Photographer
Connor Photography
Posts: 8539
Newark, Delaware, US
I do not intend to hurt anyone's feeling. I am slow in the latest new profession. What is webcam girl, so I checked it out. WTF, how degrading it is, right in front of the whole world. I hope this can brings in lot of money for them and they will save every penny they earn. 
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Connor Photography wrote:
I do not intend to hurt anyone's feeling. I am slow in the latest new profession. What is webcam girl, so I checked it out. WTF, how degrading it is, right in front of the whole world. I hope this can brings in lot of money for them and they will save every penny they earn. Why are webcam girls degrading themselves but your models are not?
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Solas
Posts: 10390
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Wye wrote:
Why are webcam girls degrading themselves but your models are not? Because his are Art modeling and expressing themselves..empowering in a way.. on the other hand its the opposite with webcam girls who more about subjecting themselves for the purpose of $$$. variation of adult basically
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Solas wrote:
Because his are Art modeling and expressing themselves..empowering in a way.. on the other hand its the opposite with webcam girls who more about subjecting themselves for the purpose of $$$. variation of adult basically Why is it empowering to be a nude model but not to be an adult performer?
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normad
Posts: 11372
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
Solas wrote:
Because his are Art modeling and expressing themselves..empowering in a way.. on the other hand its the opposite with webcam girls who more about subjecting themselves for the purpose of $$$. variation of adult basically I'm curious, are you explaining OPs position? or aligning with OPs opsition? Or both?
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normad
Posts: 11372
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
Wye wrote:
Why is it empowering to be a nude model but not to be an adult performer? I think some people (not me) have the idea that if it's not something they wouldn't do/partake/* it must be bad, or low class, or demeaning somehow.
Kinda like most "historically relevant cultural organizations" will have an official drug, be it alcohol, caffeine or something, while decrying the others as "bad".
I like the wording of the post below better than mine 
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kickfight
Posts: 35054
Portland, Oregon, US
One of the best examples of vapid elitist snobbery is when someone looks down their nose at someone else's voluntary participation in any aspect of the free market which doesn't otherwise harm/adversely affect others.  The higher the horse, the longer the drop back down to earth.
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Solas
Posts: 10390
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Piscis Noctis wrote:
I'm curious, are you explaining OPs position? or aligning with OPs opsition? Or both? answering wye's question. not really sure what you're asking
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normad
Posts: 11372
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
Solas wrote:
answering wye's question. not really sure what you're asking I was curious whether your answer reflected your interpretation of OP's POV or your own POV or both.
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Solas
Posts: 10390
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Wye wrote:
Why is it empowering to be a nude model but not to be an adult performer? social influences I would say, the perception is limited depending on your POV and tolerance for the two genres as separate. eg: for some, adult and art nude are the same.. but for others, there is an obvious distinction. otherwise 90% of this site would be hidden profiles if art nude and adult were the same thing.
I would say for the most part much of the perception surrounding porn leans that it is degrading, mostly due to the way that it objectifies sexuality, treats women and people as objects. Portrays a false array of what sex is, It's a very involved debate, do some googling and you will find much for your consideration... "Is porn degrading?"
eg:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle … ornography
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/deb … 77138.html
On the flip side there is some porn that is not like that.. so it really is dependent on your POV, but compared to art modeling..personally I find it much less similar, and not related at all. Webcam modeling, I do not consider that in the same class as art modeling. More related to porn and adult. But that's my POV, of course. However, would you consider web cam modeling to be art? I have never heard that related anywhere
Photographer
Solas
Posts: 10390
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Piscis Noctis wrote:
I was curious whether your answer reflected your interpretation of OP's POV or your own POV or both. I have no particular personal stance on the debate, .. I'm responding to the fact that art modeling is not related to adult performing, adult performing is generally seen by society as degrading.. but Art modeling is not comparable or equal to adult performing (depending on how conservative your POV is, of course, it is all POV)
Art modeling ≠ Adult performer/porn
If art nude modeling were generally seen as the same way by society, as say adult performing, 3/4 of the profiles on this site would be deleted, ha 
on the flip side, art nude models i know have reported feeling very empowered since they started modeling. both male and female, interestingly myself as well.. it helped me see my body a different way. I'm not entire sure how that works.. or if that interpretation is universal, or just myself but.. definitely don't object to it. I wish all of society saw it that way.
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kickfight
Posts: 35054
Portland, Oregon, US
I've worked with several (non-MM) models who oversee all aspects of their own independent webcam business. I'd consider them all to be loud-n-proud feminists as well. They see no conflict in being feminists *and* being sex-positive adult entertainers, and I don't either. They regard themselves as entrepreneurs, and so do I.
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Lovely Day Media
Posts: 5885
Vineland, New Jersey, US
kickfight wrote:
I've worked with several (non-MM) models who oversee all aspects of their own independent webcam business. I'd consider them all to be loud-n-proud feminists as well. They see no conflict in being feminists *and* being sex-positive adult entertainers, and I don't either. They regard themselves as entrepreneurs, and so do I. I say if they are doing what they want to do and no one is getting hurt, it doesn't matter if I agree with their choices or not. They are free to do it with or without my permission.
If they can get paid to pleasure themselves, who am I to say they can't or shouldn't? It's brilliant on many levels, too. One can say they're a prostitute and they might be on one level or another, but they don't have to have gross people touching them, no chance of disease, no one beating on them and they choose the hours they actually sit there. On the other hand, a lot of other people get up and go to work doing something. They get yelled at for stupid things, don't get to pick their own hours, have to be around people they really don't like, etc etc ... and all in the interest of collecting a paycheck. In that sense, they are prostitutes, too. They just aren't sex workers.
It's true I'd never make it as a webcam person (anyone looking at me would definitely get sick on first site). Maybe many others wouldn't make it, either. I also wouldn't make it as someone who collects garbage (even if all I had to do is drive the truck), doctor, fireman, car mechanic, athlete or school teacher. I don't look down on these people because they do something I can't do all that well (if at all). Who am I to look down on anyone for anything? I do live in a glass house.
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martin b
Posts: 2770
Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines
I don't have anything against webcam girls. I also think the men who pay are not bad men. I think most men can objectify a woman on webcam and still treat the people in their lives well.
Too many people don't like the objectification of women. Most guys can both appreciate a woman who is good to him in his real life and also objectify women for sex.
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Keith Moody
Posts: 548
Phoenix, Arizona, US
I really don't see much of a difference between what you do and what they do. You are both exploiting the naked female body. I guess calling it ART helps one feel better about the exploitation.
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Mark C Smith
Posts: 1073
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Connor Photography wrote:
I do not intend to hurt anyone's feeling. I am slow in the latest new profession. What is webcam girl, so I checked it out. WTF, how degrading it is, right in front of the whole world. I hope this can brings in lot of money for them and they will save every penny they earn. I'm going to go ahead and assume the majority of cam girls couldn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on what they choose to do.
You don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings...ok, so what is your intention with this thread? Because that seems to be the only purpose it serves.
What makes you taking pictures of naked women any different at all?
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r T p
Posts: 3511
Los Angeles, California, US
Mark C Smith wrote:
You don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings...ok, so what is your intention with this thread? Because that seems to be the only purpose it serves. throw some shit against the wall to see how many flies it'll attract
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Michael Kerrek
Posts: 1427
Orlando, Florida, US
Connor Photography wrote:
I do not intend to hurt anyone's feeling. I am slow in the latest new profession. What is webcam girl, so I checked it out. WTF, how degrading it is, right in front of the whole world. I hope this can brings in lot of money for them and they will save every penny they earn. What a fantastically ignorant and judgmental grouping of words.
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Images by SeanK Photo
Posts: 465
Baltimore, Maryland, US
Michael Kerrek wrote:
What a fantastically ignorant and judgmental grouping of words. WHAT???
People like that on MM??
Bite your tongue!!
Model
TaylorAndrews
Posts: 6
Columbia, Maryland, US
Phoenix Digital Image wrote:
I really don't see much of a difference between what you do and what they do. You are both exploiting the naked female body. I guess calling it ART helps one feel better about the exploitation. Phoenix I'll be stealing this quote from you (with credit of course) because it's absolutely everything perfect that needed to be said/
Model
Isis22
Posts: 3557
Muncie, Indiana, US
Not all webcam girls are even naked. I suggest you do some more research. BTW, what business is it of yours what other people do with their money?
Artist/Painter
ethasleftthebuilding
Posts: 16685
Key West, Florida, US
I like "webcam girls" as models for my work. In my experience they are self confident, uninhibited and know exactly what their time as a model is worth.
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
ernst tischler wrote:
I like "webcam girls" as models for my work. In my experience they are self confident, uninhibited and know exactly what their time as a model is worth. Heck! It's just an occupation. The ability to look good and perform on camera is what all photographers seek in models. right? I've photographed women who do all sorts of occupations from cam model to medical doctor. Of all the skills a model can have that helps, I find dancing to be the very best skill. Ballet, belly, hip hop or erotic ... dancers rock my camera. Acting is another skill that is a good one to have. Webcamming combines acting and perhaps even dance as well. Models who also webcam are often quite excellent at modeling too. If the OP is offended by webcamming, well send them my way! I wont be offended at all. 
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Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 3779
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Phoenix Digital Image wrote:
I really don't see much of a difference between what you do and what they do. You are both exploiting the naked female body. I guess calling it ART helps one feel better about the exploitation. WTF??????
By that logic all photography is exploitive
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ethasleftthebuilding
Posts: 16685
Key West, Florida, US
ernst tischler wrote:
I like "webcam girls" as models for my work. In my experience they are self confident, uninhibited and know exactly what their time as a model is worth. Patrick Walberg wrote:
Heck! It's just an occupation. The ability to look good and perform on camera is what all photographers seek in models. right? I've photographed women who do all sorts of occupations from cam model to medical doctor. Of all the skills a model can have that helps, I find dancing to be the very best skill. Ballet, belly, hip hop or erotic ... dancers rock my camera. Acting is another skill that is a good one to have. Webcamming combines acting and perhaps even dance as well. Models who also webcam are often quite excellent at modeling too. If the OP is offended by webcamming, well send them my way! I wont be offended at all. You caused me to think of yet another benefit of shooting models who are "webcam girls", EXPERIENCE. Think about it, how many hours a month does the average MM model spend actually modeling? Now compare that to a "webcam girl" who is online for even just a few hours a day, five days a week.
...and I agree with you, if someone is offended by "webcam girls", send them my way.
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Shot By Adam
Posts: 8089
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Connor Photography wrote:
I do not intend to hurt anyone's feeling. I am slow in the latest new profession. What is webcam girl, so I checked it out. WTF, how degrading it is, right in front of the whole world. I hope this can brings in lot of money for them and they will save every penny they earn. Just so we're all clear here. You have been on this site for 8 years. You have thousands of posts in the forums. You claim to be "very experienced" in your profile. And you don't know what a webcam girl is? Seriously, this is a joke, right?
Artist/Painter
ethasleftthebuilding
Posts: 16685
Key West, Florida, US
Shot By Adam wrote:
Just so we're all clear here. You have been on this site for 8 years. You have thousands of posts in the forums. You claim to be "very experienced" in your profile. And you don't know what a webcam girl is? Seriously, this is a joke, right? Maybe some folks don't got out of the basement much?
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