martin b wrote:
I think CNN was trying to pit them against each other but it wasn't too successful.  Donald Trump didn't come in fighting spirit.  He also started looking a little haggard toward the last hour.  Me too.  That was a lot of politics for me.

The guys on the radio were talking about Trump this morning.  One commented about Trump seemed to lose some steam and look tired about halfway through the three hour debate.  The other said he wondered how hard Trump is accustomed to working...because Presidential campaigns required long hours, constant travel without many breaks.

Brian Diaz wrote:
I missed the first, oh, 4 hours.  Was there any explanation of why the were standing in front of an airplane?

They wanted to show that Trump isn't the only one with access to an airplane...

GK photo wrote:
three hours was entirely too long for a debate. and the first hour spent asking questions of the candidates to respond to accusations and quotes from other competitors was pretty weak. it was pedantic and unnecessary. that whole thing could have been done in two hours, whilst eliminating all the tabloid questions.

I agree.

Chuckarelei wrote:
CNN gave way too much time to Trump, like pandering for rating. First one to interview right after the debate? Guess who? Donald Trump.

I have an astute, accurate and good answer to your opening post, ... but alas, ....

Brian Diaz wrote:
I missed the first, oh, 4 hours.  Was there any explanation of why the were standing in front of an airplane?

If you are fond of President Reagan as our last great and serious President who was popularly loved by the people who voted him into office against the wishes of those who normally control our government and it's succession of lame presidents, and have not yet been for a visit, you should visit the Reagan Library. It's a beautiful and impressive place. That plane was a profound part of history.

There was a lot of heady foreign policy going on in those years when President Reagan and the talented people around him lead the United States and the rest of the free world to victory in the Cold War and managed to dismantle the Soviet Union without triggering unspeakable disasters. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, liberation from tryanny was breaking out all over the world. It was a deep-rooted fundamental transformation that freed hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people from political oppression.

The plane in the background is Air Force One during the Reagan Administration and it's hangar is one of the larger venues at the Reagan Library for hosting lots of people. Reagan's Air Force One is usually open for visitors to walk through and experience.

http://www.reaganfoundation.org/listvie … mp;argsb=N

That would be the short answer to your question.

sospix wrote:
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Not sure if scary or funny.

Brian Diaz wrote:
I missed the first, oh, 4 hours.  Was there any explanation of why the were standing in front of an airplane?

udor wrote:
They wanted to show that Trump isn't the only one with access to an airplane...

Location was at the Reagan Presidential Library -- the hanger there contains Reagan's  Air Force One


(not really so crazy -- replacements are the current 747s -- the old (by decades) plane, if it was to be sold, or otherwise re-used would have very limited value because it would need a complete overhaul to remove and replace the custom interior and special communications gear etc -- so you have an impressive museum piece instead.  Just swap in some old end of life engines and park it.)

New 747-8's are to be the new Air Force Ones.   It's already in the works.

Brian Diaz wrote:
I missed the first, oh, 4 hours.  Was there any explanation of why the were standing in front of an airplane?

The debate was hosted by the Reagan Presidential Library.  That is where the old 707 Air Force One plane is on display.  It is the second 707 used as Air Force One.

The first 707 used as Air Force One is at the Air Force Museum in Ohio.

Click Hamilton wrote:
The plane in the background is Air Force One during the Reagan Administration and it's in one of the larger venues for hosting lots of people. Reagan's Air Force One is usually open for visitors to walk through and experience.

I get that part.  What I didn't get was why they chose that location.  Personally, I found it distracting from the messages the candidates were offering. 

Unfortunately, I think it speaks to CNN's quest for ratings, rather than reporting the issues.  An more neutral auditorium might have bored viewers and lost some ad revenue.  Sigh.

Brian Diaz wrote:
I get that part.  What I didn't get was why they chose that location.  Personally, I found it distracting from the messages the candidates were offering. 

Unfortunately, I think it speaks to CNN's quest for ratings, rather than reporting the issues.  An more neutral auditorium might have bored viewers and lost some ad revenue.  Sigh.

It's too bad there is so much hype.

Watching the debates comes across like a "real life" choreography of the Hunger Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtoAjFwKBmU

Brian Diaz wrote:
I get that part.  What I didn't get was why they chose that location.  Personally, I found it distracting from the messages the candidates were offering. 

Unfortunately, I think it speaks to CNN's quest for ratings, rather than reporting the issues.  An more neutral auditorium might have bored viewers and lost some ad revenue.  Sigh.

I'm not sure if CNN selected the location or if the Republican National Committee made the selection. 

I can totally understand why the RNC would select the Reagan Library and use Air Force One as the backdrop.  It is a play to those who fondly remember Reagan and think about that is the plane that took Reagan to Berlin where her said "tear down this wall" and also took Reagan to meetings with Gorbachev in the years before the collapse of the Soviet Union.  Think about that in the context of how weak the US appears today on the world stage.  The Republicans were making a statement with that location choice.

Click Hamilton wrote:
It's too bad there is so much hype.

Watching the debates comes across like a "real life" choreography of the Hunger Games

I'd like to see actual debates, like the kind I recall attending at local political rallies when I was a kid.  All the candidates for a particular county office would stand on the stage, were each given a set time to introduce themselves.  The people attending the rally had filled out a topic card when they arrived, the debate began with the moderator giving the candidates a topic to discuss.  The topic found on the most cards was first.  The candidates would debate the topic, with the moderator only keeping time, for the set amount of time.  Then they were given the next topic.  ...and so on.

ernst tischler wrote:

I'm not sure if CNN selected the location or if the Republican National Committee made the selection. 

I can totally understand why the RNC would select the Reagan Library and use Air Force One as the backdrop.  It is a play to those who fondly remember Reagan and think about that is the plane that took Reagan to Berlin where her said "tear down this wall" and also took Reagan to meetings with Gorbachev in the years before the collapse of the Soviet Union.  Think about that in the context of how weak the US appears today on the world stage.  The Republicans were making a statement with that location choice.

Funny, since it was also the plane Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton used (as well as Nixon, Ford, and both Bushes).

Brian Diaz wrote:

ernst tischler wrote:
I'm not sure if CNN selected the location or if the Republican National Committee made the selection. 

I can totally understand why the RNC would select the Reagan Library and use Air Force One as the backdrop.  It is a play to those who fondly remember Reagan and think about that is the plane that took Reagan to Berlin where her said "tear down this wall" and also took Reagan to meetings with Gorbachev in the years before the collapse of the Soviet Union.  Think about that in the context of how weak the US appears today on the world stage.  The Republicans were making a statement with that location choice.

Funny, since it was also the plane Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton used (as well as Nixon, Ford, and both Bushes).[/quote



SAM 27000's last flight as Air Force One was on 29 August 2001 when it flew President George W. Bush from San Antonio to Waco, Texas. Following the flight it was formally decommissioned, then flown to San Bernardino International Airport (former Norton AFB) in California. It was later dismantled and taken to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, where it was reassembled and is on permanent display.

Brian Diaz wrote:

ernst tischler wrote:
I'm not sure if CNN selected the location or if the Republican National Committee made the selection. 

I can totally understand why the RNC would select the Reagan Library and use Air Force One as the backdrop.  It is a play to those who fondly remember Reagan and think about that is the plane that took Reagan to Berlin where her said "tear down this wall" and also took Reagan to meetings with Gorbachev in the years before the collapse of the Soviet Union.  Think about that in the context of how weak the US appears today on the world stage.  The Republicans were making a statement with that location choice.

Funny, since it was also the plane Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton used (as well as Nixon, Ford, and both Bushes).[/quote



SAM 27000's last flight as Air Force One was on 29 August 2001 when it flew President George W. Bush from San Antonio to Waco, Texas. Following the flight it was formally decommissioned, then flown to San Bernardino International Airport (former Norton AFB) in California. It was later dismantled and taken to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, where it was reassembled and is on permanent display.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_VC-25

The VC-25 aircraft are flown by the Presidential Airlift Group and assigned to Air Mobility Command's 89th Airlift Wing at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland. Air Force One often operates in conjunction with Marine One helicopters that transport the President to and from airports in situations when this option is prefered over a vehicle motorcade. The VC-25 has served as the main aerial transport platform for Presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama.

Brian Diaz wrote:
I get that part.  What I didn't get was why they chose that location.  Personally, I found it distracting from the messages the candidates were offering. 

Unfortunately, I think it speaks to CNN's quest for ratings, rather than reporting the issues.  An more neutral auditorium might have bored viewers and lost some ad revenue.  Sigh.

I'm sure CNN loves stamping their twirling logo and their other flashy graphics all over the Reagan Library background. Ad nauseam.

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Funny, since it was also the plane Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton used (as well as Nixon, Ford, and both Bushes).[/quote



SAM 27000's last flight as Air Force One was on 29 August 2001 when it flew President George W. Bush from San Antonio to Waco, Texas. Following the flight it was formally decommissioned, then flown to San Bernardino International Airport (former Norton AFB) in California. It was later dismantled and taken to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, where it was reassembled and is on permanent display.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_VC-25

The VC-25 aircraft are flown by the Presidential Airlift Group and assigned to Air Mobility Command's 89th Airlift Wing at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland. Air Force One often operates in conjunction with Marine One helicopters that transport the President to and from airports in situations when this option is prefered over a vehicle motorcade. The VC-25 has served as the main aerial transport platform for Presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama.

The plane is now at the Reagan library...thus my point of it possibly being used by the RNC as a statement.

Click Hamilton wrote:
I'm sure CNN loves stamping their twirling logo and their other flashy graphics all over the Reagan Library background. Ad nauseam.

For three hours one evening, CNN has the opportunity to get better ratings than FOX, and you complain about their use of flashy graphics and their twirling logo.  Geez, let them have their fleeting moment.

ernst tischler wrote:
For three hours one evening, CNN has the opportunity to get better ratings than FOX, and you complain about their use of flashy graphics and their twirling logo.  Geez, let them have their fleeting moment.

I have lost my tolerance for continually getting blasted in the face by so much obnoxious advertising, twirling graphics, zooming in and out, over-modulated audio, etc., etc., etc.

I cancelled my cable service a few years ago and I seek what substance I want by ad-blocking and filtering my sources on Internet. Things like Youtube, AppleTV and simply going to the websites I prefer helps to avoid lots of the other crap constantly being hurled at us.

I could not find an uninterrupted presentation or uninterpreted version of the debates last night, so I watched it today on youtube. That's good enough. Now after listening to it myself without spin, I'm ready to listen to a few interpretations and analysis.

For the most part, too many of those candidates were just beating their gums at each other like the egocentric camera whores they are.

Click Hamilton wrote:

I have lost my tolerance for continually getting blasted in the face by so much obnoxious advertising, twirling graphics, zooming in and out, over-modulated audio, etc., etc., etc.

I cancelled my cable service a few years ago and I seek what substance I want by ad-blocking and filtering my sources on Internet. Things like Youtube, AppleTV and simply going to the websites I prefer helps to avoid lots of the other crap constantly being hurled at us.

I could not find an uninterrupted presentation or uninterpreted version of the debates last night, so I watched it today on youtube. That's good enough. Now after listening to it myself without spin, I'm ready to listen to a few interpretations and analysis.

For the most part, too many of those candidates were just beating their gums at each other like the egocentric camera whores they are.

This is one of the reasons I like my DVR. I can simple fast forward to the real stuff and not have to listen to Joy Bayhar bitch about a nurse.

ernst tischler wrote:
For three hours one evening, CNN has the opportunity to get better ratings than FOX, and you complain about their use of flashy graphics and their twirling logo.  Geez, let them have their fleeting moment.

Click Hamilton wrote:
I have lost my tolerance for continually getting blasted in the face by so much obnoxious advertising, twirling graphics, zooming in and out, over-modulated audio, etc., etc., etc.

CNN, with all their flashy graphics and twirling logos, was making sure the viewers understand that they were watching the debate on CNN.  The CNN folks, with all the hype, were screaming "THIS REPUBLICAN DEBATE AIN'T ON FOX".  LOL

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Trump does so well because so many of us feel like the "politicians" arent doing anything positive for america and are so blatantly out for themselves...that the only way to show our displeasure is to cut off our nose to spite our face and rally around someone who is totally unfit for office    its working...you can tell the politicians are just frazzled at trumps success.
where they once held up their nose at him...some of them are even mimicking his style now.

I'm not worried. generally no matter who goes in to office from the most meek to the most loud, generally once in office conforms themselves to a higher template due to necessity

I noticed last night that when Trump was asked to give details on something, he wouldn't (or couldn't do it).  He would simply repeat his talking points that he was going to do it.  It is working for him right now, six months from the first primary and over a year from the general election...but I'm not sure how long he can keep up the general promises without talking some substance.

ernst tischler wrote:
I'd like to see actual debates, like the kind I recall attending at local political rallies when I was a kid.  All the candidates for a particular county office would stand on the stage, were each given a set time to introduce themselves.  The people attending the rally had filled out a topic card when they arrived, the debate began with the moderator giving the candidates a topic to discuss.  The topic found on the most cards was first.  The candidates would debate the topic, with the moderator only keeping time, for the set amount of time.  Then they were given the next topic.  ...and so on.

Sounds wonderful.

Now it's like WWE and all the broadcasters want exclusive control so they can sell something.

It's not easy for everyone to watch these things. It take effort.