Koryn wrote:

Dang, you sure know how to hold a grudge.

she put Americans in major danger during a war and sided with/helped the enemy. Call that a "grudge" if you'd like...but I see no reason to spend money on people who commit treasonous acts...maybe that's just me.

Shot By Adam wrote:

Some grudges are worth holding and what Hanoi Jane did is not worthy of forgiving IMO. It's like most of the hypocrites in Hollywood...they all hate America but they sure do like our money!

agree..Roman Polanski fits into that same mold. Hollywood loves him even though he's a pedophile.

Bob Helm Photography wrote:
I'm more concerned about people who actually value a celebrity's opinion when they no nothing about the subject, like when Congress calls an actor to testify because they played a role, reading lines someone else wrote about a subject they knew nothing about.
If they want to lose fans that is their choice.

yeah I'd agree...but stupid people voting is a whole other topic!

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:

agree..Roman Polanski fits into that same mold. Hollywood loves him even though he's a pedophile.

CONVICTED pedophile, at that.

Koryn wrote:
My parents are on the totally opposite end of the spectrum from me politically. I still bought them a Christmas present.

I'm personally grateful to live in a world filled with many different people, who have many different types of thoughts, opinions and political viewpoints.

There are obviously some people who suck so hard at life, I wouldn't buy their books or pay to see their movies, should they have created books or movies. They include individuals such as Pol Pot, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacey, Idi Amin. I probably wouldn't pay to read a book written by Osama Bin Laden either.

If you torture and kill people, I wouldn't make a habit of buying your books or movies. If you think differently from me, and I like your creative work, I might.

Interesting, we agree 100%... You limit whom you will reward financially also. EXACTLY the same idea. You just have a different list.

In this modern world, we have trillions of choices of media of all kinds... Much more than I could ever consume or afford financially... So since there is a limit (time and money)... It makes it easy to eliminate those who publicly voice opinions that I feel hurt our society. I would feel uncomfortable enabling them.

What Fun Productions wrote:
Interesting, we agree 100%... You limit whom you will reward financially also. EXACTLY the same idea. You just have a different list.

In this modern world, we have trillions of choices of media of all kinds... Much more than I could ever consume or afford financially... So since there is a limit (time and money)... It makes it easy to eliminate those who publicly voice opinions that I feel hurt our society. I would feel uncomfortable enabling them.

There is a specific one dollar note that I spent, which I will never forget, because I am absolutely appalled by what I found out later.

The end 90's, when I was still working on Wall Street... I drove to my office with my wife through Brooklyn, taking the Brooklyn bridge. Everyday morning, you saw clean cut, well dressed young black men, offering pamphlets and little cakes for a dollar donation.

All I knew at this time, they belonged to a civil rights organization, called Nation of Islam, who tried to empower young black men, getting them off drugs and fighting for human rights. Don't laugh... that's all I knew and I was only a few years in this country, not knowing much about every group that walked the streets of NYC.

Anyway... I purchased a pamphlet for one dollar and perused the pamphlet while waiting at the traffic light... and on the back of the paper was a box with a short form of their mission and ideology...

Everything was agreeable, until I came to the point where it says that they are against race-mixing... interracial relationships... My blood-pressure must have risen a lot, while I felt violated reading this, and looking to the passenger seat, where my black wife was sitting..., because I just realized that  I contributed a dollar to a racist organization that preaches something that I just can't stand for!

I have made many, many mistakes in my life, some involved a few Million Dollars, some were less severe... but this one Dollar, given to this group... is one of my greatest regrets!

udor wrote:

There is a specific one dollar note that I spent, which I will never forget, because I am absolutely appalled by what I found out later.

The end 90's, when I was still working on Wall Street... I drove to my office with my wife through Brooklyn, taking the Brooklyn bridge. Everyday morning, you saw clean cut, well dressed young black men, offering pamphlets and little cakes for a dollar donation.

All I knew at this time, they belonged to a civil rights organization, called Nation of Islam, who tried to empower young black men, getting them off drugs and fighting for human rights. Don't laugh... that's all I knew and I was only a few years in this country, not knowing much about every group that walked the streets of NYC.

Anyway... I purchased a pamphlet for one dollar and perused the pamphlet while waiting at the traffic light... and on the back of the paper was a box with a short form of their mission and ideology...

Everything was agreeable, until I came to the point where it says that they are against race-mixing... interracial relationships... My blood-pressure must have risen a lot, while I felt violated reading this, and looking to the passenger seat, where my black wife was sitting..., because I just realized that  I contributed a dollar to a racist organization that preaches something that I just can't stand for!

I have made many, many mistakes in my life, some involved a few Million Dollars, some were less severe... but this one Dollar, given to this group... is one of my greatest regrets!

There is a special place in my heart for the hatred of Calypso Louie and his racist ilk.

What Fun Productions wrote:
If you see a movie or buy a book of someone you disagree with you are rewarding them financially.

I have no problem with that if their work is something that interests me. I am not paying to enable someone's personal views or behaviors... I am paying to have access to their work.

Even if they consider their work and their personal views and behaviors to be intrinsically linked, that's in their minds, not in mine.

Some of the authors and musicians and filmmakers whose work I enjoy would, in other cultures or in different times, be considered criminals and perverts and traitors and blah blah blah and therefore subject to imprisonment or even capital punishment. I don't give a rat's ass about anyone else's morality, including that of the author. I certainly don't give a rat's ass whether the work meets anyone else's entirely-subjective measure of "quality" or "value". All I care about is whether it moves me.

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
Is it just me, or do you wish celebrities would just keep their political opinions to themselves?
It's one thing if Udor publicly bashes Bush or I publicly bash Obama here...but when a celebrity does it, they stand to lose half their audience.
Jane Fonda is an example...the most recent other negative example is Quentin Tarrantino and his "just call the murderers the murderers" rant at the BLM rally.
I'm a huge Tarrantino fan, but this just called an end to paying to see his movies for me.

Yea, kinda.

Successful people usually are pushy and like to spout off their opinions. I have strong opinions on some topics. I spout them off at my blog, although not much on politics. Dem or Rep they are both cut from the same cloth. But in the end...you gotta realize that...

nsfw

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/201 … s-got-one/

DEP E510 wrote:
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amazing how the puppets in the news media don't qualify as "celebrities" mouthing opinions...

I was pretty bummed out when I found out that Uncle Walter didnt necessarily tell us the whole, unvarnished truth every night.
But, I was about 15 and I was finding out that a lot of what I had always been told wasnt necessarily the truth.

But since then, like most adults who at least try to figure things out for themselves, I have taken the newsreaders to be exactly what they are- attractive talking heads who are good at reading teleprompters on command.

I would hope the fall from grace for people like Dan Rather and Brian Williams helped people see who they were really listening to on the news.

I personally think some of the most egregious abuses of the "celebrity" pulpit are committed by the numerous talk radio hosts. They of course dont worry about truth, and they let their audience say the things that they know would get them sued out of existence. They revel in their bias, they do everything they can to dissuade actual, rational dialog.

DEP E510 wrote:
I'll take this celebrity's opinion:



amazing how the puppets in the news media don't qualify as "celebrities" mouthing opinions...

Russell Brand is one of the idiot celebutards who I actually look forward to ignoring. For the record, he is a multi-millionaire who is VERY much in favor of:

- Re-distribution of wealth.

- Heavy taxation.

- Any form of corporate profits of any kind. In his own words, "The very concept of profit should be greatly reduced" and "Profit is a dirty word".

- Elimination of all debt of any kind.

- Pro communist and is in favor of a "socialist egalitarian" system of government.

- Proclaims he is a huge fan of Fidel Castro and the mass-murderer Che Guevara, "because they were sexy, cool, and tough".

But my favorite piece of Russell Brand idiocy was when he went was kicked out of a Hugo Boss event for ranting publicly about how Hugo Boss had ties to Nazi Germany and when he left, he drove off in his Mercedes Benz.

Click Hamilton wrote:
Most celebrities are bubble-heads living in a Hollywood bubble-world awash in money, drugs, over-inflated egos, parties and celebrity events where they are pranced around by their agents like show dogs with wardrobe malfunctions.

Fascinating generalization. That would be akin to saying that most photographers are self-important guys with cameras, seeking to perpetuate misogynistic standards of what qualities are appealing in women, living in a bubble that makes them feel that they are entitled to share their opinions, but will condemn others for doing so. Boring!

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
... do you wish celebrities would just keep .. to themselves?.

yup

What Fun Productions wrote:
Box Office Blowback: ‘Hateful Eight,’ ‘Joy’ Underperform

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/ … erperform/

wow, that's a very unbiased article. what i'd like to see are the initial projected numbers. pre-release, vs actual haul. these numbers are more of an "industry standard", and indicative of how well a film did. plus, you'd have to take those numbers and apply the appropriate ratio to the total number of screens.

i didn't see any of those numbers in as much as i could take out of that article; which wasn't much.

you have another thread it ot, regarding the new stars wars flick. but what the op won't disclose is the "gross" numbers, versus actual fannies in seats, adjusted for inflation.

numbers can be fun, when you play with them.