Forums > Model Colloquy > Artistic Nudity Vs. Pornography.

Model

CrystalWat

Posts: 50

Macon, Georgia, US

Grayscale Photo wrote:
This has been settled long ago.

If she's looking at you, it's porn.  If she's looking away, it's art.

I don't necessarily agree with this. I don't think anyone really considers "The Last Setting" by Bert Stern to have anything pornographic in it, but Marilyn Monroe is looking directly at him/the camera in a lot of the nude shots. Every rule has it's exception, I suppose.

Mar 31 16 05:36 pm Link

Photographer

PhotoKromze

Posts: 315

Lisbon, Lisboa e Vale do Tejo, Portugal

Depends totally on how you look at it. Many "artistic" images gets your testosterone pumping, and many "porn" images are rather thought provoking big_smile

Apr 03 16 05:18 am Link

Photographer

IMAGINERIES

Posts: 2048

New York, New York, US

Eyesso wrote:
The objective of ART is to elevate the mind.  The objective of PORN is to elevate the penis.

Wouldn't it be impossible to combine both?......

Apr 06 16 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

Teila K Day Photography

Posts: 2039

Panama City Beach, Florida, US

Michael DBA Expressions wrote:
Sliding gray scale, with no two people agreeing on where to draw lines. A giant invitation to dispute trivia. Total waste of time to fight over the issue. Someone doesn't like what they see for whatever reason(s), the fix is "don't look."

Now here's someone using their head for more than a hat rack.  100% correct.

Apr 06 16 05:08 pm Link

Photographer

Teila K Day Photography

Posts: 2039

Panama City Beach, Florida, US

IMAGINERIES wrote:
Wouldn't it be impossible to combine both?......

No.  It's harder to separate them since depending on how puritanical someone is, art that contains an element of nudity can be considered as porn.  Since some people can become aroused at the sight of a balloon, clown or ball of hair on a dusty floor... it isn't at all in-conceivable that people can become aroused while staring at the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel.

Apr 06 16 05:18 pm Link

Photographer

IMAGINERIES

Posts: 2048

New York, New York, US

Teila K Day Photography wrote:

No.  It's harder to separate them since depending on how puritanical someone is, art that contains an element of nudity can be considered as porn.  Since some people can become aroused at the sight of a balloon, clown or ball of hair on a dusty floor... it isn't at all in-conceivable that people can become aroused while staring at the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel.

So, I guess pornography is in the eyes of the beholder. Regarding nudity.....

Apr 07 16 04:34 pm Link

Model

TheArchon

Posts: 183

Pemberton, New Jersey, US

For the love of all that is held as holy...This subject is STILL not dead yet? This was being debated six years ago, when I last dared to enter the forums!! LOL

Apr 07 16 07:54 pm Link

Photographer

Naughty Ties

Posts: 3445

Riverview, Florida, US

TheArchon wrote:
For the love of all that is held as holy...This subject is STILL not dead yet? This was being debated six years ago, when I last dared to enter the forums!! LOL

Well in the last six years thousands of people have come and gone from the site and most may have never known about old subjects like this.....or the ever present escort thread that pops up so it's new to those folks. And yeah...some subjects just aren't ever going to die.  lol

Apr 07 16 08:13 pm Link

Photographer

Risen Phoenix Photo

Posts: 3779

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Emma Charlotte wrote:
I know it sounds like opening a can of worms, but as one who has done both artistic nudity and non- nude glamour, what is YOUR take on dignified nudity Vs. sexual nudity for the sake of sexual nudity?

-Emma.

Not sure what is dignified nudity vs sexual nudity.  Much has been written on the subject and in the right context I feel the whole spectrum of nudity whether indicitive of Greek and Roman statue or highly sexual have their place. 

As a fine art photographer who shoots primarily nudes of men and women I am not necessarily drawn to the overly sexualized images sometime defined as pornography for my own work.  And yet I know there are amazing pornographic photographers who have created photographic masterpieces like Mapplethorpe, Hegre, Ralph Gibson, Susan Egan just to name a few.

For my work I tend to be drawn to Weston, Steiglitz, Man Ray, R Michael Walker, Bob Carlos Clarke, Alfred Chenny Johnston , Garduno, to name a few on the "art" side of the ledger.


I think ultimately as a model it would depend on what you are comfortable with and what art you are willing to be a part of.  Genre aside there will always be shooters like Walmart, sort of crappy and derrivitive and there will be others more akin to Nordstroms, Barney's, or Neiman Marcus, regardless of what is depicted or of the motivation.  I have seen some very artistic porn and some very bad tasteless examples of "dignified" nudes,

Apr 10 16 01:27 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Two Pears Studio

Posts: 3632

Wilmington, Delaware, US

why does it matter... the end user will determine what they see...

my feeling is you go with what you are comfortable with... and what you will be proud of years later... as what ever goes up on the internet will stay there forever.

other than abuse of children, animals and the non consenting... there really is no line.

Apr 21 16 07:15 am Link

Model

Lisa Everhart

Posts: 924

Sebring, Florida, US

GIRLS AND PICTURES

“I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”   
Robert A. Heinlein

Ladies, It's o.k. to be a nude model. It's o.k. to be a model with clothes on. It's o.k. to not be a model but just a girl who just wants pictures of themselves nude....or not nude. It's o.k. for any or all or none of these pictures to be sexy or sexual or pornographic. It is o.k. if you don't like the pictures and have none of yourself.

It is o.k. for you to do this regardless of your age (as long as you are 18 or older in the US for the nakies) or race or shape or weight or the amount and location of the hair on your body or anything else you can think of. These pictures can be artistic or not, of good quality or poor quality or of no quality at all.

You may take them yourself or have anyone else you want to take them of you. In short it is o.k. for you to do anything you please that doesn't hurt someone else in the process and anyone who tells you different is just plain wrong. Remember, in life, it's not what you do that matters as much as why you do it and only your motives, purposes and inspirations will determine the impact of your pictures on your heart and soul and life. No one has the right to judge you for this and if they do, so what.

Other people are perfectly free to like your pictures, or not like like your pictures, look or not look, make good comments or bad comments, think you are a whore or not a whore, but never allow someone to to try and take away your freedom.

Each of us has to suffer or triumph the consequences of our decisions and our pictures. This is called personal responsibility. I do not see how your pictures "hurt" me anymore than I can see how my pictures might "hurt" you. You are welcome to refer anyone who tells you otherwise to me and I will promptly sort them out for you.
Facebook is free to censor the pictures or take away your account because you broke their rules, regardless of how stoopids this may be. It is their business and not ours and they can run it however they want to.
How did the land of the free become the home of the ignorant in the first place? Hell if I know.
Fellas, this applies to you too...and rabbits, let's not forget the rabbits.

Oh, and I hope you realize that this Note is about much more than just pictures.

Apr 27 16 05:55 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Salo

Posts: 11723

Olney, Maryland, US

Lisa Everhart wrote:
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td;dr

You have a lovely portfolio!

Apr 27 16 06:23 pm Link

Photographer

4 R D

Posts: 1141

Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico

Silly conversation that belongs to the kiddie table at the camera club.

Thousands of hobbyists keep shooting the same boring, generic, derivative figure study with Rembrandt light with such self-complacency and never try anything new. Nothing wrong with that by itself but the sad thing is that they have the audacity of calling it "artistic nude". Nothing artistic in a mediocre genre shot but it's an effective buzzword to convince that naive, beautiful civilian to disrobe her gorgeous breasts for our lens. "We are creating art here, darling".

The other day I saw a feature for a lingerie brand. The production was beautiful, the model was the loveliest I have seen in years and the photography was spectacular. If we ran a poll among members asking to define its genre some would label it as "boudoir", others would say "erotic", another member would go with "portraiture" or "editorial", the most conservative would go with "pornographic" and so on. Many shitty photographers in my area would say "lingerie" because apparently, "lingerie" is a genre too.

Fuck labels. When you see the work produced by the best in the world they don't matter. Great photography is beyond these stupid definitions.

Apr 27 16 07:11 pm Link