Maxximages wrote:
Are you sure it is facebook?  I just tried mine and no problem. Once in a while I get spam claiming to be Facebook, have never opened it to find out what it is for.

It's likely Facebook.  They're well known for being unfriendly to people using anything other than their real names on their profiles.  It poses real problems for many people, especially models who use pseudonyms for privacy reasons.

Stephoto Photography wrote:
Is it just me today? I just went to sign in (it logged me out), and to log back in, I have to confirm my facebook ID (it's my real name with the words-photography on the end of it because I already took my other full name), they're asking for a bank statement, credit card, check, drivers license, etc from me. I need to take a photo of it and upload it to them to look at

I like keeping in touch with my friends on FB, and my family, but there's no way in HELL i'm giving them any ID information in anyway.

Anyone else get that today? I am completely PO'd. Thank heavens I don't get business through my FB -- and I hope they get their heads out of their asses!

Happened to me last year in July... I used "Udor Fotography" since I started to use FB..., because "udor' is my artist name and I don't use a last name in combination... so... Udor Fotography it was... and then I got locked out, just like you did and was forced to convert to a page. They didn't give me any chance to object or to explain... as a result... I now have a page Udor Photography and a FB name "Udor Rothenko", which is not my legal name... but... comes close enough... and I use "Udor Fotography" as my "nick name", so I still can be found when people searching for my old profile, as it is on my business card.

They will let you download all your information, contacts, images and posts, instructions will be provided... However, not one single person explained how to retrieve and incorporate the info into any new profile... not even how to access it... people think that this must be some FB bullshit strategy to appease the person whose data is being killed off.

Btw., as a result of the conversion, I have lost over 2,200 industry contacts, every single post, like or comment I have ever made, all gone!

They suck, and I wish you all the best and good luck!

Hope it works out for you better than it did for me.

udor wrote:

Happened to me last year in July... I used "Udor Fotography" since I started to use FB..., because "udor' is my artist name and I don't use a last name in combination... so... Udor Fotography it was... and then I got locked out, just like you did and was forced to convert to a page. They didn't give me any chance to object or to explain... as a result... I now have a page Udor Photography and a FB name "Udor Rothenko", which is not my legal name... but... comes close enough... and I use "Udor Fotography" as my "nick name", so I still can be found when people searching for my old profile, as it is on my business card.

They will let you download all your information, contacts, images and posts, instructions will be provided... However, not one single person explained how to retrieve and incorporate the info into any new profile... not even how to access it... people think that this must be some FB bullshit strategy to appease the person whose data is being killed off.

Btw., as a result of the conversion, I have lost over 2,200 industry contacts, every single post, like or comment I have ever made, all gone!

They suck, and I wish you all the best and good luck!

Hope it works out for you better than it did for me.

Beware of the cloud.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

Beware of the cloud.

???

Not sure what you mean, Jerry. I am not using the cloud, AFAIK...

udor wrote:
Happened to me last year in July... I used "Udor Fotography" since I started to use FB..., because "udor' is my artist name and I don't use a last name in combination... so... Udor Fotography it was... and then I got locked out, just like you did and was forced to convert to a page. They didn't give me any chance to object or to explain... as a result... I now have a page Udor Photography and a FB name "Udor Rothenko", which is not my legal name... but... comes close enough... and I use "Udor Fotography" as my "nick name", so I still can be found when people searching for my old profile, as it is on my business card.

They will let you download all your information, contacts, images and posts, instructions will be provided... However, not one single person explained how to retrieve and incorporate the info into any new profile... not even how to access it... people think that this must be some FB bullshit strategy to appease the person whose data is being killed off.

Btw., as a result of the conversion, I have lost over 2,200 industry contacts, every single post, like or comment I have ever made, all gone!

They suck, and I wish you all the best and good luck!

Hope it works out for you better than it did for me.

Loki Studio wrote:
Facebook's policy on using real names is well documented in the TOS and enforced.  Its up to you to decide if you want to agree or not.  You can provide some of your ID info with critical numbers blacked out and see if they will accept.

The problem is, though, that I was using my real name ! There was no Alias to be had. I'm not even going to deal with it or try to get the old account back. So.... yeah.

if anyone wants to hang on FB still, here's my old account that i'm apparently going back to using...
https://www.facebook.com/StephanieAnnPierce

udor wrote:

???

Not sure what you mean, Jerry. I am not using the cloud, AFAIK...

Beware.  It might rain and damage your camera.

udor wrote:
???

Not sure what you mean, Jerry. I am not using the cloud, AFAIK...

What I mean is you putting your industry contacts on Facebook and losing them.

John Photography wrote:
Does anyone actually believe half the shit on those sites?

Just the stuff FB admits to you would think would scare most people away

udor wrote:
Happened to me last year in July... I used "Udor Fotography" since I started to use FB..., because "udor' is my artist name and I don't use a last name in combination... so... Udor Fotography it was... and then I got locked out, just like you did and was forced to convert to a page. They didn't give me any chance to object or to explain... as a result... I now have a page Udor Photography and a FB name "Udor Rothenko", which is not my legal name... but... comes close enough... and I use "Udor Fotography" as my "nick name", so I still can be found when people searching for my old profile, as it is on my business card.

People seem to be not understanding the basics of Facebook.

You have your PERSONAL page, which is supposed to be under your real name. The personal page is for you personally (not your business). You can lock that down pretty tight so people can't see stuff about you... just your family/friends who you want to see it.

Then, you can have your business page(s) which are about your business(es). That can be any name (your business name) and you can make that visible to all if you wish. That's where you should be doing all your business related promoting, collecting of contacts, and so on.

Lightcraft Studio wrote:
People seem to be not understanding the basics of Facebook.

You have your PERSONAL page, which is supposed to be under your real name. The personal page is for you personally (not your business). You can lock that down pretty tight so people can't see stuff about you... just your family/friends who you want to see it.

Then, you can have your business page(s) which are about your business(es). That can be any name (your business name) and you can make that visible to all if you wish. That's where you should be doing all your business related promoting, collecting of contacts, and so on.

Don't worry... I am quite aware about the functions of Facebook, since I am on there since they opened up to all colleges... so, pretty much from the beginning...

Now... I don't use my full legal name, because I adopted "udor" as my artist name more than ten years ago (I registered udor photography in 2003, IIRC) and ever since, I am using this name and I also sign my paintings as "udor", my fashion website is udorphotography, my art website is "surrealities of udor" (surrealities.net) my tumbler is "surrealities of udor" as well, as is a FB group of the same name. I have given interviews as udor (e.g. on the American Fashion Podcast, or an interview by AdoramaPro), my photocredits in publications are either "udor" or "udor photography".

Being an artist and photographer is not a "job" or just a business... it is me, living it full time, you can not separate me from the artist named "udor" and the private person as well.

My former and new FB profile, was/is used that way for personal and professional use (... just like Millions of other people do as well)... , while I maintain a "Fan" Page after the forced conversion. A Fan page is extremely limiting and, in my view... extremely pretentious, because I don't have "fans" I am not a celebrity...

Google+ used to have a "real name" policy, which they realized is b.s. and put it away... one or two years ago, it's about time that FB follows suit.

Btw., try to join any professional group on FB, with your business page... can't do it! You can't contact people, only pages with your page either... it is limiting, for me... it is useless!

udor wrote:
Don't worry... I am quite aware about the functions of Facebook, since I am on there since they opened up to all colleges... so, pretty much from the beginning...

Now... I don't use my full legal name, because I adopted "udor" as my artist name more than ten years ago (I registered udor photography in 2003, IIRC) and ever since, I am using this name and I also sign my paintings as "udor", my fashion website is udorphotography, my art website is "surrealities of udor" (surrealities.net) my tumbler is "surrealities of udor" as well, as is a FB group of the same name. I have given interviews as udor (e.g. on the American Fashion Podcast, or an interview by AdoramaPro), my photocredits in publications are either "udor" or "udor photography".

Being an artist and photographer is not a "job" or just a business... it is me, living it full time, you can not separate me from the artist named "udor" and the private person as well.

My former and new FB profile, was/is used that way for personal and professional use (... just like Millions of other people do as well)... , while I maintain a "Fan" Page after the forced conversion. A Fan page is extremely limiting and, in my view... extremely pretentious, because I don't have "fans" I am not a celebrity...

Google+ used to have a "real name" policy, which they realized is b.s. and put it away... one or two years ago, it's about time that FB follows suit.

Btw., try to join any professional group on FB, with your business page... can't do it! You can't contact people, only pages with your page either... it is limiting, for me... it is useless!

I'm not trying to defend FB, and I agree that the so-called professional/fan pages are indeed limiting.

Just saying that it will avoid some frustration if people understand the difference between a personal page and a professional/fan page.

You can indeed promote the professional page through FB, but of course it will cost money.... FB is a business.... so they understandably are geared toward making money.

Anthony Chase wrote:
While it may be their sandbox, they are slowly losing a lot of sand. And revenue.

They announced their latest results yesterday, and they beat (slightly) the estimates on earnings. Their net income was up 28% over the prior year.

I have no idea if they can sustain that growth, but so far they're on the right track.

The Grey Forest wrote:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1032121/pg1

maybe that link might answer your question:

please be advised that FACEBOOK directly data mines your person information for the FBI / CIA & NSA
(its the digital KGB for the United States for surveillance)  ie: its a Government controlled website

before you choose to continue to use Facebook you should seriously review the following links and keep in mind that you cannot EVER truly close or delete your Facebook account and your data will always remain on file.

http://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-ceo-m … about-nsa/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqc2gOGY7hM

Facebook needs access to: ~ your entire life so we may spy on your every move...

and people STILL  join that BULLSHIT site...

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Regarding FB:  Screw them!  They are just trying extract money from you (or from advertisers who will extract money from you in turn).

Well yea, they're a business... not a charity!

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Regarding FB:  Screw them!  They are just trying extract money from you (or from advertisers who will extract money from you in turn).

Lightcraft Studio wrote:
Well yea, they're a business... not a charity!

Yeah, and your eyeballs & your wallet are their assets.  Your value proposition:  they are holding your friends & family hostage (unless you are willing to send e-mail, write letters, make a phone call, etc.).

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
the biggest problem I had with facebook...possibly everyone else are pro's and didnt have many problems....but for me, I found the controls and menu's extremely awkward and obtuse. like you had to search for what you wanted to do or the terminology was vague...and sometimes lead to easily accidentally sending things to people you didnt want to see.

True, that was the first thing that struck me about Facebook was how horribly ill designed and "unfriendly" to use, couldn't figure out what did what almost like it was made intentionally confusing; however, having Employers, Government & Law Enforcement to snoop on and infringe on employees/citizens personal privacy by exploiting that site I find extremely offensive and against the American core values.

Several models place links to Facebook and request to have them contacted there instead of Model Mayhem (um why? just send a reply here - derp*) ~ but can't since Facebook demands that you "log in" just to view their page because they have ironically set to "PRIVATE" and I guess they believe 'everyone' of course has a facebook account! ~ or can't tell what you're looking at or trying to find because the layout of that site is a horrid sloppy mess.

Note: (Anywhere online on a website page that has a Facebook link or LIKE button, Facebook script records the IP address of everyone viewing that given page - even if you've never had an account with them or are signed in ~  scary ?)  oh, I see there is a Facebook link at the bottom of this very page ~ derp*

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/us/nsa-social-networks/
do you personally know everyone on your Facebook friends list ? 
You could end up being linked to someone under scrutiny through merely by association there... neat'o

Then of course, there are the 'Twitter' addicts ~ who shout to the world what their doing every hour of the day ~ (you probably know one yourself...)

The Grey Forest wrote:

True, that was the first thing that struck me about Facebook was how horribly ill designed and "unfriendly" to use, couldn't figure out what did what almost like it was made intentionally confusing; however, having Employers, Government & Law Enforcement to snoop on and infringe on employees/citizens personal privacy by exploiting that site I find extremely offensive and against the American core values.

Several models place links to Facebook and request to have them contacted there instead of Model Mayhem (um why? just send a reply here - derp*) ~ but can't since Facebook demands that you "log in" just to view their page because they have ironically set to "PRIVATE" and I guess they believe 'everyone' of course has a facebook account! ~ or can't tell what you're looking at or trying to find or supposed to be looking for because the layout of that site is a horrid sloppy mess.

Note: (Anywhere online on a website page that has a Facebook link or LIKE button, Facebook script records the IP address of everyone viewing that given page - even if you've never had an account with them or are signed in ~  scary ?)  oh, I see there is a Facebook link at the bottom of this very page ~ derp*

Then of course, there are the 'Twitter' addicts ~ who shout to the world what their doing every hour of the day ~ (you probably know one yourself...)

I thought I was the only one that thought it's a sloppy mess.  Trying to set up things is really convoluted and once you do set things up, your settings can change without notice.  It's not very reliable.  For instance I liked seeing the latest posts but once in a while it would revert back to "top stories".  I wonder what other settings get "lost"?