SAND DIAL wrote:
He is a talker, not a musician.

You didn't watch the video where he was playing notes on the guitar?

What Fun Productions wrote:
"The shocking sucker punch to the head forced the woman to the ground and left her bleeding and crying until the house lights came back on, according to reports.

First, a sucker punch is not to the head, it's to the abdomen.

Anyway... I watched the video a few times... this was NOT an involuntary reflex reaction as Afroman's spokesman claims... he saw her on the right side when she crossed behind him.

Then he saw her when she was dancing, with stretched out arms and knew exactly where she was. After punching her, he continued to play!

There is nothing that can excuse that behavior... and I am talking from the perspective of someone who trained in martial arts for over 30 years.

He assaulted her, but he could also have pointed to security to remove her from the stage as hundreds (thousands?) of musicians have done at concerts in such situations.

What a complete asshole!

MN Photography wrote:
Did she have a stage pass?  If not, how was this not trespassing?  I thought it was OK to defend yourself against trespassers.

It is OK to defend yourself from a threat, overt or implied.  A drunk woman who thinks she should go up on stage and dance with the performer is an annoyance, is NOT a threat.  Someone from either his crew or the venue's should have escorted her off the stage.  He needs to go to jail.

udor wrote:
First, a sucker punch is not to the head, it's to the abdomen.

Anyway...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sucker+punch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_punch

What Fun Productions wrote:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sucker+punch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_punch

Urban dictionary: 

" sucker punch
Easily confused with a punch defined as a "bitch move" a true sucker punch is quite a bit more complex than a simple unanounced attack.
It primarily involves a closed fist contacting the soft underbelly of a person (beneath the rib cage) at a high velocity, causing the ensuing force to press upward on the victim's diaphram, leading to a sudden expulsion of air from the victim's mouth and lungs. This opening blow leaves the victim open to various other attacks, often leading to what would be called "bitch moves" becuase of the defenseless nature of the victim."

MN Photography wrote:
Did she have a stage pass?  If not, how was this not trespassing?  I thought it was OK to defend yourself against trespassers.

In some states (maybe all???) you can shoot a trespasser dead in self defense.

Should Afroman should have just shot her?

udor wrote:

In some states (maybe all???) you can shoot a trespasser dead in self defense.

Should Afroman should have just shot her?

No, hitting her seemed to work.

Zack Zoll wrote:
Meh.

Keith Richards knocked out a guy that tried to do the same thing with Jagger once. Took off his telecaster, smashed him upside the head with it, and then put it back on and kept playing.

I don't care now strong you are - your meaty hands can't possibly throw a punch with more force than a hard, ten pound object at the end of a long handle. But Richards is not known as a guy that beats up fans. And if The Internet cared, he would be - he wouldn't be the first celebrity to be defaced over something long ago. Hell it's only the fifth, and I doubt he'd even be the first this month.

So the fact that we're talking about Afroman hitting a small woman months ago can only mean one thing: one of the people involved is getting special consideration. Either you're angry that a woman got hit for doing the same thing we would all expect to happen to a man in that situation, or The Internet is casting fault on Afroman because he's a black guy that sings about drugs. We decided a long time ago that only white guys could sing about drugs without being a threat.

And let's not forget that Dimebag Darrell (more drugs!) was shot when a fan jumped on stage.

Either way, it's clearly a matter of someone getting treated differently because of who they are.

His insanely low bail of $330 seems to confirm that the police thought he was in the right.

This woman started crowding the guy, not to mention that she shouldn't have been up there in the first place.  There is no way to know what she could have done. 

Frank Zappa was thrown off a stage in London by someone who went onto the stage.  Zappa suffered serious fractures, head trauma and injuries to his back, leg, and neck, as well as a crushed larynx, which ultimately caused his voice to drop a third after healing. 

This story was posted months after the fact in one of the many dog whistle "see, look what thugs do" threads anyway.

udor wrote:
First, a sucker punch is not to the head, it's to the abdomen.

I always thought a sucker punch was a punch thrown at a time the receiver would least expect it, rather than being a specific body area.

MN Photography wrote:

This woman started crowding the guy, not to mention that she shouldn't have been up there in the first place.  There is no way to know what she could have done. 

Frank Zappa was thrown off a stage in London by someone who went onto the stage.  Zappa suffered serious fractures, head trauma and injuries to his back, leg, and neck, as well as a crushed larynx, which ultimately caused his voice to drop a third after healing. 

This story was posted months after the fact in one of the many dog whistle "see, look what thugs do" threads anyway.

And there are very, very few people with knowledge of the music industry that don't respect Zappa, despite his having one of the harshest expectations and photo policies of any musician at any time. Not everyone got along with him, but pretty much everyone respected him.

Maybe it's because I know Zappa's music, and Afroman is no Zappa. But I think a larger part is because he's black and sings about drugs. And as I said earlier, we only like when white guys do that. Bob Marley is counterculture, but David Crosby is good listening.

MN Photography wrote:

This woman started crowding the guy, not to mention that she shouldn't have been up there in the first place.  There is no way to know what she could have done. 

Frank Zappa was thrown off a stage in London by someone who went onto the stage.  Zappa suffered serious fractures, head trauma and injuries to his back, leg, and neck, as well as a crushed larynx, which ultimately caused his voice to drop a third after healing. 

This story was posted months after the fact in one of the many dog whistle "see, look what thugs do" threads anyway.

And there are very, very few people with knowledge of the music industry that don't respect Zappa, despite his having one of the harshest expectations and photo policies of any musician at any time. Not everyone got along with him, but pretty much everyone respected him.

Maybe it's because I know Zappa's music, and Afroman is no Zappa. But I think a larger part is because he's black and sings about drugs. And as I said earlier, we only like when white guys do that. Bob Marley is counterculture, but David Crosby is good listening.

udor wrote:
In some states (maybe all???) you can shoot a trespasser dead in self defense.

Should Afroman should have just shot her?

MN Photography wrote:
No, hitting her seemed to work.

So, you think that unjustifiable violence to a non threatening situation is justified?

It's pretty sad that you defend an incredible violent and absolutely unnecessary action!

We just had this thread on MM recently about this kid that had a super low tolerance for people "invading his personal space". Kids coming too close at the lunch line, etc.

The consent was that this kid need psychological help because he lacked of impulse control... immediately, before he turns into a sociopath.

Afroman saw the woman and he punched her. In his lame apology, he claimed that he thought she was a guy who was heckling him (supposedly). Then after he punches "him"... he sees that it was a woman and not guy.

Now... if he instinctively thought he hit a guy, but realized that it was a women... his reaction was NOT ... "OMG... I have made a mistake... are you okay???", his reaction was, he turned around and continued to play!

The official story from his camp is bullshit... his apology is constructed... his "anger management course" is a PR cover.

He violated a drunk fan of his music, who paid to see him. She was out of line and out of her mind... but there is absolutely no justification to knock out a person like that!

Oh... and using a "Keith Richards did it!" defense is as weak ass as the "twinky defense".

Zack Zoll wrote:
But I think a larger part is because he's black and sings about drugs. And as I said earlier, we only like when white guys do that.

Oh Zack... I value your insight about photography and printing much more...

GK photo wrote:
edit: no one quoted wfp's op, and they just removed the link...smooth.

Surprising.  I thought that person usually stood by their passive aggressive dog whistles. 

Thread over I guess.  They can't all work.

What Fun Productions wrote:
Removed.

This thread is taking a turn I did not intend.

What WAS your intention, showing how a tipsy woman, having a good time at an inappropriate location being punched and knocked out by the musician she liked a lot?

Promoting world peace? Showing how art can overcome differences and bring people together?

What was your intention?

What Fun Productions wrote:
Removed.

This thread is taking a turn I did not intend.

is there an emoji for scratching your head?

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Nothing excuses his actions. as was said by others he sized up the situation visually.despite this, he hit a girl.  imagine if we all did at work....say you are doing a power point presentation...and suzy from IT comes in drunk and saunters over to you...  is the first instinct to swing?  if it is, you have anger issues.

They weren't co-workers.  She was trespassing.  Why does it matter if she is a woman?  Women can't dangerous?  Or is it their inherent daintiness, their need-to-be-protected-by-big-strong-men-ness?

Tony Lawrence wrote:
She shouldn't been on the stage and darn sure not rubbing her butt on him but he was wrong to hit her and in my mind deserves some jail time or a serious fine.   Unless she was a immediate threat... women rubbing their behinds on you aren't a threat.   At least most men wouldn't think so.

That's how it starts.   You get a little girlbutt Syph on your sleeve.  A month later, your arm falls off, your organs turn to soup, and your face turns into a giant clitoris.   Don't let it happen to you.   Don't let a girl rub her butt against you!!!!

udor wrote:
Oh Zack... I value your insight about photography and printing much more...

I have no idea what you mean by this, other than that you disagree with what I've said for some reason.

But you're one of the few people that have spelled my name correctly(despite it being right there in the quote tag), and I appreciate that.

Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:

That's how it starts.   You get a little girlbutt Syph on your sleeve.  A month later, your arm falls off, your organs turn to soup, and your face turns into a giant clitoris.   Don't let it happen to you.   Don't let a girl rub her butt against you!!!!

I've missed you!   She should have kicked him in the bawls.

MN Photography wrote:

They weren't co-workers.  She was trespassing.  Why does it matter if she is a woman?  Woman can't dangerous?  Or is it their inherent daintiness, their need-to-be-protected-by-big-strong-men-ness?

Wow, really?   When I was younger and had a full head of hair a decent looking woman grabbed my butt at a club.   I didn't punch her.   She was drunk and I would have knocked the shi* out of a man.   Should she have rubbed her butt on Afroman, no.   Should that fool have knocked one of his few fans down?   Fuc# No!   I will say.  You're kind of scary.

MN Photography wrote:

They weren't co-workers.  She was trespassing.  Why does it matter if she is a woman?  Women can't dangerous?  Or is it their inherent daintiness, their need-to-be-protected-by-big-strong-men-ness?

oh geez... trespassing! oh brother...way to try and sell it.

a girl came on stage...his body language wasnt one of being threatened.and you arent going to turn my argument on its head regarding womens "daintiness".   a man...doesn't sock a woman that hasn't hit him. he knew the woman was just having fun. women irritate me all the time....I dont roundhouse them in the face. we are supposed to be out of our caveman days

Lovely Day Media wrote:
I think it was 1968 when, at a football game featuring the Baltimore Colts, a drunk fan ran out onto the field.  Security couldn't catch him right away, so Colts safety Mike Curtis lined him up and hit him like a wide receiver trying to catch a ball across the middle. Absolutely blasted the guy is what he did. Curtis said later that his teammates ripped him for it back in the huddle saying he was going to give everyone a bad name. Curtis replies: that man broke a city ordinance and I enforced it. If he comes out there again, I'll do it again.

mike curtis. one of the great #32s of all time. remember the rick monday event in chicago? i do.

it's simple. don't fuck with people while they're working. think of how many times you've been bothered at work, by non-coworkers. folks who sit in offices all day don't have to deal with that, but if your job requires you to be out where john q can fuck with you, he (or she) inevitably will.

GK photo wrote:
mike curtis. one of the great #32s of all time. remember the rick monday event in chicago? i do.

it's simple. don't fuck with people while they're working. think of how many times you've been bothered at work, by non-coworkers. folks who sit in offices all day don't have to deal with that, but if your job requires you to be out where john q can fuck with you, he (or she) inevitably will.

I don't know why there is no sound to it, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdP2G7UtS9I

Then there was the time the Maple Leafs came to Philly. Tie Domi went to the penalty box (again) and fans heckled him (par for the course). One guy tried to take it to a new level and did. He fell into the penalty box when the glass broke and he starts swinging at the biggest goon in hockey at that time. Bad move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_92eKcGMI

We won't talk about the fight in Detroit between the Pistons, Pacers and fans. This one was a little different because the players went into the stands to fight people but for those idiots that went onto the court .... hoo boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQIIOWPNYM0

Lovely Day Media wrote:
Forever being the contrarian ... how about this: the man has a wife or girlfriend in the crowd (or even at home) who is constantly accusing him of cheating on her. He's not exactly a household name, so he has to work harder than someone who is.. He's playing this "frat house" and this drunk woman jumps up there on stage. He's angry because he's working, trying to make a name for himself, trying to feed his family and she's making a mockery of it all. Then the wench wants to make it a sexual scene. Since she's touching him in a "sexual" way, he doesn't want to give anyone the implication that he's aroused at all so he does the exact opposite thing ... instead of going with it, he knocks her out. We don't know what her intentions were but we know what his were ... get rid of her as quickly as possible.

For those who have never performed live, whatever happens, don't stop playing. It's one thing if the place is on fire. If a shoe falls off, you trip and fall, sing a wrong note, ... whatever it is. I've never performed on a stage like that but I was in my high school's marching band. Same deal. One year, we got new uniforms. They measured everyone so they could be sure the uniforms would fit. Well, in between the time they measured us and the uniforms arrived, I dropped 30 pounds. At our first football game, part of my uniform slid off me. I let it slide. As we came off the field, I told one of the advisers and they picked it up for me. I got some ribbing for it at the banquet that year but that's okay. I'm sure a few people noticed. Many more would've if I had bent down to pick it up myself.

In another scenario, suppose this woman "caused no immediate threat" so he let her stay up there. After the show, she sobers up and decides that he "groped" her while she was on the stage so she contacts police. There are many "witnesses" who saw it, too. He gets charged with a sexual assault of some type for groping her without her permission. She shouldn't have been on the stage but he's the one being charged. If the charges stand, he might end up with jail time, probation or just a fine, but no doubt they'll want him to register as a sex offender.  What happens if it works out that this "woman" is just 15 years old?

Hitting her was likely the wrong thing to do, but if there is no security, one has to take care of these things themselves.

I think it was 1968 when, at a football game featuring the Baltimore Colts, a drunk fan ran out onto the field.  Security couldn't catch him right away, so Colts safety Mike Curtis lined him up and hit him like a wide receiver trying to catch a ball across the middle. Absolutely blasted the guy is what he did. Curtis said later that his teammates ripped him for it back in the huddle saying he was going to give everyone a bad name. Curtis replies: that man broke a city ordinance and I enforced it. If he comes out there again, I'll do it again.

The point is .... if you can't run with the big dogs, stay off the porch (or stage).

So You lost some weight in high school and you had a wardrobe malfunction while playing in the school marching band ?

Garry k wrote:
So You lost some weight in high school and you had a wardrobe malfunction while playing in the school marching band ?

I did, but that wasn't the point. The point was when you're performing live, keep performing and act like nothing happened. If one stops, everyone will know. If one doesn't, most people won't know anything happened at all.

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:

I always thought a sucker punch was a punch thrown at a time the receiver would least expect it, rather than being a specific body area.

Yes.

gorgeous3mikecasa wrote:
Sucker punching a girl is so vile...

But a regular punch would be okay?

And while we're on the subject, how can this be a 'sucker punch?' The woman was somewhere she wasn't supposed to be, and was apparently too drunk to care. You almost can't 'sucker punch' someone in that situation; that's language you use to describe punching the guy that cut in front of you in line.

I'm not saying he was in the right. But I am saying that the language that we use to describe an event changes based on who is involved, and that language presupposes an outcome, and even pushes the conversation in that direction.

The New York Post is infamous for that. It's one thing to describe James Holmes as a killer before he's found guilty, because there was a mountain of evidence, and he didn't even deny it in court. It's another thing to run a headline describing a politician as having taken bribes or the like, when they haven't even been charged yet.

There are all these little words used, like 'systematic.' Almost everyone that killed more than one person with a gun went on a 'systematic killing spree.' Two of those words even contradict each other? You know who actually was a systematic killer? Zodiac. Gacy. Those guys followed a system. Holmes, Roof, etc. had plans, but they were not systematic.

But those words are used because it allows the media to 'punch up' the story and get clicks, and to cast accusations while still being impartial, albeit by the most technical of definitions.

This is why Afroman 'sucker punched' a fan, instead of 'punching her in the head.' Both are technically correct, but one sounds way worse than the other.

Russell Crowd got into fistfights. Sean Penn sucker punched photographers. If anything, Penn at least hit guys that mostly deserved it. But Sean Penn wasn't in A Beautiful Mind. At the time, he was just Spicoli.

So he gets the worse language and Crowd gets a pass, at least until he's been at it for a couple years.