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Photographybyjared
Posts: 4
Chicago, Illinois, US
Oaky it seams there is a photographer out there that wants to do Artistic nudity but they want the male and female to have sexual contact (told them everything but actual sex) during the shoot. The models don't like this but are playing along for now but trying to get it understood they wont be doing that. Now there is other ways to achieve the desired look I think the guys trying for. Does this sound at even all right to any body because to me it sounds like soft core porn?
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Leonard Gee Photography
Posts: 18096
Sacramento, California, US
Photographybyjared wrote:
wants to do Artistic nudity but they want the male and female to have sexual contact (told them everything but actual sex) during the shoot. bill clinton? define: sexual contact
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Viator Defessus Photos
Posts: 1259
Houston, Texas, US
Photographybyjared wrote:
Oaky it seams there is a photographer out there that wants to do Artistic nudity but they want the male and female to have sexual contact (told them everything but actual sex) during the shoot. The models don't like this but are playing along for now but trying to get it understood they wont be doing that. Now there is other ways to achieve the desired look I think the guys trying for. Does this sound at even all right to any body because to me it sounds like soft core porn? I'm confused as to how you become involved in this. Why are these models coming to you asking you questions about what this other guy who you presumably know nothing about is doing?
Since we're getting this as a 3rd hand, he-said-she-said-he-said situation its hard to say anything about what this guy is actually doing or trying to accomplish. There's no way of knowing what's been lost in translation and repetition.
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 10604
Los Angeles, California, US
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Posts: 26552
Mildenhall, England, United Kingdom
 Moderator Note! Photographybyjared wrote:
Oaky it seams there is a photographer out there that wants to do Artistic nudity but they want the male and female to have sexual contact (told them everything but actual sex) during the shoot. The models don't like this but are playing along for now but trying to get it understood they wont be doing that. Now there is other ways to achieve the desired look I think the guys trying for. Does this sound at even all right to any body because to me it sounds like soft core porn? If the model(s) were initially contacted via MM, have them contact the mods here on MM (https://www.modelmayhem.com/contactamod) and have a chat with them. Soliciting talent to shoot sexual content would almost certainly be considered a violation of MM's "No Adult Networking" and be actionable by the Mods.
That's a likely a far better course of action for them to take, than to have you debate the matter here in the forums.
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Photographybyjared
Posts: 4
Chicago, Illinois, US
I just thought it was off to ask and odd for somone to do a shoot that way so I figured I'd ask some ppl who have seen more then me. I was going to tell him and her not to do it that way and if the photog has an issue with it then they clearly dont need to shoot with that dude.
Yeah I was asked if that is normal for any types of artisitic nudity and I was like does not sound artistic to me even if he is trying to capture a sexual chemistry and sexual energy did not sound right to me.
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Mark Salo
Posts: 11723
Olney, Maryland, US
Photographybyjared wrote:
The models don't like this but are playing along for now but trying to get it understood they wont be doing that. Everything about this sounds so sketchy.
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Josie Lee
Posts: 768
San Diego, California, US
Photographybyjared wrote:
I just thought it was off to ask and odd for somone to do a shoot that way so I figured I'd ask some ppl who have seen more then me. I was going to tell him and her not to do it that way and if the photog has an issue with it then they clearly dont need to shoot with that dude.
Yeah I was asked if that is normal for any types of artisitic nudity and I was like does not sound artistic to me even if he is trying to capture a sexual chemistry and sexual energy did not sound right to me. Red flags
There are so many photographers out there who can do enticing shots with
that kind of sensual energy. They don't need to shoot with that guy. He wants
to shoot soft core. Or something too close to it. Shots like that never
benefit the model.
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Fleming Design
Posts: 1380
East Hartford, Connecticut, US
Jared,
Are the two models the same models who pose together in your portfolio? The other photographer may just want them to look more alive, more passionate, more connected than in your photos. Beautiful shots of couples intertwined in some manner doesn't mean it is soft core porn any more than a couple dancing together nude would be.
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Lallure Photographic
Posts: 2086
Taylors, South Carolina, US
Don't assume until you know more details, than you have shared in your question.
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toesup
Posts: 1240
Grand Junction, Colorado, US
The models need to get the photographer to define, in more detail, exactly what he (or she) is trying to achieve in the pictures..
I worked with a female and male model a couple of years ago, Aleksa and Aleksandr, where I wanted them to look as if they were in the process of sexual contact, but with careful positioning, of them, the camera and lighting, virtually nothing would be showing..
Seeing as both models were from the Ukraine and I'm a Brit, we had to have a LONG and DETAILED, difficult discussion prior to the shoot (and during, showing them the results) explaining that NO actual sexual contact would be required... only 'as if' they were in the process of making love.
I (and they) think we achieved the results we all had in mind without showing any 'naughty bits' whatsoever and several of the shots from the shoot are on my portfolio.
As others have said, done correctly, shots like this CAN be beautiful.. Done incorrectly, they descend in to porn..
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Photographybyjared wrote:
Oaky it seams there is a photographer out there that wants to do Artistic nudity but they want the male and female to have sexual contact (told them everything but actual sex) during the shoot. The models don't like this but are playing along for now but trying to get it understood they wont be doing that. Now there is other ways to achieve the desired look I think the guys trying for. Does this sound at even all right to any body because to me it sounds like soft core porn? There's a big difference between Intimate contact and Sexual contact.
I'm here looking like sexy stuff is going on with the males, but actually not even our party bits were anywhere near each other's bikini zones. It was still intimate touch.. Knowmean?
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https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/29576724
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https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31193081
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 39248
Portland, Oregon, US
Amadea T wrote:
There's a big difference between Intimate contact and Sexual contact.
I'm here looking like sexy stuff is going on with the males, but actually not even our party bits were anywhere near each other's bikini zones. It was still intimate touch.. Knowmean?
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https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/29576724
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https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31193081 Exactly what I was thinking.
As the OP described it, I can imagine something totally inappropriate (and against MM's rules) yet at the same time I can ALSO imagine someone being very inarticulate with language and meaning things/work like Amadea linked.
Potentially even more intimate and erotic, what some may call "sexual" but not actually meaning simulating sex, but even then there is art and there is non-art.
Too many people confusing assumptions for facts. It may be as "porny" as it sounds but it also might not be, especially having an outside, third-party telling us the story.
Knee-jerk, jump to conclusions and quickly pulling the trigger really does not benefit any of us in the long run, except that we seem to be eager for opportunities to rush to grab pitchforks and tar.
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Good Egg Productions
Posts: 16713
Orlando, Florida, US
Josie Lee wrote:
Red flags
There are so many photographers out there who can do enticing shots with
that kind of sensual energy. They don't need to shoot with that guy. He wants
to shoot soft core. Or something too close to it. Shots like that never
benefit the model. Of course they can. If the benefit is a big wad of cash for the shoot.
This is at best, 3rd party information as filtered through a different 3rd party. This shoot COULD be creepy softcore porn for personal spankbank material or even for sale on hundreds of websites. OR, it could be very artistic, gallery level images that a model would be absolutely proud to be a part of. Or anything in between.
Unless this photographer is directly involved in the shoot, it's probably best to stay out of it. This is a negotiation between the photographer and the models. If they can't come to an agreement, then it's on them to not participate.
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