend and once you are done, make another call to your friend.

Statically speaking.  Women are more likely rapped, killed, abused etc by someone they know, i.e. boyfriend, relatives, friends, or someone they have met many times before.

  As a photographer, I have a lot more to lose than working with model who is nervous and being alone.  Having a Make Up Artist, hair stylist and sometimes wardrobe stylist make me feel safer and more comfortable.

  Equipments aren't cheap.  You never know if someone pretending to be a model and her accomplisher would do if you are alone.  Photographers also have to worry about their safety too.  For this reason, many experienced photographers do not like to deal with new models (especially those that insisted that they have the right to bring escort).

  Working with a team is great.  You don't have to be worried about being alone and don't have to worry about other crazy stuff going on.

Nov 11 13 06:43 pm Link

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Jeff Fiore

Posts: 9224

Pelham, New York, US

AJScalzitti wrote:

Alone?  I am not sure how much modeling you have done but even a minimal set has a MUA, stylist and maybe hair stylist.  Not sure how that is considered alone.

Not necessarily with us art nude photographers. Unless a concept calls for it, I don't use a MUA or hair stylist and a stylist would be useless with a nude model smile

So basically it is just the model and I collaborating.

Nov 11 13 06:54 pm Link