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Connor Photography

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Ivan Krasko, 85, married  his former student Natalya Shevel, 24.

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03435/POTD_Ivan-Krasko-a_3435373k.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … fe-24.html

Sep 11 15 04:38 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

A handsome couple. Both look good for their age.

Maybe they like each other? Maybe they both like what each other can bring to a new marriage?

They are both adults. Lots of women have a natural inclination to get married in their 20's.

Sep 11 15 05:37 pm Link

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DiDi Majors

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Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

It's not like he's 90.

Sep 11 15 05:41 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

DiDi wrote:
It's not like he's 90.

Haha

Sep 11 15 05:43 pm Link

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Motordrive Photography

Posts: 7086

Lodi, California, US

shotgun marriage? big_smile

Sep 11 15 05:44 pm Link

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Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Love and commitment mean different things for different people.For some, it is passion. For others, security and safety. Still others have a more "companionate" understanding of love, and these are the people who say, "Marry your best friend."

Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

Sep 11 15 05:53 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Koryn wrote:
Love and commitment mean different things for different people.For some, it is passion. For others, security and safety. Still others have a more "companionate" understanding of love, and these are the people who say, "Marry your best friend."

Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

That's nice to read. I like the way you think and write.

There can also be attraction to the accumulated experiences of a lifetime.

Sep 11 15 06:09 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

It's really not our business to judge the personal choices and private lives of others, is it?

I wish the best for them.

Life is as sweet as we let it.

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Lots of people get married in the same general age bracket. I can't see where that particularly increases the odds of a happy and successful marriage.

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He assured his six sons that the "Country Estate" in his will has not changed.

So who's being mercenary here, waiting for the old guy to kick off?

In any case, it's his will to write or change as he likes, right? Those are more personal choices. His life, his celebrity, his wealth, ... his choices. As long as he's still alive and able to manage his life as he sees fit, it's his life to manage.

On his wedding day, it's premature to start arguing over who gets his Louis XIV sofa, isn't it?

https://showbiz-news.ru/uploads/posts/2015-09/thumbs/84-letniy-akter-ivan-krasko-zhenilsya-na-24-letney-studentke_3.jpeg

Nice photo. They both look happy.

Sep 11 15 06:20 pm Link

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Bobby C

Posts: 2696

Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand

I think I know how it happened:
https://carolynthomas.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/viagra2.gif
and
https://www.financemagnates.com/forex/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2015/04/rubles.jpg

Wish the handsome couple some more years of love, lust and happiness.

Sep 11 15 06:20 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

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Brooklyn, New York, US

Connor Photography wrote:

Have you lead a sheltered life ?
You have not heard about these type of marriages ?

You are medical professional I believe ?
What are the Dementia rates for people 85 and up ?
Also please google "Gold Digger"

Sep 11 15 06:53 pm Link

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What Fun Productions

Posts: 20868

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Once gray never stray.

Sep 11 15 06:55 pm Link

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Tony From Syracuse

Posts: 2503

Syracuse, New York, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
A handsome couple. Both look good for their age.

Maybe they like each other? Maybe they both like what each other can bring to a new marriage?

They are both adults. Lots of women have an natural inclination to get married in their 20's.

I was thinking the same thing. he does look great

Sep 11 15 07:38 pm Link

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martin b

Posts: 2770

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

It's hard enough to find love.  I cheer for it anywhere it happens.  Congrats.  wish I was the photographer for the wedding.

Sep 11 15 08:23 pm Link

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Delia Mak

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New York, New York, US

Koryn wrote:
Love and commitment mean different things for different people.For some, it is passion. For others, security and safety. Still others have a more "companionate" understanding of love, and these are the people who say, "Marry your best friend."

Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

Perfect.

Sep 11 15 08:32 pm Link

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Jerry Nemeth

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Dearborn, Michigan, US

There was a US Supreme Court Justice who married a much younger woman.

Sep 11 15 08:49 pm Link

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NolaChick

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New Orleans, Louisiana, US

A thread that judges other people for their life decisions. Yaaayyyy....

Sep 12 15 01:17 am Link

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Dean Johnson Photo

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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Moderator Note!

Koryn wrote:
Love and commitment mean different things for different people.For some, it is passion. For others, security and safety. Still others have a more "companionate" understanding of love, and these are the people who say, "Marry your best friend."

Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

This needs to be highlighted.

Sep 12 15 08:00 am Link

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Managing Light

Posts: 2678

Salem, Virginia, US

Koryn wrote:
Love and commitment mean different things for different people.For some, it is passion. For others, security and safety. Still others have a more "companionate" understanding of love, and these are the people who say, "Marry your best friend."

Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

Koryn, you never cease to amaze me.  Just keep on doing it.

Sep 12 15 09:09 am Link

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Risen Phoenix Photo

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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Koryn wrote:
Love and commitment mean different things for different people.For some, it is passion. For others, security and safety. Still others have a more "companionate" understanding of love, and these are the people who say, "Marry your best friend."

Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

Beautifuly said.... Maybe that is why some of us are photographers smile

Sep 12 15 09:21 am Link

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Mortonovich

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San Diego, California, US

https://www.quickmeme.com/img/fc/fc2fca5cc8833d35c92822a6af386914480a4e7c2411a6329d9742eb6bc89110.jpg

Sep 12 15 09:25 am Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

Koryn wrote:
Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

It is easy to see how an old man can easily fall into love a young woman, what does the old man can offer beside his money and fortune.

Sep 12 15 09:36 am Link

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Connor Photography

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Newark, Delaware, US

Bobby C wrote:
I think I know how it happened:
https://carolynthomas.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/viagra2.gif

Viagra may not be effective in his case,  he needs a penile implant.

Sep 12 15 09:37 am Link

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udor

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New York, New York, US

Koryn wrote:
Love and commitment mean different things for different people.For some, it is passion. For others, security and safety. Still others have a more "companionate" understanding of love, and these are the people who say, "Marry your best friend."

Maybe that man wants to spend his remaining years with someone beautiful, who will light up what time he has left with their youth, passion and enthusiasm. Maybe that woman wants to give that gift to him, and there will be both financial and emotional rewards for making this decision.

There is something amazing about the lightness of youth, the boldness of it, the way people in their 20s live fearlessly. This dims as we age, no matter how we fight it. That lightness is incredibly easy to fall in love with.

Thanks Koryn!

I am so appalled by judgmental people who constantly have to stick their noses in consenting adult's bedrooms.

It's always the same arguments: "she must be a gold digger", "he must be rich", "that is disgusting", "they don't have anything in common", "this is irresponsible", "she has mental problems, e.g. 'daddy issues'"

This reflects not only an incredible ageism, but also an ignorance about human interactions.

The actor was his wife's student. They had a lot of interactions in class, and she might have just been attracted to his wit and charm and became fascinated by him as a person and life experience.

But, people's imaginations are running wild, because the don't understand that attraction can go beyond the physical and once that attraction is there, there could be physical attraction, where e.g. the young woman doesn't have sex with a "wrinkly body" but with the whole person that she loves.

Sep 12 15 09:49 am Link

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ethasleftthebuilding

Posts: 16685

Key West, Florida, US

I have heard people many times, who jump up and down screaming about how everyone has the right to marry who they want, and then criticize and name call a particular couple because they married each other.

Sep 12 15 11:13 am Link

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Koryn

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Boston, Massachusetts, US

Connor Photography wrote:
It is easy to see how an old man can easily fall into love a young woman, what does the old man can offer beside his money and fortune.

There is a unique joy to be found in knowing you have given someone something that represents bliss and happiness to them. This may be especially true near the end of life.

For some of us (myself included) making another person happy is a truly joyful, transcendent experience.

I can see how there could be great emotional rewards to having a much, much older partner, ensuring they will finish life having lived it exactly as they wanted. There would be a satisfaction in knowing one's spouse gets to pass from this life, looking at a face they feel is beautiful, and supported by arms that are still young and filled with strength. There is a beauty, and a peculiar sense of hope in that.

Some would feel blessed to be able to give that joy to a person. Perhaps she does as well.

Sep 12 15 11:42 am Link

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Connor Photography

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Newark, Delaware, US

ernst tischler wrote:
I have heard people many times, who jump up and down screaming about how everyone has the right to marry who they want, and then criticize and name call a particular couple because they married each other.

I can argue either side of the argument.  No one here was jumping up and down except you.  Whet is the problem?  mad

Sep 12 15 01:05 pm Link

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Connor Photography

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Newark, Delaware, US

Koryn wrote:
There is a unique joy to be found in knowing you have given someone something that represents bliss and happiness to them. This may be especially true near the end of life.

For some of us (myself included) making another person happy is a truly joyful, transcendent experience.

I can see how there could be great emotional rewards to having a much, much older partner, ensuring they will finish life having lived it exactly as they wanted. There would be a satisfaction in knowing one's spouse gets to pass from this life, looking at a face they feel is beautiful, and supported by arms that are still young and filled with strength. There is a beauty, and a peculiar sense of hope in that.

Some would feel blessed to be able to give that joy to a person. Perhaps she does as well.

All of us enjoy making someone happy especially to our partner.   Obviously, Shevel has done very well and so did Anna Nicole Smith with Howard Marshall. I fell sorry for the family of Marshall.  There are many ways to please the partner in this type of relationship, as friends, FWB or marriage.  In this 85/24 union, marriage does have the most benefit for the 24 YO.    I hope there is a prenuptial agreement in place. 

I love capitalism.  Money can buy many things.  smile

Sep 12 15 01:26 pm Link

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ethasleftthebuilding

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Key West, Florida, US

ernst tischler wrote:
I have heard people many times, who jump up and down screaming about how everyone has the right to marry who they want, and then criticize and name call a particular couple because they married each other.

Connor Photography wrote:
I can argue either side of the argument.  No one here was jumping up and down except you.  Whet is the problem?  mad

You misread my comment.  I did not mention anyone here...and I was not jumping.

Sep 12 15 01:29 pm Link

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ethasleftthebuilding

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Key West, Florida, US

Connor Photography wrote:
In this 85/24 union, marriage does have the most benefit for the 24 YO.

The most benefit for the 24YO?  Financially perhaps.  But there is so much more to life, relationships and love than money.

What is the love and caring of a devoted wonderful woman worth to a man in his golden years? 

Perhaps I see it from a different perspective, being not too far from my golden years.  My children are all grown and doing well financially, they don't NEED any inheritance from me to get by on.  If I have the love and caring of a wonderful woman in my last years of life, I will have no problem with leaving her a large portion of my estate.

Sep 12 15 01:41 pm Link

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Connor Photography

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Newark, Delaware, US

udor wrote:

Thanks Koryn!

I am so appalled by judgmental people who constantly have to stick their noses in consenting adult's bedrooms.

It's always the same arguments: "she must be a gold digger", "he must be rich", "that is disgusting", "they don't have anything in common", "this is irresponsible", "she has mental problems, e.g. 'daddy issues'"

This reflects not only an incredible ageism, but also an ignorance about human interactions.

The actor was his wife's student. They had a lot of interactions in class, and she might have just been attracted to his wit and charm and became fascinated by him as a person and life experience.

But, people's imaginations are running wild, because the don't understand that attraction can go beyond the physical and once that attraction is there, there could be physical attraction, where e.g. the young woman doesn't have sex with a "wrinkly body" but with the whole person that she loves.

Young women marry to very old men (80 and up) are not very often in North America, but it is very often in other countries when the opportunities or upward mobility are not there.    I am sure there must be some true love. 

I have once captained a sailboat for a 75 YO retried Canadian who bought a 40' old sailboat in US.  I sailed his boat from Cayman Island to Panama Canal.  He had a Filipino teenage girl who recently flown into the Island who was her first time away from her family on board with us.  They whole trip was just so odd and I felt so uncomfortable.  I hope she will learn to love him.  I jumped off in Panama Canal and was not to continue to Galapagos Islands and French Polynesia.   

I am sure sex with a young girl must be nice, but at what cost to her psychologically.

Sep 12 15 01:59 pm Link

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Connor Photography

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Newark, Delaware, US

ernst tischler wrote:
Perhaps I see it from a different perspective, being not too far from my golden years.  My children are all grown and doing well financially, they don't NEED any inheritance from me to get by on.  If I have the love and caring of a wonderful woman in my last years of life, I will have no problem with leaving her a large portion of my estate.

I doubt you will have the young girl in North America fall for you unless you have lots of  money like Trump.  The closest spot from U.S. for Young Love is Dominican Republic, or you can go to south east of Asia. No, don't worry.  I wont jump up and down or to judge you. 

Capitalism at it best.  big_smile

Sep 12 15 02:09 pm Link

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Bobby C

Posts: 2696

Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand

Quite common in Thailand, old white guys with very young Thai gfs/wives
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/11/258E6F1C00000578-0-image-m-2_1423678210104.jpg

and rock stars.
https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02435/ronnie-wood-weddin_2435397b.jpg

Basic economics: Supply and demand.
https://i.investopedia.com/inv/tutorials/site/economics/economics5.gif
Having said that, so was slavery a result of supply and demand, so there are ethical issues i.e. these types of relationships might  be unethical.

Btw, my grandfather had 3 wives ( all legal in those days ) ; the youngest was about 40 years younger than him.

Sep 12 15 02:14 pm Link

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Connor Photography

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Newark, Delaware, US

Bobby C wrote:
Quite common in Thailand, old white guys with very young Thai gfs/wives
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/11/258E6F1C00000578-0-image-m-2_1423678210104.jpg

Yes, this type of scene is very common in DR, and Central America.  Of course, some people here will say it is very rewarding to please an old man.  Unfortunately, when the old man dies, they will not get anythings.

Sep 12 15 02:26 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

I think a woman in her young 20's should take me out for a test drive to see if she can capture my armor encrusted heart.

I'm curious to know if someone that age can still hold my interest at a more intimate level for more than a short period of time.

Sep 12 15 02:38 pm Link

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Bobby C

Posts: 2696

Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand

Connor Photography wrote:
Young women marry to very old men (80 and up) are not very often in North America, but it is very often in other countries when the opportunities or upward mobility are not there.    I am sure there must be some true love. 
I have once captained a sailboat for a 75 YO retried Canadian who bought a 40' old sailboat in US.  I sailed his boat from Cayman Island to Panama Canal.  He had a Filipino teenage girl who recently flown into the Island who was her first time away from her family on board with us.  They whole trip was just so odd and I felt so uncomfortable.  I hope she will learn to love him.  I jumped off in Panama Canal and was not to continue to Galapagos Islands and French Polynesia.   
I am sure sex with a young girl must be nice, but at what cost to her psychologically.

The US is a very individualistic society and women ( as well as men ) here tend to be individualistic.
A country like Thailand is traditionally more communal, social. A lot of Asian societies also have the tradition of women being subservient/taking care of the husband and house ( The man's job is to go work outside and bring home the bacon).
Most, if not all the women who are in the prostitution business ( yes they see it as business, hence highly  advisable not to fall in love with a Thai prostitute; countless cases of men getting "burnt" pretty badly once the money dries up ) are from Northern Thailand, Isan, which is the poorest region of Thailand. Most are farmers. One of the few opportunities they have of earning cash is to come to the cities and work. Lots of them do menial jobs and get into prostitution; they see it as another job ( most Thai prostitutes in Thailand are not trafficked ) : easy money, do it while young, Thai society does not have taboos against prostitution.
Their ticket out of poverty is to marry a retired white man. These men are lonely ( divorced, widowed, Western society is very ageist so old people here can be quite miserable ). They take care of the old geezer and the old geezer gets companionship with benefits ( being taken care of and sex ) while living in a beautiful tropical country.  Win-win.
Having said all that, there might be a psychological price to pay for the young women but I think the financial gains trump that. The old geezers will die soon enough anyway and after that the women will get the house and money so all's well that ends well.
https://thailandrealestate.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/beautiful-thailand-02.jpg

Sep 12 15 02:40 pm Link

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Click Hamilton

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San Diego, California, US

Not only women, but most people are prostitutes, whether they realize it or not.

Lines of demarcation become quite blurry.

Sep 12 15 02:48 pm Link

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ethasleftthebuilding

Posts: 16685

Key West, Florida, US

ernst tischler wrote:
Perhaps I see it from a different perspective, being not too far from my golden years.  My children are all grown and doing well financially, they don't NEED any inheritance from me to get by on.  If I have the love and caring of a wonderful woman in my last years of life, I will have no problem with leaving her a large portion of my estate.

Connor Photography wrote:
I doubt you will have the young girl in North America fall for you unless you have lots of  money like Trump.  The closest spot from U.S. for Young Love is Dominican Republic, or you can go to south east of Asia. No, don't worry.  I wont jump up and down or to judge you. 

Capitalism at it best.  big_smile

Nowhere in my comment did I use the word "young".  Seems like the only jumping around here is to conclusions.

But since you mentioned it, I have never had a problem attracting younger women.  I have also found that the older I get, the number of women younger than me increases.  You can attribute my success to my dashing good looks or my financial holdings if you would like, I prefer to think it is my charming personality and quick wit.  LOL 

...and just so you know, one is not required to have anywhere near the amount of money that Trump has for the "gold digger" types to set their sights on you.

Sep 12 15 03:00 pm Link

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martin b

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Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

Here in the Philippines you can see many pensioners (older white gentlemen) with younger women.  It isn't really looked down on except by more western educated women.  The more traditional men and women will congratulate you. 

I just find it strange that the more liberal/feminists tend to be the ones opposed to this.  To us, these men give the women more economic freedom and many times the women will inherit the pension should her husband die.

The picture of the girl in grey is a care giver not a wife.  That is traditional clothing for a home care giver.

Sep 12 15 05:19 pm Link

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Bobby C

Posts: 2696

Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand

martin b wrote:
...
The picture of the girl in grey is a care giver not a wife.  That is traditional clothing for a home care giver.

Here's the source:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/11/258E6F1C00000578-0-image-m-2_1423678210104.jpg
Couple: James Bonard Fowler, 82, and his wife, Noi, 44, at their home in rural Alabama.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … z3lZha5Er4

Sep 12 15 05:43 pm Link

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martin b

Posts: 2770

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

wow.  I guess you are right.  Thanks.  Next time Im in Thailand I will know better.

Also Interesting article.

Sep 12 15 05:50 pm Link