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Why I dislike working with amature photographers..
Firstly, these are my opinions. Secondly, this is a rant. Thirdly, refer to the top two reasonings. Amature photographers, out to gain experience of course but why do so many of them act like such a big shot? I am an experienced model, worked full time many moons ago, got loads of paid work and a full diary, gave it up to become a mother and didn't regret it one bit. Quite recently despite my hiatas notice I've had alot of interest for TFP work. So I thought, why not, good for a laugh and I'll be helping out the newbies...... wrong! Nothing like I've encountered in my earlier modelling days! 1. 'I've got this fantastic and expensive lighting set up I want to try' turns up, oh look... it's just a umbrella with some energy saving bulbs and yet you're using the flash on your camera?? 2. 'Don't worry, I don't like to shoot nudes, my partner won't allow it' after an into the session, tries to pressure my into taking some layers off and continues to show me the distasteful nudes he took of one unwilling victim who he bragged about getting her drunk to 'relax' her. 3. 'I like to transfer sets of photos straight onto the computer'..... every 20 photos, moves into a different room to upload them onto an extreamly slow computer and starts bitching about his mate not turning up to fix it. 4. 'I'm quite nervous and haven't stopped chain smoking today'..... a 2 hour photo session and 6 cigarettes?? Are you kidding me! I ain't got time for that, and yes I counted 5. 'Sorry I haven't done your photos, my dad is ill', In fact 3 weeks after the session you've not even looked at them..... yeah I expected this one. 6. 'You're so beautiful, you have a nice smile, great legs, lovely eyes'.... please, I hate continuous flattery and compliments. Quit it already! 7. 'I'm ready to quit my day job and do this full time, do you know anyone that wants their photos taken or need a photographer for an event?' ummm stick to the day job mate, you'll be dissapointed! 8. 'Got all my backdrops ready' Yeah, I quite like the creased bedsheet look draped over a home made frame! List could go on, but I bet you're sick of reading it now! Give me a professional anyday, the ones I've worked with are amazeballs and would never have the same attitude as a amature, again, this is my opinion and experiences. Dec 18 14 02:09 am Link Just Danielle wrote: Amateurs are often better than professionals. Dec 18 14 03:52 am Link Sorry you had a bad run there. However, you shouldn't paint all amateurs with that broad brush. Dec 18 14 04:04 am Link Amateur just means someone who doesn't do it for a living. And as someone who doesn't do it for a living, this generalization kinda hurts.  Dec 18 14 04:25 am Link Just Danielle wrote:
Dec 18 14 04:29 am Link Just Danielle wrote: Get them drunk with alcohol you say... thanks for the tip. Dec 18 14 04:58 am Link 
Photographer Posts: 106 Sarajevo, Federacija Bosna i Hercegovina, Bosnia and Herzegovina to become professional you must first be amateur. same goes for models. all of us here (models and photographers) have similar experience like you did. the difference is we are not talking about it because we take it as part of the job. Dec 18 14 05:31 am Link If your safety is not threatened, if this is your job, and if you get paid, I really don't understand. Dec 18 14 05:36 am Link Yeah - Unless they do it for a living - - Talentless hacks - who should be shunned Every last One Dec 18 14 05:45 am Link What I'm talking about is amatures not knowing what the the fuck they're doing and how to use their equipment properly, thinking they're gods gift to every model that passes through the door and acting like jerks. The point I was trying to get across is, it that I'd rather work with a professional that knows the right attitude, can deliver a decent image and isn't so brazen on how they get the models to strip off. Yes I shouldn't paint all amatures the same, but so far my experiences with them are not so positive. Dec 18 14 05:48 am Link Jason Haven wrote: Hobbyist is someone who doesn't do it for a living and they can either be amature or experienced. Amature is someone who thinks they're going to make a living out of it and are new to photography in general. Dec 18 14 05:51 am Link J Jessica wrote: cute! Dec 18 14 06:00 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: I know, it's the best and most relevant one I could find. Plus, squirrels are awesome. Dec 18 14 06:02 am Link Just Danielle wrote: I could rant about amateur models, but I won't Dec 18 14 06:03 am Link I could come up with just as many stories about amateur models. But I won't. Dec 18 14 06:04 am Link Photographic Adventures wrote: Probably not advisable in the model forums, thankfully I'm not an amature so I won't get offended. Dec 18 14 06:04 am Link Your stories are amusing!  I am not a professional but I have no problems finding great models to work with. Last month 3 beautiful models and I had a shoot party. We all had a fun time. Dec 18 14 06:12 am Link This doesn't read like you're describing an amateur but what's been coined as a "guy with a camera," using photography as a mechanicism to see scantly clad/nude women they wouldn't be able to view in person otherwise. Dec 18 14 06:13 am Link It would be super awesome if photographers stopped whining on this post and actually let models talk for once. Things like this are actually helpful for newbies in identifying their own bad habits or crappy behavior. If you read that list and your feelings got hurt, it is because you see yourself in the list. Do better. Dec 18 14 06:13 am Link Farenell Photography wrote: +1 Dec 18 14 06:14 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: You may call yourself 'not a professional' but I bet you're professional when shooting? Dec 18 14 06:15 am Link PhantomShots wrote: thankyou Dec 18 14 06:17 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: That's because your work and your attitude are both terrific! Dec 18 14 06:21 am Link
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica Just Danielle wrote: It's also not advisable to place a rant in an Industry Forum either, but since you're a professional, I suppose it's okay. Dec 18 14 06:33 am Link Michelle Genevieve wrote: Thank you!! Dec 18 14 06:51 am Link Well said Danielle,you are describing a number of "photographers" i have known,and some that i unfortunatally still know. Please dont give up with the newbies. D Dec 18 14 06:59 am Link If what amateurs pay you isn't worth it to you, then don't work with them. Dec 18 14 07:03 am Link I don't know what I am, but I know I don't do those things LOL Run from the noobs... Dec 18 14 07:04 am Link Just Danielle I hear you and understand your frustration... albeit please realize that the distinction between lens-persons might be better stated as commercial entities verses those entities who don't have to worry about meeting and/or exceeding client exceptions... There is a HUGE difference between the two... That said good is a value judgement for those who aren't on the commercial side of the equation.... While those that rely on their craft for a revenue stream totally realize that "good" is in the eyes of the checkbook holder... and either they achieve or they are out of the game... btw, Photography per say isn't a profession, it is a craft... Photographers are merely service providers... That said there are "professionals" in the industry.... they hold a license to practice in their jurisdiction... and as such have undergone extensive formal training... Hair stylist, estheticians, and in many jurisdictions makeup artists... I need my cosmetologist license to work in a salon environment... While photographers are not licensed... nor do they require a college degree... albeit commercial photographers nearly without exception have "Professional" liability insurance... so there are subtle shades of gray in the "status" equation... Oft the metric used by many in the industry is "Publication" i.e. being able to have one's work acknowledged by the editors and/or art directors of major magazines... but again in a era of "self" publication this credential has become so devalued as to lack authority... And then there is "celebrity" validation... early on I was in a hurry to collaborate with celebrities thinking that it would elevate my perceived value in the marketplace... and for awhile it helped attain bridal clientele... but they are in reality "retail" clients... And agencies aren't as easily impressed since fame does not trump credentials nor expertise... Just Danielle wrote: Just Danielle this statement is indicative of one with a not so creative attitude... Team synergy is an aggregate component of the creative energy that all players bring to the mix... if even one is lackadaisical it can/will bring down an entire team, trust me here.... after hundreds of sessions I can assure you it is real... Possibly rethinking your initial mindset might be a wise investment here... Dec 18 14 07:20 am Link One should learn from experiences. Generalising single experiences isn't learning. It's just generalising. Dec 18 14 07:37 am Link J Jessica wrote: And very tasty as well!!:-q Dec 18 14 07:46 am Link salvatori. wrote: It's posted in the model colloquy actually, and yes you read right, I'm not accepting shoots, well done for reading. Dec 18 14 07:48 am Link When was MM ever a professional site for professionals. Dec 18 14 08:00 am Link Sometimes the truth stings a little...lol Dec 18 14 08:00 am Link Just Danielle wrote: Many models fall into that category as well. Dec 18 14 08:06 am Link Just Danielle wrote: This is an industry forum. If you want to rant, it needs to be put in the OT forum. Dec 18 14 08:34 am Link Just Danielle wrote: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Dec 18 14 09:01 am Link |
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