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Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

First off, I mean no disrespect to the retoucher nor am I trying to copy their style. There are certain things I'd like to add to my own skillset though. That being said, how do you think this person achieves that "soft look." It's hard to describe what I mean, but I see a softness with sharpness in the right areas. Particularly in the first two photos. The actual retouching itself is a no-brainer but the softness to the image is what's a mystery to me.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/35169649
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/37808719
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/35554136
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/37814770

Mar 15 15 03:37 am Link

Photographer

A_Nova_Photography

Posts: 8652

Winston-Salem, North Carolina, US

I'd assume a light hand with the smudge tool...

Mar 15 15 09:35 am Link

Digital Artist

Phoenix Fate Design

Posts: 64

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Photography by Sean wrote:
First off, I mean no disrespect to the retoucher nor am I trying to copy their style. There are certain things I'd like to add to my own skillset though. That being said, how do you think this person achieves that "soft look." It's hard to describe what I mean, but I see a softness with sharpness in the right areas. Particularly in the first two photos. The actual retouching itself is a no-brainer but the softness to the image is what's a mystery to me.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/35169649
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/37808719
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/35554136
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/37814770

That woman is scary good. And, not meant in a snarky way, but have you tried speaking to her directly? She might be able and willing to provide you with a few tutorials or literature that can help you achieve that look or something like it.

And if that goes well, ask her if it's okay for you to share it because I would love to know as well.

Mar 15 15 12:04 pm Link

Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Burn The Ashes wrote:

That woman is scary good. And, not meant in a snarky way, but have you tried speaking to her directly? She might be able and willing to provide you with a few tutorials or literature that can help you achieve that look or something like it.

And if that goes well, ask her if it's okay for you to share it because I would love to know as well.

I tried and came up empty. I got the whole "I don't speak good English" routine but ironically, this person spoke pretty well when I attempted to hire them.

Mar 15 15 02:26 pm Link

Retoucher

CLICK retouch

Posts: 235

Denver, Colorado, US

It comes down to dodge and burn(essentially painting) and color adjustments. But really, most of the look is based on luminosity(painting with light).

Mar 15 15 03:06 pm Link

Digital Artist

Koray

Posts: 6720

Ankara, Ankara, Turkey

you can achive that soft look by making a blurred copy, setting to overlay and readjusting the dark and light values and masking out the areas that needs to remain sharp.

overlay is just a start you can try other blend modes too. the image will become very contrast(y) when you first change the blend mode. thats why you'll need to readjust to open up shadows and tone down the lights.
or you can adjust the original in a way so that when the overlay is applied the overall contrast will look pleasing.

here is another aprroach I found with a quick search:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FlZBWaO2k

Mar 15 15 04:07 pm Link

Photographer

martin b

Posts: 2770

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

That totally rocks.

Mar 15 15 06:19 pm Link

Retoucher

CLICK retouch

Posts: 235

Denver, Colorado, US

Koray wrote:
you can achive that soft look by making a blurred copy, setting to overlay and readjusting the dark and light values and masking out the areas that needs to remain sharp.

overlay is just a start you can try other blend modes too. the image will become very contrast(y) when you first change the blend mode. thats why you'll need to readjust to open up shadows and tone down the lights.
or you can adjust the original in a way so that when the overlay is applied the overall contrast will look pleasing.

here is another aprroach I found with a quick search:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FlZBWaO2k

My God. Don't do that to any image. Ever.

Mar 15 15 06:46 pm Link

Digital Artist

Koray

Posts: 6720

Ankara, Ankara, Turkey

CLICK retouch wrote:
My God. Don't do that to any image. Ever.

ok people...the authority has spoken...dont do it...follow his lead and his lead only and dodge and burn aka paint with light only evilgrin

Mar 16 15 02:08 am Link

Retoucher

Adriano De Sena

Posts: 305

London, England, United Kingdom

Koray wrote:
ok people...the authority has spoken...dont do it...follow his lead and his lead only and dodge and burn aka paint with light only evilgrin

Actually he or she uses OIL paint effect and you can see it clearly. Your link shows a totally different thing.
Maybe he can draw hairs but mostly OIL effect.

Mar 16 15 03:31 am Link

Digital Artist

Koray

Posts: 6720

Ankara, Ankara, Turkey

Christian Bela wrote:

Actually he or she uses OIL paint effect and you can see it clearly. Your link shows a totally different thing.
Maybe he can draw hairs but mostly OIL effect.

you mean this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwx0L59WjrY
or these:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ … +photoshop

but still the authority says dont do it and offered us the one and only true advice so we shall follow his evilgrin

Mar 16 15 04:17 am Link

Digital Artist

Koray

Posts: 6720

Ankara, Ankara, Turkey

Christian Bela wrote:

Actually he or she uses OIL paint effect and you can see it clearly. Your link shows a totally different thing.
Maybe he can draw hairs but mostly OIL effect.

by the way...you actually have at least if not more images in your portfolio that if explained could help the OP to achieve the results he is after. but instead of trying to help him you try to point out that I'm wrong.
I am never wrong...but you are not helping either evilgrin

Mar 16 15 04:27 am Link

Retoucher

Adriano De Sena

Posts: 305

London, England, United Kingdom

Koray wrote:
you mean this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwx0L59WjrY
or these:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ … +photoshop

but still the authority says dont do it and offered us the one and only true advice so we shall follow his evilgrin

Yeah the links are correct and can give a good start. The hair is definitely drawn..
Or still possible I was wrong and he never used OIL effect at all smile
I would not say "don't use this or that" because different people different perspective.

Mar 16 15 04:30 am Link

Photographer

cwwmbm

Posts: 558

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I've worked with her and can confirm that a) She (Sofia) speaks some english, but not a lot, and b) she's great to work with; very professional.

Mar 16 15 08:56 am Link

Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

cwwmbm wrote:
I've worked with her and can confirm that a) She (Sofia) speaks some english, but not a lot, and b) she's great to work with; very professional.

The person may be very professional but there's no way I'd agree to her terms.

Mar 16 15 01:21 pm Link

Digital Artist

Phoenix Fate Design

Posts: 64

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Koray wrote:

you mean this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwx0L59WjrY
or these:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ … +photoshop

but still the authority says dont do it and offered us the one and only true advice so we shall follow his evilgrin

I watched that first one and that's a great technique but here's the problem I'm having: Oil paint in CC is gone and I'm not sure how to get the Camera RAW feature in 6. I've been using the Grey plug-in for Oil Paint in CC, however it's not as user friendly as Oil Paint was. Suggestions?

Mar 16 15 03:43 pm Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Burn The Ashes wrote:
Oil paint in CC is gone

Adobe don't remove anything.

Mar 16 15 06:00 pm Link

Digital Artist

Phoenix Fate Design

Posts: 64

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Tulack wrote:

Adobe don't remove anything.

https://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom … aning.html

Mar 17 15 12:05 am Link

Digital Artist

Phoenix Fate Design

Posts: 64

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Also wanted to post the forum telling you how to get plug-in I was talking about, in case anyone wanted it. It's comparable, but takes some practice: https://www.modelmayhem.com/forums/post/926714

Mar 17 15 12:10 am Link

Photographer

Tulack

Posts: 836

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Burn The Ashes wrote:
https://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom … aning.html

I see. I don't have 2014, but CC still has oil paint filter.

Mar 17 15 01:03 am Link

Digital Artist

Ana-Maria Nedelea

Posts: 120

Oneşti, Bacău, Romania

Is scary that some people want to copy those styles in retouching, more scary is that this digital painting is encourage . But ....de gustibus non est disputandum .

Mar 17 15 02:32 am Link

Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Ana-Maria Nedelea wrote:
Is scary that some people want to copy those styles in retouching, more scary is that this digital painting is encourage . But ....de gustibus non est disputandum .

If you could read and understand English, you would see that I stated CLEARLY that my intentions isn't to copy this person's style. I was interested only in a certain effect. Therefore, shut the fuck up and speak only when you know what you're talking about.

Mar 17 15 02:50 am Link

Digital Artist

Ana-Maria Nedelea

Posts: 120

Oneşti, Bacău, Romania

Photography by Sean wrote:
If you could read and understand English, you would see that I stated CLEARLY that my intentions isn't to copy this person's style. I was interested only in a certain effect. Therefore, shut the fuck up and speak only when you know what you're talking about.

Are you crazy? Need some pills , lol...find some medical institution something for frustration and anger management. You made my day big_smile

p.s i saw your portfolio so I start to understand why you like garbage. big_smile

Mar 17 15 06:59 am Link

Photographer

LA StarShooter

Posts: 2730

Los Angeles, California, US

Ana-Maria Nedelea wrote:

Are you crazy? Need some pills , lol...find some medical institution something for frustration and anger management. You made my day big_smile

p.s i saw your portfolio so I start to understand why you like garbage. big_smile

The retouching forum is my favorite as photographers can ask how effects are done in photoshop and learn something from people like you if you want to help. The photographer really wants to know how the effect was achieved. Expressing disdain for the technique doesn't help him. You're very talented. Elle, etc. So you have high standards. If the technique doesn't interest you it would be interesting if you wrote about another technique. Obviously you don't want to give away trade secrets but I have learnt things in this forum thanks to the contributions of retouchers for which I am grateful.

Mar 17 15 07:35 am Link

Retoucher

Greg Curran

Posts: 231

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

First, I respect the talent it takes to redraw images, but it just isn't the style I personally like.

Mar 17 15 10:55 am Link

Digital Artist

Phoenix Fate Design

Posts: 64

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Tulack wrote:

I see. I don't have 2014, but CC still has oil paint filter.

You're awesome, Tulack. I noticed I lost Variations with 2014 so I just ended up switching back.

Mar 17 15 12:08 pm Link

Photographer

cwwmbm

Posts: 558

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Photography by Sean wrote:

The person may be very professional but there's no way I'd agree to her terms.

What's wrong with her terms?

Mar 17 15 01:32 pm Link

Retoucher

Lightweavers

Posts: 28

Macclesfield, England, United Kingdom

Looking at her work I would guess its a lot of pains taking work with multiple FS passes after the initial basic retouching has been done.  Working with the luminosity masks in the high freq layers and using masked blurring over the the low frequency layers, combined with a lot of skilful D&B.

Mar 17 15 03:28 pm Link

Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Ana-Maria Nedelea wrote:

Are you crazy? Need some pills , lol...find some medical institution something for frustration and anger management. You made my day big_smile

p.s i saw your portfolio so I start to understand why you like garbage. big_smile

Am I supposed to be upset because you insulted my work? Let's see....who's opinion do I value more? The opinion of an unknown retoucher or those who pay me for what I do?

Mar 18 15 04:44 am Link

Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

cwwmbm wrote:

What's wrong with her terms?

She told me to send her a wire transfer before any work was even done. That doesn't sit well with me. I'd agree to those terms if we were using PayPal because I can refute the charge if I don't receive my product, but there's no way to do that with a wire transfer.

Mar 18 15 04:45 am Link

Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Thanks to those who actually read what I was asking and gave constructive feedback.

Mar 18 15 04:51 am Link

Digital Artist

Ana-Maria Nedelea

Posts: 120

Oneşti, Bacău, Romania

Photography by Sean wrote:
Am I supposed to be upset because you insulted my work? Let's see....who's opinion do I value more? The opinion of an unknown retoucher or those who pay me for what I do?

lollllllllllll there are people that pay you also?

my God this world will crash smile)) you are just a good joke that's it.

Mar 18 15 06:17 am Link

Photographer

Photography by Sean

Posts: 216

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Ana-Maria Nedelea wrote:

lollllllllllll there are people that pay you also?

my God this world will crash smile)) you are just a good joke that's it.

Let me explain something to you and I'm done entertaining you.

First off, photography is only a hobby to me...nothing more. Being paid for this is only extra because I do this mostly out of fun. Secondly, I'm a trader of Derivatives/Stocks/Currencies full-time and I guarantee you that I make more from one trade than you do in an entire month of your retouching services. So, you can say what you'd like about my photography, it is what it is. But if you wanna talk money, I guarantee that I can put you to shame.

End of conversation.

Mar 18 15 09:54 am Link

Photographer

Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

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Mar 18 15 11:28 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15973

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

A lot of retouching is moving away from the examples the op has give as it's starting to look like cgi... a more natural look is coming in.

Mar 18 15 11:55 am Link

Photographer

Kenoe Foto

Posts: 77

Los Angeles, California, US

I normally use the separation technique (color & texture), with a couple layers of Gaussian blur and surface blur...both masked. I edit for maximum sharpness and for areas I want softer, I just paint those area with a reduced opacity to take away the sharpness a bit.

Mar 18 15 06:43 pm Link

Photographer

cwwmbm

Posts: 558

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Photography by Sean wrote:

She told me to send her a wire transfer before any work was even done. That doesn't sit well with me. I'd agree to those terms if we were using PayPal because I can refute the charge if I don't receive my product, but there's no way to do that with a wire transfer.

You might wanna check what she meant by that; I never sent her a wire transfer. Albeit, admittedly, we were using some kind of messed up payment system, however that was before Russia was included in the Paypal friends community. As far as I know now people in russia should have no problems receiving paypal, and I think she was looking into it last time we spoke (which was ~18 months ago).

Mar 18 15 10:27 pm Link

Photographer

Andy Sh

Posts: 24

Bel Air, Maryland, US

try Inverted High Pass technique.

Mar 22 15 03:08 pm Link

Retoucher

Adriano De Sena

Posts: 305

London, England, United Kingdom

Andy Shrestha wrote:
try Inverted High Pass technique.

Please DON'T!

Mar 22 15 09:03 pm Link

Photographer

Sean C

Posts: 45

Frisco, Texas, US

I'd agree with very well done dodging and burning, with the oil paint filter on the hair.

Mar 23 15 03:38 pm Link