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Brian Scanlon wrote: The list of names associated with the calendars is impressive, but even so I would be surprised anybody would ever get a $10MM fee for posing. I googled the topic but didn''t find quick info regarding models'' and photographers'' fees. I am curious to know how much these celebrities might have been paid, but given their egos the publisher might keep that information confidential. Dec 23 14 01:01 pm Link Figures Jen B wrote: You''d need to explain that for me to understand, if you can be bothered. I don''t know what ''the sole determinant of a photo is the photographer'' means. Dec 23 14 01:52 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: I absolutely agree. In my case, My "model", Jantana, was not on Model Mayhem, did not declare the type of shoot she would be willing to do, and I dropped the issue when she said no to nudity. I became her friend, and shooting nude was her idea, after she got accustomed to me. There are all sorts of situations one runs into when dealing with people. Dec 25 14 08:32 pm Link TMG wrote: art can be shot without a big budget and what you describe as basement sleaze, can be shot with big budget. Its the photographer of the work that determines what the work will look like, not the budget or location. Dec 26 14 07:01 am Link Jen B wrote: Thank you. Yes, I'd agree with that. Dec 26 14 03:00 pm Link The essence of my question is: If a hugely popular publication asked you to break your moral code, would you? In general, I'd never be interested in anything 'edgy' that involved sh*t, p*ss, animals, children or dead people That 'moral compass' is, for me, immovable and 'money/fame' independent Nude seems a much 'softer' area - with blurred lines all over the place If Pirelli/Vogue came a knocking, would your moral compass still point 'due north'? Dec 29 14 03:33 am Link I ticked "yes" to nudes as that's what I predominantly shoot, however, it really means "selective yes." I instinctively know if i want to work with someone when i look at their work and will equally decline if I don't like what I see. Dec 29 14 06:59 am Link PR Zone wrote: What do you mean by the dead people point? Like, snuff porn? What are your thoughts on Andres Serrano or Joel-Peter Witkin? Dec 29 14 01:39 pm Link Carl Herbert wrote: If someone's choice to not shoot nude is on principle and then they do it for money then their principle ruse is bull. Dec 29 14 05:40 pm Link Jen B wrote: Don't necessarily. Dec 30 14 01:11 am Link J Andrescavage Photo wrote: These are the area that just don't interest me... To be honest, I could often add landscapes to that list (but they're not so edgy :-) ) Jan 01 15 07:41 pm Link PR Zone wrote: If someone were to break their own moral code for money then it wasn't really a moral code, was it? If it "was" a moral code and they sold out then their morality has gaping holes and they are hypocrites. Jan 02 15 08:05 am Link Jen B wrote: I don't know, it depends what could be achieved by breaking it. Jan 02 15 08:53 am Link F O R B E S wrote: I have had models in my apartment after a shoot suddenly decide a topless or nude image was something they wanted and informed me by removing their clothes. As long as I maintain my 'disinterested doctor type' attitude they are comfortable. Jan 02 15 09:21 am Link I have checked NO because, what usually happens here on MM, is that I only get requests for nudes and that's not my field of interest. If it is a good photographer, íf it's an interesting concept and íf it doesn't just focus on me being nude (so it needs to have some sort of story) then I will think about it. Besides; it is easier to explain to someone that you actually ticked in NO but will make an exception now, then to explain NO while you ticked in YES. A lot of photographers are easily stepped on their toes if you do shoot nudes but just not with them. So it's basically for your own protection to not just have constant requests to do nudes, especially if it's not your interest. Jan 05 15 04:19 am Link JadeDRed wrote: I think it would be immoral to ask you to cheat for the purpose of feeding and educating 1000 starving children. The act of selflessness of feeding the children is morally negated by the selfish act of imposing a selfish stipulation upon someone else to be the motive for action. Do what is right because it is what is right. Jan 05 15 07:24 am Link Or you could just cast someone who checked yes. Jan 05 15 09:28 am Link Risen Phoenix Photo wrote: If a model checks off "no" for nudity, 95-99% the model means it. You can still try and you may be a supergood photographer and the model will be sooo impressed and say yes. But 95-99% of the time the model will think you're a dick. Besides, there are so many models who tick off "yes" anyway. So why cause yourself problems? Nov 02 18 02:38 pm Link BODYSHOP FEETURES wrote: probably not anymore, given the existence of the private female models only forum that was recently introduced. Nov 02 18 06:12 pm Link Answering the OP's question: I'm sure there are some models who would choose the publicity & modelling fee to pose nude when otherwise not a nude model. MM only has a YES or NO option but models who would consider nude work depending on who or what for,can state this in their bio. Nov 03 18 01:07 am Link you need to ask the model directly if she could pose nude for you or not, i did a nude photoshoot with a beautiful model,and i will never ever post the pictures because i respect her privacy. Dec 06 18 07:01 pm Link As I model I do nudes on a few conditions 1. I always look at their port 1st to see if they are capable of capturing me correctly in my eye. 2. Id like to do a get shoot with them first to get a vibe 3. They need to understand my limitations Dec 06 18 07:12 pm Link A good approach for some models might be to keep two MM profiles: one for routine work; one for art. Dec 07 18 07:17 am Link Not long ago it was a misdemeanor to ask a model to shoot nude if he/she had checked "no nudes' in his/her MM profile. I wonder if this is still in effect. Dec 07 18 07:29 am Link Mark Salo wrote: If you are polite about it, I don't see any harm. But, I would not do that in general, as I expect it might lead to a high "flake" rate. Dec 07 18 08:05 am Link Dec 07 18 11:43 am Link That was the cheapest spammy assed thing have ever seen on this site and you site would not back out, I had to unclick the browser to get out of that spammy assed site of yours. Come at me bro. Dec 08 18 12:28 am Link For pirelli calendar, of course yes. It’s not only a matter of pay, but usually behind this there’s always a top ph and team, which means you will be doing a prestigious work, plus there’s really good exposure. Dec 08 18 08:48 am Link This is called pushing levels. It is absolutely on cool. Model should be free to clearly state that her levels and work with in them. Photographers Should respect those levels and hire models That meet their creative needs. Someone said “thrill of the chase”. Work out your kinky stuff elsewhere. Dec 08 18 04:34 pm Link Randy Poe wrote: It was posted 4 years ago... Dec 10 18 09:54 pm Link Model marks "no" - I don't ask. I don't suggest or bring up the subject. Not before or during the actual shoot. If she brings it up during the shoot - we discuss of course. You have to be respectful and honor is a big deal to me. Portraits, Photographs are not a picture of someone, they are "about someone" .. if you know this then you are a good photographer and model. Dec 20 18 07:37 am Link Picturesque Imagery wrote: Agreed! I never have approached a 'no' model and asked her/him about a nude shoot. But I have worked with a couple of models who responded to casting calls that were nude even though they clicked 'no'. I have worked with other models who formerly clicked 'yes', later changed to 'no' but still worked with me. One specifically said she was tired of some of the messages she was getting. But this model did indeed go 'no really means no' a couple of years after that. Dec 26 18 08:04 pm Link There are many models who already shoot nudes. Those are the models that I work with! Dec 26 18 10:33 pm Link My policy is simply if the profile says no, I will never ask. I have experienced models with "no" in their profile approach me to shoot nude. That's ok, and under those circumstances, I sometimes will. But even then, I do not ask about other nude gigs, if their profile still says no. There are plenty of models who make no bones about shooting nude. There is no need to bother the others with such a request. Dec 27 18 07:05 am Link My take is that what the model writes her profile takes precedence over the "Nudes yes/no" checkbox. So if the model wrote "I only do nudity in PAID shoots - NOT TFP!" then I'll feel free about asking her for a paid shoot with nudity, even if she checked "no" in the "shoots nudes" box. Now this works the other way as well: If the model has Yes checked, but her profile states "I am not doing nudes at this time" or "I only do implied nudity" then I don't ask for a shoot that includes visible nudity. Also, in my pitch to a "no nudity" model I will include something like "I normally take some topless photos in my shoots, but since you've checked 'no nudes' this will be a no-nudes photoshoot." I see this as a courtesy. It shows that I have actually read the model's profile and am willing to accept her no-nudes stipulation. Trying to "renegotiate" after agreeing to a no-nudes photoshoot is just rude. Dec 27 18 08:08 am Link Sablesword wrote: You could also respect what they have written and add a line something to the effect of, "In the future if your policy ever changes please let me know". Dec 27 18 05:33 pm Link About five years after I did a nude shoot with someone, she wrote to me and asked if I would mind removing them from my portfolio. Her kid had gotten old enough to use the internet, and she was concerned that he'd come across them. She no longer did nude shoots, and had recently changed her profile from "Yes" to "No." I complied. I don't want anyone to be uncomfortable with work that we did together. Legally, I have the rights to publish them, but to me, that's besides the point. I want enthusiastic collaborators. When I shoot nudes with someone, I want them to have a "Hell yes!" attitude, not be on the fence. Financial situations change, and so someone compromising their values for short-term financial gain isn't likely to be something they will feel good about forever. For these reasons and more, I assume that "No" means "No," and I won't push that boundary. My preference for nude shoots is that either they have "Yes" checked or that they answer my "Call," and explain that they check "No" on their profiles just to filter out the perverts. Dec 30 18 07:51 am Link |