-Tegan- wrote:
Hi everyone

Are photographers on here willing to pay for implieds? If so, what is your range? Or just no?

I am just curious in general.

Thanks so much all!

Not me, but I don't pay for clothed or nudes either (not saying I'm too good to pay or anything like that).

If pay was involved, it would come from a client's budget, and they would be paying for a model, not a degree of nudity.

Koryn wrote:
People will pay for versatile, open-minded models who have a devil-may-care attitude and don't give a shit about stuff like whether or not their nipples are visible.

People will pay for models who are easy to book, show up on time, and ready to work within the first ten or so minutes.

People will pay for models who have relatively few limits and fewer expectations - who do not hound them for photos. Who sign the release, take their pay, and leave promptly after the shoot.

If you cannot do those things ^^^ you aren't likely to find yourself inundated with paying work.

This might be the best, most concise, most clear-eyed statement I've ever read about how people succeed as paid models.  Koryn, I hope your shoulder is still healing well and that you never have to write your words under the employ of a gargantuan dick ever again.

-Tegan- wrote:
thanks koryn! I am just curious in general as I see on a lot of model's portfolio's they charge for implieds so was just wondering how it works:)

There is a difference between posting rates and actually getting them.

There is nothing wrong with having limits. There is nothing wrong with asking for payment.

Supply and demand will determine success as always.

Shadow Dancer wrote:

There is a difference between posting rates and actually getting them.

There is nothing wrong with having limits. There is nothing wrong with asking for payment.

Supply and demand will determine success as always.

This!  I do pay models and it's not always for nudes either.

Koryn wrote:
People will pay for versatile, open-minded models who have a devil-may-care attitude and don't give a shit about stuff like whether or not their nipples are visible.

People will pay for models who are easy to book, show up on time, and ready to work within the first ten or so minutes.

People will pay for models who have relatively few limits and fewer expectations - who do not hound them for photos. Who sign the release, take their pay, and leave promptly after the shoot.

If you cannot do those things ^^^ you aren't likely to find yourself inundated with paying work.

*swoon*

-Tegan- wrote:
thanks Good Egg!...so really, if a model is just comfy with implieds, it should be TF only?

Not at all!

You should be paid because you feel that your time and talent are worth it and the photographer (and/or his client, if there is one) agrees with you.
Or
Because you've been asked to do something you wouldn't otherwise do.
Or
Because the photographer's work, concept, etc. would not benefit your portfolio or other goals at the moment.

You should shoot TF when the photographer's work, concept, etc. would benefit your portfolio or other goals at the moment (such as trying implieds or another genre to see whether or not you like it).
Or
You and the photographer are friends (or you think you might become friends) and it's a good excuse to get together..
Or
You believe the shoot might lead directly to paid work, (In which case it's generally called a "test" rather than TF)
Or
You need to update your portfolio
Or
You just want to shoot and to Hell with all those people that say that Models should always be paid (or any other reason that makes sense to you).

You'll note that in the above cases, you are getting something of value out of the shoot just as the photographer is.  That's why it's called "Trade For...".  In other words, it's just another form of mutual payment and recognition between the parties.  And that's true whether the shoot is implieds, nudes, fetish, lifestyle, really no matter what the genre is.  So my advice is to consider implieds, whether trade or paid, in just the same way as you do any other negotiation.  If it makes sense to you for reasons that are good and sufficient to you, do it.  And if it doesn't, don't.

All IMHO as always, of course.

-Tegan- wrote:
thanks Good Egg!...so really, if a model is just comfy with implieds, it should be TF only?

There is no hard and fast "rule." It's not something that can be looked at as some standard of the internet or anything.

But, in general, unless you're willing to shoot full nudes with your face and every ass-pimple and stretchmark on your body visible to every mofo up on teh interwebernetz then it's going to be hard to get paid gigs.

To be a consistently booked freelance model, you really have to just not give a damn about who sees you nekkid on the internet, where your image winds up, or if it's even flattering. After a couple years, there will be absolutely HORRIBLE images of you all over the internet. You really have to be totally okay with that.

I'm not saying that to turn you off to modeling. I'm saying that because it's the truth.

Koryn wrote:
People will pay for versatile, open-minded models who have a devil-may-care attitude and don't give a shit about stuff like whether or not their nipples are visible.

People will pay for models who are easy to book, show up on time, and ready to work within the first ten or so minutes.

People will pay for models who have relatively few limits and fewer expectations - who do not hound them for photos. Who sign the release, take their pay, and leave promptly after the shoot.

If you cannot do those things ^^^ you aren't likely to find yourself inundated with paying work.

This. The more professional and approachable you are - willing to communicate before/during a shoot - the more likely people will want to shoot with you again.

Isis22 wrote:
The more limits you have the more limited paid gigs will be. It is much harder to do implied than to shoot full nudes. Photographers do not want to worry about you feeling like things should be showing that you don't want. They want someone fully comfortable with their body. I'm not saying you shouldn't have limits. Just be aware the more you have the more people will be turned off by them. They don't want a hassle or to feel like they might be stepping on eggshells.

Yes.

I've made a 13 year career by being comfortable in my own skin. Obviously I'm an art nude model and I have limits with eroticism and fetish (I don't do either) but I'm not worried about something showing. That is extremely difficult for all parties to deal with. It's just a complete headache and waste of time. Models who claim to charge for implied nudes are 1. absolutely not making a living doing this and 2. not getting much work at all. I'm a high caliber art model and I take myself and my work completely seriously. It's fine to have limits but just know if your limits show you're not comfortable in your own skin you'll get passed on time and time again. Photographers want someone who is comfortable, professional, and who really wants to help them create with their talent and professionalism.

AJ_In_Atlanta wrote:
I guess my issue is you are looking at photographers as your potential clients, that simply isn't where the money is any more than a photographer looking to get paid by models.

Not true at all. It used to be that way but because everyone has access to the internet and professional gear there are many creative people working on projects constantly. My business has only evolved and gotten busier over the years. Many of these people realize that hiring a professional model who loves what they do will only enhance their creative process, which as a photographer they have the utmost control over. Their portfolio can only evolve by doing this and it does.

Model Sarah wrote:

Yes.

I've made a 13 year career by being comfortable in my own skin. Obviously I'm an art nude model and I have limits with eroticism and fetish (I don't do either) but I'm not worried about something showing. That is extremely difficult for all parties to deal with. It's just a complete headache and waste of time. Models who claim to charge for implied nudes are 1. absolutely not making a living doing this and 2. not getting much work at all. I'm a high caliber art model and I take myself and my work completely seriously. It's fine to have limits but just know if your limits show you're not comfortable in your own skin you'll get passed on time and time again. Photographers want someone who is comfortable, professional, and who really wants to help them create with their talent and professionalism.

A lot of High Fashion Models ( such as Giselle and Adriana Lima ) for editorials and such clients as SI , While they may not get paid much for such - this style work ( tastefully and expertly done ) does enhance their brand

Garry k wrote:

A lot of High Fashion Models ( such as Giselle and Adriana Lima ) for editorials and such clients as SI , While they may not get paid much for such - this style work ( tastefully and expertly done ) does enhance their brand

We're not talking about supermodels here.

Model Sarah wrote:
if your limits show you're not comfortable in your own skin you'll get passed on time and time again. Photographers want someone who is comfortable, professional, and who really wants to help them create with their talent and professionalism.

I am quoting Sarah, but Korin and Isis22 covered similar ground and each are about as experienced and capable a model as you are likely to find.

There is a spontaneity that is lost when the model wants to second guess every pose in case something is showing.

I have done quite a few shoots with models where the aim was to produce implieds, but the successful shoots were always within the context of not being too fussy during the shoot and working backwards afterwards to find the right photos.

As for pay, it is OK for an "implied only" model to pay the photographer.

Model Sarah wrote:

Not true at all. It used to be that way but because everyone has access to the internet and professional gear there are many creative people working on projects constantly. My business has only evolved and gotten busier over the years. Many of these people realize that hiring a professional model who loves what they do will only enhance their creative process, which as a photographer they have the utmost control over. Their portfolio can only evolve by doing this and it does.

I didn't say otherwise, I am saying that isn't where the money is.  A low end catalog shoot would pay $1500 - $2500 a day and may last for up to a week, most photographers would not pay anything close to that.

Model Sarah wrote:
We're not talking about supermodels here.

It seems no matter how new or inexperienced a model is, forum conversations usually end up discussing things that pertain only to the most successful, most experienced models. A new model with 5 shoots under her belt can ask about rates, and the discussion ends up focusing on what the most experienced full time traveling MM models charge, what seasoned agency models make or even what top fashion models make, things that have noting to do with the OP's position.     

It's like a beginner golfer asking about what clubs a beginner should buy and having a discussion that focuses on what top golfers on the PGA tour are using.

AJ_In_Atlanta wrote:
I didn't say otherwise, I am saying that isn't where the money is.  A low end catalog shoot would pay $1500 - $2500 a day and may last for up to a week, most photographers would not pay anything close to that.

Wrong again.

But I digress... You're talking about a completely different genre of modeling that has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

Abbitt Photography wrote:

It seems no matter how new or inexperienced a model is, forum conversations usually end up discussing things that pertain only to the most successful, most experienced models. A new model with 5 shoots under her belt can ask about rates, and the discussion ends up focusing on what the most experienced full time traveling MM models charge, what seasoned agency models make or even what top fashion models make, things that have noting to do with the OP's position.     

It's like a beginner golfer asking about what clubs a beginner should buy and having a discussion that focuses on what top golfers on the PGA tour are using.

Yeah, I mean there is all kinds of modeling. It's not just commercial and fashion anymore in the spotlight. Thanks to the internet everyone now knows people like myself have existed forever. From paintings to cameras it's always been a thing.