Hansen wrote:
Idiots never stop trying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/30 … 82524.html

I hear they might get lured in with milk & cookies laced with Crown Royal.

Models be safe, and beware

Idiots never stop trying.

white knights never stop white knighting

Cherrystone wrote:

I hear they might get lured in with milk & cookies laced with Crown Royal.

do you lace the milk or the cookies?

Jeffrey Rue-Manic Panda wrote:
This is the Exact reason why Models under the age of 18 MUST Must MUST ****Be accompanied by a parent or Guardian at least the First Time**** and feel completely comfortable with them. although at the same time..Caution should ALWAYS be taken to ensure safety.

Make sure the person wanting to Photograph you has an "Occupational License" registered with the town and the residence you are going to meet at is known to be a "Place of Business"

Yeah, great advice, but does the occupational license permit, or prohibit, lacing cookies with Crown Royal?

Also, I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people claiming to own photo and video businesses that really can't, or don't, shoot video or stills. I'll bet they use it as a ruse. In fact, 90% of the public may be doing exactly that, at this very moment.

Jeffrey Rue-Manic Panda wrote:
This is the Exact reason why Models under the age of 18 MUST Must MUST ****Be accompanied by a parent or Guardian at least the First Time**** and feel completely comfortable with them. although at the same time..Caution should ALWAYS be taken to ensure safety.

Make sure the person wanting to Photograph you has an "Occupational License" registered with the town and the residence you are going to meet at is known to be a "Place of Business"

ACTUALLY....

the EXACT reason why models under the age of 18 typically are asked to be accompanied is because legally they cannot consent if they have not reached the age of majority in the location (unless they are an emancipated minor), so an someone who can sign legal documents on their behalf is often requested.

Everything else is more just your opinion than fact.

Better advice would be that caution and common sense are advisable at EVERY age.

Due diligence, checking references and following the long list of the genuinely good suggestions (which have been rehashed until the cows come home)  are what works to help with safety.

Hansen wrote:
Idiots never stop trying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/30 … 82524.html

Thank You Hanson...The World is a Better Place.

Giacomo Cirrincioni wrote:

do you lace the milk or the cookies?

Seriously?
I would never adulterate choco chip cookies or Crown Royal.

Daren King wrote:
Wait, is this man an actual photographer or was he just using it as a ruse ?

If he isn't a photographer then I don't see how models should worry about this.   Anyone can use any ruse to lure someone.  The fact is EVERYONE, male or female, 14 or 45 should be weary about going to the home of random strangers they met 2 minutes ago.

pretty much this.

Common sense seems so rare it really is a super power.

Abbitt Photography wrote:
And be careful driving to shoots.  With over 35,000 road fatalities per year and many times that number of serious injuries, driving to a shoot, is probably much more dangerous than any dangers faced at most shoots.

Also beware of falling light stands, chiggers, dehydration, sprained ankles and the many other potential risks models mention in this thread:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/forums/post/929531

Everything in life has some risk.  This woman was hit by a piece of satellite debris as it fell to earth.  Consider this risk when doing outdoor shoots.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/ … tell-tale/

I like this one, but watch out for falling meteors, they can be hell ! Honestly, I can't believe some of the fear of basic living I'm seeing here. I just live, enjoy, don't worry about much of anything, am receiving Social Security, and am still alive !
-Don

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:

Thank You Hanson...The World is a Better Place.

What's the vacuum for.?  Oh, wait. On 2nd thought I'm not sure I really want to know.

Hansen wrote:
Idiots never stop trying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/30 … 82524.html

Nothing in the story states that the person is/was a photographer. 
The underage female victim was not described as being a model.  Just a pretty, young, (naive) female on a bus/streetcar, whatever they have.

It is the responsibility of parents to teach their children how to respond (or how not to respond) to strangers trying to lure them for devious purposes.  Sadly, not all parents are of equal ability, quality, etc.  So, incidents like this have occurred for ages and will likely continue to occur for ages more. 

No matter what his "occupation" may be, the dirt bag needs to be removed from society (one way or another).   The real label for him is "Predator"

Light and Lens Studio wrote:

Nothing in the story states that the person is/was a photographer. 
The underage female victim was not described as being a model.  Just a pretty, young, (naive) female on a bus/streetcar, whatever they have.

It is the responsibility of parents to teach their children how to respond (or how not to respond) to strangers trying to lure them for devious purposes.  Sadly, not all parents are of equal ability, quality, etc.  So, incidents like this have occurred for ages and will likely continue to occur for ages more. 

No matter what his "occupation" may be, the dirt bag needs to be removed from society (one way or another).   The real label for him is "Predator"

Dude "posed" as a photographer!  Dude looks pretty freaky with that wild red hair!  Sorry a 16 year old was so naive as to believe his bullshit.  Not a model.  Not a photographer.   Nothing here having to do with real "General Industry!"

Patrick Walberg wrote:

Dude "posed" as a photographer!  Dude looks pretty freaky with that wild red hair!  Sorry a 16 year old was so naive as to believe his bullshit.  Not a model.  Not a photographer.   Nothing here having to do with real "General Industry!"

this isn't a site that is primarily composed of professional models or photographers.

Cherrystone wrote:

Seriously?
I would never adulterate choco chip cookies or Crown Royal.

+1

Rays Fine Art wrote:
While I get as tired of the fear mongering and white knighting as the next guy, at the same time I do feel that it is incumbent on those of us, models, photographers, MUAs, all of us, to do what we can to pass along what we've learned about safety and safe practices to the newbies coming along.  And not just new models but new photographers, MUAs, etc.

Whether model photography is a hobby or a business, there is an enhanced perception of both glamour and danger within the activity that can, and sometimes does, lead to real problems of many sorts.  These problems are not unique to the industry but because of the heightened perception, it behooves all of us to do what we can to put them into perspective for the newcomers with whom we come into contact.  We can all contribute by simply discussing these things, including the sometimes silly things we see on TV and the net, realistically and objectively, both in the forums and in person. 

We are not out brother's keeper, but it doesn't hurt to be his concerned friend.

All IMHO as always, of course.

I agree Ray.  The incident this thread is based on has nothing to do with a model and photographer.  I think people pointing that out is indeed putting safety in a proper perspective.    Certainly people should practice risk management - accurately assessing the risks they face and making an informed decision.  Constant fear mongering about one potential risk while ignoring all other potential risks however is not that.

Daren King wrote:
Wait, is this man an actual photographer or was he just using it as a ruse ?

If he isn't a photographer then I don't see how models should worry about this.   Anyone can use any ruse to lure someone.  The fact is EVERYONE, male or female, 14 or 45 should be weary about going to the home of random strangers they met 2 minutes ago.

L O C U T U S wrote:
EVERYONE, BE SAFE.
SAFE IS NICE.

Ted Bundy was nice. Until he wasn't.

Jeffrey Rue-Manic Panda wrote:
Make sure the person wanting to Photograph you has an "Occupational License" registered with the town and the residence you are going to meet at is known to be a "Place of Business"

Really, this is the most foolish advice I've seen all day.

Jeffrey Rue-Manic Panda
Make sure the person wanting to Photograph you has an "Occupational License" registered with the town and the residence you are going to meet at is known to be a "Place of Business"[/quote wrote:

matt-h2 wrote:
Really, this is the most foolish advice I've seen all day.

Only a very few are so anal, and would waste the time anyway.
-Don

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Photographers be safe and aware
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/09/justi … t-killing/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … owner.html

This entire thread is kinda ridiculous, because the OP is about a phony (read; FAKE)  using the disguise of a "photographer" with a minor who was not a model, yet she was naive enough to fall for it.  However the only thing that we can say is "Don't be naive!"  While those that are most likely to fall for such crimes (what he did was criminal) ARE NOT likely to be reading these forums. 

I also am quite aware of the other two incidences where prostitutes killed their Johns (NOT photographers) and the connection they had to this website was that both did have profiles on here.  Amanda was someone I talked with about doing a photo shoot.  I never spoke to her about doing pornography, or having a sex party, or drugs .. which she was apparently leading a double life unknown to any of us who had communication with her.  The other young woman was too close to home for me as she is accused of overdosing the executive with heroin on his yacht in Santa Cruz, a location I have shot around many times.  Depending on what happens in court, she could be found guilty of murder.  So both those incidents did not involve modeling or photographers.

Much of this is common sense.  If someone is committing murder, robbery, rape or any number of crimes, they are not doing photography or modeling.  They are criminals.  The fact is that people in many occupations can be criminals, including police officers.  Be careful?  Well sure ... but consider that the two men who died in the above two links were engaging criminal activity themselves ... I dunno?  Be careful when engaging in sex or drugs with prostitutes?  Sounds like a plan!  How about not engaging in illegal activity?  Maybe I'm being too straight lace. 

IF any models here are sexually molested, or otherwise in a situation where a photographer from this website does something inappropriate to you, if it is criminal, report it to the police.  If you are not sure, or if it might not be a crime, but it still could be against the rules of behavior, then Contact A Moderator on this website.  Don't bring it to the forum.

Jeffrey Rue-Manic Panda wrote:
Make sure the person wanting to Photograph you has an "Occupational License" registered with the town and the residence you are going to meet at is known to be a "Place of Business"

I am a semi-retired photographer who shoots exclusively for art and work out of my apartment. Should models be afraid of me?

Light and Lens Studio wrote:

What's the vacuum for.?  Oh, wait. On 2nd thought I'm not sure I really want to know.

The vacuum is hooked up to the rear of the shield, and sucks up the blood and guts after the slaying.

salvatori. wrote:

I am a semi-retired photographer who shoots exclusively for art and work out of my apartment. Should models be afraid of me?

Absolutely, you are NOT credentialed ! (show me your papers).
-Don

Daren King wrote:
Wait, is this man an actual photographer or was he just using it as a ruse ?

If he isn't a photographer then I don't see how models should worry about this.   Anyone can use any ruse to lure someone.  The fact is EVERYONE, male or female, 14 or 45 should be weary about going to the home of random strangers they met 2 minutes ago.

100% agree with this. It doesn't matter what the excuse he used was, really. You should never go to a stranger's home by yourself.

But she was just a kid and kids always think it won't happen to them.

Poor girl, it's a tough way to learn.