Retoucher
Pall Kris Design
Posts: 103
Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania
Hahhaha what a thread!
All I can say is this: it's pretty HARD to focus and retouch beautiful models, especially for a few hours in a row.
I know this is art and I keep things professional, but I'm just a man after all and I really need to take a break sometimes and maybe a walk in the park.
Photographer
Tad Boomer Photography
Posts: 23
Atlanta, Georgia, US
To be honest., I am always focused on trying to make sure that the setting is right, the light is right, help the model put on lotion or oil on their back where they can't reach. Then during the shoot, I am focused on the camera settings, lighting, and trying to encourage the model to get their very best.
Now after the shoot was completed and when I was younger, I have had models mistake my comments during the session as an invitation or suggestion that I was looking for something more. However, I would just tell them that I was trying to get their sexy glow on and nothing more. Besides I have been in a relationship for 24 years. But now mother nature has taken care of that problem for me as I work mainly with models 18-35 and at just a couple weeks shy of 59, I am invisible to them at least that way.
I would say though to any photographer, if you find that you are aroused during a shoot and the model notices it, just acknowledge that their sexuality seems to have triggered an automatic primal response. Some models actually do it on purpose to see if they can turn you on so I was told by one of my models.
My advice is to just be professional.
Photographer
TomFRohwer
Posts: 1601
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Good nude and erotic photography often is the result of rerouting personal arousal into images. This is why it often do not work very fine to shoot really good erotic images from your spouse.
It lacks this specific "If I could I probably would but I cannot so I put this energy into my photographic work". Photography is about the conflict between enthusiasm and excitement for your subject on the one hand and critical distance on the other hand.
But in the end it's all about professional behavior. It's one thing to get aroused (this is just Mother Nature), it's another thing to molest other people (that is disgusting).
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rfordphotos
Posts: 8866
Antioch, California, US
Lovely Day Media wrote:
Think back to the first time you shot nudity (from either side of the camera) .... was it arousing for you? How many times did you have to do it before it wasn't arousing anymore? well- I was 18, one of the models was 19, and we had just become sexually active. The other model was her 17 year old sister. It was an innocent shoot of the two of them bathing in an old claw foot tub with lots of bubbles etc etc. I was scared to death I was gonna get an erection right up to the point we started shooting, then I was so focused on not screwing up the shoot that I didnt give it another thought.
As an adult- I have always been too focused on the images for it to be a concern. Now, as a guy old enough to be the model's grandpa, it would be tough to say who would be more surprised if I DID get "aroused".
But really- its pretty simple--are you there to shoot or fool around? I can fool around anytime, but when I have good light and a model? its a no brainer for me......
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Lovely Day Media wrote:
You can disagree with me if you like. It's not going to change my opinion. My apologies, too. I forgot you aren't entertaining this conversation. Yes, I do disagree with you. I am not and still won't entertain a conversation that ventures into 101 instruction how to act as a respectable person or delve into how people get turned on.
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
paulkris wrote:
Hahhaha what a thread!
All I can say is this: it's pretty HARD to focus and retouch beautiful models, especially for a few hours in a row.
I know this is art and I keep things professional, but I'm just a man after all and I really need to take a break sometimes and maybe a walk in the park. When I was working for the video production company for Playboy in West Hollywood I'd peep into the editing room a bit. I was buddies with everyone there and retouching boobs and vag was like retouching strands of hair. It's no biggie when it's your job.
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Wye
Posts: 10811
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I can't imagine what happens to some of the guys posting here if they happen to find themselves on a topless beach...
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 5885
Vineland, New Jersey, US
Wye wrote:
I can't imagine what happens to some of the guys posting here if they happen to find themselves on a topless beach... I can. As a first timer on the beach, they'd likely find themselves fairly hard most of the time. As time went on, this would become less and less a problem because they are getting more and more used to it so it's not a big deal anymore. In the meantime, there is such a thing as a towel to cover it up and one might even find holes poked in the sand.
I read somewhere that this "behavior" is deemed disrespectful in a place like this but I'd tend to think of it more as a reaction than a behavior. A person has a choice to behave or misbehave. In a case like this, one knows they can look but not touch (at least in most cases) so there is no need for hardness. It happens, though.
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Lallure Photographic
Posts: 2086
Taylors, South Carolina, US
It was never really arousing. It might have been, if I had ever shot a girlfriend, I suppose, but you don't have the time to think about the subject, in that way, when photographing. if you do, you will likely get poor images, because you aren't focused on the work.
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Skydancer Photos
Posts: 22196
Santa Cruz, California, US
I learned a long time ago how to be in control of my sexual arousal, erections, thoughts, etc. I earned my "man card" so as to be able to relate and interact with women as a mature male adult.
The idea that getting a stiffy at the mere sight of a female body, with no control over that response, is pretty much the claim of someone still using their "adolescent card"
Artist/Painter
ethasleftthebuilding
Posts: 16685
Key West, Florida, US
Wye wrote:
I can't imagine what happens to some of the guys posting here if they happen to find themselves on a topless beach... BOOBIES!
LOL
Artist/Painter
ethasleftthebuilding
Posts: 16685
Key West, Florida, US
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
This thread is silly. Jules NYC wrote:
Yes, it is. ...and BOOBIES!
ROFLMAO
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WIP
Posts: 15973
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom
Koryn wrote:
My first ever shoot was nude.
It was not arousing then, nor has it ever been.
*shrug* Is it because most photographers are middle to old aged, fat and bold.
Model
Isis22
Posts: 3557
Muncie, Indiana, US
Skydancer Photos wrote:
I learned a long time ago how to be in control of my sexual arousal, erections, thoughts, etc. I earned my "man card" so as to be able to relate and interact with women as a mature male adult.
The idea that getting a stiffy at the mere sight of a female body, with no control over that response, is pretty much the claim of someone still using their "adolescent card" Absolutely. Getting in erection is not merely physical, it's mental as well.
Artist/Painter
ethasleftthebuilding
Posts: 16685
Key West, Florida, US
Koryn wrote:
My first ever shoot was nude.
It was not arousing then, nor has it ever been.
*shrug* WIP wrote:
Is it because most photographers are middle to old aged, fat and bold. That goes back to this old double standard...
If a twenty something handsome, attractive and muscular photographer flirts with a model during a shoot, she is flattered.
If a fifty something balding, unattractive and overweight photographer flirts with a model during a shoot, he is a pervert.
ROFLMAO
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Lovely Day Media
Posts: 5885
Vineland, New Jersey, US
Isis22 wrote:
Absolutely. Getting in erection is not merely physical, it's mental as well. Interesting ...
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
I wonder how gynecologists and doctors at large control their biological urges. ![https://images.medicaldaily.com/sites/medicaldaily.com/files/styles/full_breakpoints_theme_medicaldaily_desktop_1x/public/2014/03/13/gynecologist-looking-patients-vagina.jpg?itok=W-jnKnri]()
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Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 13200
Brooklyn, New York, US
Isis22 wrote:
Absolutely. Getting in erection is not merely physical, it's mental as well. Em yeah no thats not how it works
Erections happen while sleeping
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 8179
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US
Jules NYC wrote:
I wonder how gynecologists and doctors at large control their biological urges.
![https://images.medicaldaily.com/sites/medicaldaily.com/files/styles/full_breakpoints_theme_medicaldaily_desktop_1x/public/2014/03/13/gynecologist-looking-patients-vagina.jpg?itok=W-jnKnri]() You don't remember the friends episode that explained that? The doctor (Rachel's love interest) explained to Rachel how some days she must hope she never sees another cup of coffee.
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
I thought this was an excellent interview on Marilyn Monroe and her still nude photographs on her last film, 'Something's Got To Give'. The photographer was a cocky 23 year old at the time. He talks about her life, how the two 'connected' to inspire the photographs, etc. He doesn't mention getting a boner. Marilyn is one of the greatest sex symbols/stars ever. P.S. the closed captions are poorly translated. Good business advice for models/work ethic/etc. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1uYSVPbP4 and another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUSXeqhGHU0
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Hunter GWPB wrote:
You don't remember the friends episode that explained that? The doctor (Rachel's love interest) explained to Rachel how some days she must hope she never sees another cup of coffee. Show the clip!
Artist/Painter
ethasleftthebuilding
Posts: 16685
Key West, Florida, US
Jules NYC wrote:
I wonder how gynecologists and doctors at large control their biological urges.
![https://images.medicaldaily.com/sites/medicaldaily.com/files/styles/full_breakpoints_theme_medicaldaily_desktop_1x/public/2014/03/13/gynecologist-looking-patients-vagina.jpg?itok=W-jnKnri]() A retired OB/GYN once told me that it is like a mechanic looking under the hood of a high performance car. The first few times, what you see under the hood is a thing of beauty and awe, after that, it's just another one you have to examine, diagnose and fix.
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
ernst tischler wrote:
A retired OB/GYN once told me that it is like a mechanic looking under the hood of a high performance car. The first few times, what you see under the hood is a thing of beauty and awe, after that, it's just another one you have to examine, diagnose and fix. Exactly my point.
I believe the more experienced photographers don't have an issue with the awe/shock factor.
If they end up acting like a boob looking at boobs, well, that's a personality thing.
... and please let me qualify that it doesn't mean that they can not recognize a beautiful woman.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Jules NYC wrote:
Exactly my point.
I believe the more experienced photographers don't have an issue with the awe/shock factor.
If they end up acting like a boob looking at boobs, well, that's a personality thing.
... and please let me qualify that it doesn't mean that they can not recognize a beautiful woman. I still am in shock and awe of this beautiful model. 
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/1 … 73b343.jpg
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Lovely Day Media
Posts: 5885
Vineland, New Jersey, US
ernst tischler wrote:
A retired OB/GYN once told me that it is like a mechanic looking under the hood of a high performance car. The first few times, what you see under the hood is a thing of beauty and awe, after that, it's just another one you have to examine, diagnose and fix. Jules NYC wrote:
Exactly my point.
I believe the more experienced photographers don't have an issue with the awe/shock factor.
If they end up acting like a boob looking at boobs, well, that's a personality thing.
... and please let me qualify that it doesn't mean that they can not recognize a beautiful woman. It also hits on one of my original questions: How many times did you have to do it before it wasn't arousing anymore?
It seems a lot of people just jumped in with both feet and were instantly comfortable and/or unaroused. Other people acknowledge they had to build themselves to that point. I don't think this makes those who are aroused a perv, weird, etc, especially if they don't say or do anything that is inappropriate. They are or may be inexperienced but this is something one can't buy. One can only get it with time and situations.
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Bobby C
Posts: 2696
Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand
When I shoot nude models, I am so preoccupied with getting the shot right that sex is the last thing on my mind. The closest thing to arousal ( if it can be called arousal ) at that time is, wow she, a body part, the scene, the pose,etc is beautiful, unique, intriguing etc. I think even if I was to shoot sexually explicit work, I would feel the same way because of the same reasons and issues I will have about the shoot.
I think that for people who shoot porn, the first couple of times might be arousing but after that it's just a job and might actually be turned off by porn.
Not sure if this analogy is correct. When I prep or cook a very large amount, I lose my appetite.
Photographer
Bobby C
Posts: 2696
Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand
Lovely Day Media wrote:
It seems a lot of people just jumped in with both feet and were instantly comfortable and/or unaroused. Other people acknowledge they had to build themselves to that point. I don't think this makes those who are aroused a perv, weird, etc, especially if they don't say or do anything that is inappropriate. They are or may be inexperienced but this is something one can't buy. One can only get it with time and situations. Ever since I can remember ( since I was a boy ), when it came to nudity, I have had "duality" in my mind.
I would and still do see most nudity in classical and modern paintings / sculptures in terms of form, emotion, idea and not be turned on whatsoever by them whereas when I looked at porn it would and still does ( not all porn though, let me make that very clear ), sexually arouse. I think a lot of this might have to do with the " explicitness " and/or how it is presented, such as does the subject/s convey sex in some way.
From day one of shooting nude, I have, as you say "... jumped in with both feet and were instantly comfortable and/or unaroused...". That is because my aim and focus was/is not sex.
![https://laurajul.dk/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/I-just-want-you-to-be-happy.jpg]()
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Jules NYC
Posts: 21617
New York, New York, US
Lovely Day Media wrote:
It also hits on one of my original questions: How many times did you have to do it before it wasn't arousing anymore?
It seems a lot of people just jumped in with both feet and were instantly comfortable and/or unaroused. Other people acknowledge they had to build themselves to that point. I don't think this makes those who are aroused a perv, weird, etc, especially if they don't say or do anything that is inappropriate. They are or may be inexperienced but this is something one can't buy. One can only get it with time and situations. No need to psychoanalyze.
If you, yes YOU think you're going to blow a load each and every time a naked beautiful woman is in front of your lens, maybe shooting nudes isn't the right genre for YOU.
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 8179
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US
Jules NYC wrote:
Show the clip!
I have seen very few things on youtube that you didn't link!  Really. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to find it. I wouldn't know how to start.
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Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 3779
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Lovely Day Media wrote:
How/why is it hypocritical to ask a simple question? I now understand that some people have had their feathers ruffled over this topic where I didn't think it was probable before ... but now I'm a hypocritical idiot who apparently thinks autistic children can be healed by sunlight AND I've changed my name on here many times (though as far as I know, I'm still on my original name).
What is the real cause of all this anger and hatred?
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Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 3779
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
I will try again.
People are mad because you have shown little to no respect for the models, the photographers or even the genre.
Stop thinking about this with your little head and engage your brain.
The people who do this ( I can only speak to fine art photography and models) do this because they see the human body as sculptural and love the play of light and shadow to create beautiful lines.
We don't do this just to see boobies and vulvas. Those that have their mind in the gutter are GWCs
Models have totally rejected your proposition and yet you cling to your opinion and have learned nothing.
People may be hating on you for these reason.
Early on I said that you should shoot nudes to learn what the genre and the people working in that genre are all about.
I now recind that opinion! You should go no where need a nude model.
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 5885
Vineland, New Jersey, US
Jules NYC wrote:
No need to psychoanalyze.
If you, yes YOU think you're going to blow a load each and every time a naked beautiful woman is in front of your lens, maybe shooting nudes isn't the right genre for YOU. You're right ... no need to psychoanalyze.
I'm not going to blow a load every time a pretty woman is in front of my lens. I don't think I'm going to blow a load anytime a pretty woman is around, in front of my lens or not, nude or not. Hard as a brick if she's nude or the conversation flows that way is possible.
If there is a photographer who wants to shoot with women they don't find attractive, that's up to them. I do as a way of gaining experience and trying different things. If a photographer wants to shoot someone nude that will require them to buy mind bleach afterward to get that sight out of their mind, that's up to them, too.
If there is a model who thinks she is pretty enough to pose nude, close to it, sexily, etc but these situations shouldn't ever arouse anything in anyone, I'm of the opinion that she is sadly mistaken. Everyone is an individual. Everything isn't identical for everyone.
As the saying goes, if you immediately recognize the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago. Some will immediately recognize it. Others will not. Those who don't aren't terrible just like the ones that do aren't superior. They're just different.
Besides ... I've already said I have no interest in shooting nudes so it doesn't matter if it's a genre for me or not.
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Lovely Day Media wrote:
You're right ... no need to psychoanalyze.
I'm not going to blow a load every time a pretty woman is in front of my lens. I don't think I'm going to blow a load anytime a pretty woman is around, in front of my lens or not, nude or not. Hard as a brick if she's nude or the conversation flows that way is possible.
If there is a photographer who wants to shoot with women they don't find attractive, that's up to them. I do as a way of gaining experience and trying different things. If a photographer wants to shoot someone nude that will require them to buy mind bleach afterward to get that sight out of their mind, that's up to them, too.
If there is a model who thinks she is pretty enough to pose nude, close to it, sexily, etc but these situations shouldn't ever arouse anything in anyone, I'm of the opinion that she is sadly mistaken. Everyone is an individual. Everything isn't identical for everyone.
As the saying goes, if you immediately recognize the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago. Some will immediately recognize it. Others will not. Those who don't aren't terrible just like the ones that do aren't superior. They're just different.
Besides ... I've already said I have no interest in shooting nudes so it doesn't matter if it's a genre for me or not. This means you have no reason to bring up the subject. Every model that I shoot is nude.
Photographer
Rik Williams
Posts: 4005
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I don't see what all the fuss is about.
I started out in college wanting to be a photojournalist and was trying to figure out ways to help maintain a relaxed atmosphere while working one on one subjects.
I thought I'd try my very own social experiment involving nudity, which to my understanding at the time, ran a much higher risk of nervous and or embarrassing situations for both, if I was unable to remain composed and carefree.
To my surprise I didn't find it to be a sexual experience, but more an exercise in maintaining focus and relating with the subject so they could remain comfortable in front of my lens.
It's difficult to put into words, but I have found over time, the less emphasis put on 'nakedness' the easier it is for all involved.
To Lovely Day Media:
You'll never know until you try, but to me it sounds like you're going about this all wrong.
Running plots and situations through your mind in such a vivid way isn't helpful, you need to hire a model and try things out for yourself if that's your goal, but if it's not your goal, why bring it up in the first place?
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 5885
Vineland, New Jersey, US
Lovely Day Media wrote:
Besides ... I've already said I have no interest in shooting nudes so it doesn't matter if it's a genre for me or not. Jerry Nemeth wrote:
This means you have no reason to bring up the subject. Every model that I shoot is nude. I've already said what the reason was for asking the question. If every model a person shoots is nude, fine. If a person thinks I have no reason to bring up the subject, they are free to do as they see fit, especially if it's not disrupting things.
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Lovely Day Media wrote:
I've already said what the reason was for asking the question. If every model a person shoots is nude, fine. If a person thinks I have no reason to bring up the subject, they are free to do as they see fit, especially if it's not disrupting things. Just do it and find out for yourself!
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Keith Moody
Posts: 548
Phoenix, Arizona, US
I worked with legendary porn star Marilyn Chambers years before working with models. With that in mind, model shoots, clothed or not, are about as arousing as a plate of french fries.
Model
Caitlyn Slavich
Posts: 11
Sunnyvale, California, US
Honestly? I felt kind of uncomfortable, and in a lot of the pictures, it showed. I continued nude work for a brief while because $100/hour was tempting, but after a month or two I decided it wasn't for me. As a result, now I only do nude work for photographers I am extremely familiar with on a very scarce basis. I didn't find it arousing in any way, and the thought of the photographers I worked with getting aroused made me feel even more uncomfortable.
This is just my two cents though. I'm sure there are situations and shoots where the model and photographer mutually benefit.
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WIP
Posts: 15973
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom
Phoenix Digital Image wrote:
I worked with legendary porn star Marilyn Chambers years before working with models. With that in mind, model shoots, clothed or not, are about as arousing as a plate of french fries. The French fries need to be a bit salty to be arousing.
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Really. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to find it. I wouldn't know how to start.
