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Photographers: What do you want in a model's bio?
Hello folks! I'm doing some research for my new ebook on the topic of bios, and while I know a lot of the basics I'm really interested to hear from photographers in their own words. Here are my questions: 1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model? 2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model? 3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you? 4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them? 5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you? I will of course listen to everyone, but I'm particularly interested in hearing from photographers who regularly book freelance models. Bios for agency models are a whole different ballgame. Please note that I am seeking information on bios only - for the purposes of this thread I am not interested in what you look for in portfolios. Thank you. And, while I am inviting you to talk about what you don't like seeing models do in their bio text, please keep this civil and respectful. Additionally, let's not debate what other people look for or don't like - I'm looking for opinions, and all are valid in this thread so long as they're stated respectfully. Thanks! Sep 08 16 05:15 pm Link Id say you nailed it. Your port n site said it all for me. Im very impressed with a good body of work rather than the puffing. . Sep 08 16 05:37 pm Link I'm gonna give just once general answer which should cover most of the questions. If I see bitching and complaining in a bio, especially if it's the first few sentences and extremely especially if the bio is nothing but bitching and complaining... I pass. Not only do I pass, I run the opposite direction. It's uncanny how many so called 'models' do that on MM. Similarly, when a models bio is full of "I", such as "I want this" and "I want that", it comes across that they're stuck on themselves and not give a crap what the photographer or anyone else wants or needs. As far as the photos and credits go? Don't try an impress me (or anyone) by putting up a fake tearsheet or listing a fake 'magazine' that some con artist got the victim to pose for. It doesn't impress anyone and makes the model appear to be even more vulnerable. ----------------------------------------- Obviously, when a model's bio is the polar opposite of what I just mentioned, I'm more likely to contact them. Just give me the basics, short and sweet. Don't talk about boyfriends, don't talk about hobbies (unless it's directly involved with modeling or photography). As Sgt Joe Friday would say... "just the facts mam, just the facts" I usually read the bio before viewing photos, not always, but most of the time, and I consider the bio to be fairly important, but it should be noted that when you're hiring models from an agency there's almost never a bio to go along with the comp cards that they're showing. Sep 08 16 05:39 pm Link Eleanor Rose wrote: 1. There aren’t really absolutes for consideration. Sep 08 16 06:26 pm Link Brevity and Positivity Sep 08 16 06:28 pm Link brevity Sep 08 16 06:44 pm Link Brevity, positivism, and any hard limits that the model might have. I want to know, right up front, if the model won't do shoot type X, so that if I need a model that can do shoot type X, I can sort quickly. Warning about things that might be a problem with images (i.e. very large tattoos, previous injuries that prevent posing in heels, etc) would be nice, too. Sep 08 16 09:11 pm Link Just honesty. -Don Sep 08 16 09:17 pm Link Eleanor Rose wrote: 1. Some level of compliance with MM rules, norms and mores. Models with gibberish. OUT. So relatively low threshold on MUST ABSOLUTELY. The model must have an active account. If it's closed--I will NOT contact the model. Having said that, some models are capricious and turn their ports on and off. Sep 08 16 09:45 pm Link Eleanor Rose wrote: Eleanor, I'm gonna give you just a few points, but they are what's important to me. I'm pretty new here so maybe my criteria isn't as hardened as most. Sep 08 16 10:42 pm Link Sense of humour. Indication that model is a good communicator, well laid out bio, logical order, paragraphs and sentances that make sense. Drama free. Fairly brief, can sort out details if shoot likely. Generally positive, but stand up for yourself too. Goals/ambitions. Just a few. Sep 09 16 01:37 am Link Eleanor Rose wrote: 1. No absolutes. Sep 09 16 02:22 am Link Maturity. Too bad I can't publicly show you a few examples. Sep 09 16 03:39 am Link These are great questions and responses. Any model who reads this thread and doesn't review their narrative will be missing out. I will certainly be revising mine next week. Sep 09 16 04:20 am Link Eleanor Rose wrote: 1 Current stats filled out, I often have specific wardrobe Sep 09 16 05:48 am Link 1. So first of all I look at the quality of the work. Does the model, especially those who want to be paid, have a skill set. If they shoot nudes do they posses the figure I want to shoot. Can they pose artistically. As a fine art photographer not too interested in seeing a lot of glamour poses for example. 1a. I consider the quality of the photographers they have in their portfolio. 2. If the work in the majority of the portfolio have images that are over photoshopped I tend to sense that the model has significant skin issues or stretch marks, I would expect good skin in a model I have to pay for. 3. If I sense from their bio that they are bored, jaded or a bit bitchy then they are definitely no longer considered. It is amazing how many profiles from models are jaded and full of anger. ( Trust me no one is that special) 4. If they demand escorts, then they are out. 5. If they make a point of saying they are willing to work with experienced and beginner photographers then I will not consider them. It tells me they are in it for the money and not in it for the art. That's not anybody I choose to work with. 6. Does the model have a classical dance , gymnastics or yoga background. So I want to see that marked on their profile and some evidence in their work. 7. I dont like it when a model lists a number of cities or wont list a home city. There is no way to plan for a trip to work with them. 8. Also if I see Los Angelas or San Fransico listed on their profile from a midwest or east cost model I typically will not hire them as there is a pretty good chance they are in the porn business. Not interested in shooting porn actresses. Also , if the model is in the porn business, which a number of models on MM are, and they state that on their bio then I would not hire them. 9. There are so few art model on MM any longer that it is refreshing when you see one in peoples work. 10. If a model states they are alternative models I will not consider them. Such models are over tattooed, heavily pierced with crazy hair and in many cases over weight. Sep 09 16 07:58 am Link I'm responding to this before reading anyone elses responses so I won't be influenced, but I might repeat others answers. Eleanor Rose wrote: That they are reliable and seem to genuinely want to be doing what they do. Eleanor Rose wrote: Since I shoot nudes, assuming they do, what they are comfortable with. Also, a current description if anything is significantly different from most of the portfolio. Eleanor Rose wrote: Escort. Any and all iterations of the word. Modeling is a job. You don't take an escort to work in an office or to McDonalds or even to your ob/gyn. Also, a little put off by third person bios. MM accounts are not supposed to be handled/managed by anyone other than the member (except for 16/17 year old models). So that means either the account is being run by a third person (manager/agent/significant other) which is against MM rules, or the model is very full of her/his self. Eleanor Rose wrote: Usually a quick glance at the bio, then right to the portfolio. If I'm interested, I go back to the Bio to see if there is anything I missed or need to know. Eleanor Rose wrote: It's important. For one, it shows they know how to follow instructions. When you sign up for MM, it tells you what they're looking for in the bio (in general). If you can do that, that's one hurdle. I appreciate English (if it's in English), not street reductions. It avoids misunderstanding. Sep 09 16 08:52 am Link Congratulations and best luck on your ebook!! Sep 09 16 09:00 am Link Thank you so much for the replies, everyone! Most of this was information I had already considered, but some of you threw out some things I hadn't, and it's fascinating to see what you prioritize. I look forward to reading more responses. Sep 09 16 09:13 am Link I don't care about the bio. Less is more. If there is a mention of an escort. . . I don't have any expectations of good images in her MM portfolio. Like links to website, links to video are good, etc. I am going to look at the photos and it can be a lot of work. I have to try and figure out if the model actually looks good and can take a good photo--so the portfolio really is the thing. "Ask me for my rates" is fine. I don't care about the personality, the education, etc. Does the model have power? Is there something there. If the model requires payment, fine. The portfolio has to sell me. For me it is best to keep the bio to something like this: Do art nudes. Travel. Video: My website: If the age is filled out and height and weight, I am happy to look. Sep 09 16 09:16 am Link Eleanor Rose wrote: AgX wrote: I'd have to agree with everything here, and would add: Sep 09 16 09:42 am Link Not a whole lot. Portfolio is at least as important as bio. Stats properly filled out. If seeking pay, post rates. When models say "paid shoots only", It doesn't help much. Pay could mean $30/hour or $150/hour. I think this is even more important when posting an availability notice. I'd personally rather see a rate with a note about willingness to bargain, etc. than a bio that gives absolutely no insight as to rates what so ever. If a model has any demands they should be posted - insisting on an escort, wanting RAW mages, wanting the photographer to sign her release, talking to her "manager" instead the model herself, etc. (This means I can just skip her right from the get go rater than wasting both our time to later learn we are incompatible) Details of any piercings or tats not obvious in the images. Sep 09 16 10:33 am Link Eleanor Rose wrote: 1. I don't think anything is necessary. A good bio will make me contact one model over another, but so would a good portfolio. Sep 09 16 02:38 pm Link To me what I look for is reliability! When I place a casting call I have to worry about if the Model is going to pull out of the shoot, worst the day before or on the day. So I end up booking 3 model just in to get one, sometimes all of them come which can be a problem depending what the shoot about. What's also bad about it the model that didn't show just replaced another model chance for the shoot. When I start seeing red flags from models I start looking for another model to cover my ass, because I'm responsible for the other people involved in the shoot. MUA, Hairstylist etc. This is just for TF shoots if it's a client shoot I would put out a casting call to meet with them before hand and most likely it would be through an Agency for accountability. I also look for someone that has energy, easy going, and really enjoys having their photo taking as much as I love taking them. I look at their images to see how they use there body and face expression in shoots and look up whatever links they have to get a better feel about them. One more thing. If I find demands in their profile statements, negativeness. I move on. Don't want any headaches. Hope that helps. Sep 09 16 03:46 pm Link 2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model? Acting and dance experience or training. Seeing it lets me know they won't need much encouragement to emote and know how move. If they've done nude modeling is a positive. Even if I'm not asking for nudes I sometimes prefer a model who has. I find that if a model is comfortable posing nude they're more comfortable posing while wearing anything. 1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model? 3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you? (Placing those 2 questions together) Complaining about Photographers. It is horrible that some are crooks and creeps. I read profiles from Models that write in a tone that pretty much accuses all photographers of being the same. Inconsistency between text and pictures. Like writing no nudes but having nude pictures. Write that their hair is short and blonde but pictures it is long and black. Text that says they are 25 years old but having adult pictures of them going back 10 years. Not listing things like their measurements. I understand people are sensitive about their size but models do model things like clothes. This is information that I have to know. Hidden features in pictures. If there's no pictures of a model smiling does that mean they have bad teeth? If there's never a clear view of their face does that mean they are unattractive? Same thing applies if they're always in heavy makeup in every picture. I don't want to guess what they actually look like and guess wrong. Out of date pictures. Everyone ages. Nobody looks like they did 5 years ago. 4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them? I read this first 2 sentences then look at the pictures and return to read the rest of bio. 5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you? Equally important as their pictures. Text gives me clue of what they might be like to work with. It also an indicator of their strengths and limitations. It also a clue of what a model is willing to model. Sep 09 16 04:05 pm Link I want: # correct up-to-date stats (including true age) # a summary of previous experience and relevant customers ("100+ amateur photographers" is relevant, too) # information about special skills ("under water", horseback riding, ballet dancing, ...) # limits ("I don't shoot tasteless images" is not a limit but mere bullshit...) I do NOT want: # rants # political or religious statements ("I do not shoot with leather outfits" is a limit and should be stated there. "I am a PETA activist" repells me because your private obsessions may interfere with your job. If you dont want to shoot with leather outfits that is usefull information. I neither need to know why nor I want to know why...) Eleanor Rose wrote: Portfolio. If your look does not fit nothing else will you make to fit. 5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you? It's fine when I get all relevant information firsthand without having to ask. Sep 10 16 03:49 am Link Eleanor Rose wrote: 1. Some indication that they are serious about modeling, ie up to date info, recent activity, shots from a shoot, goals, wish list. The new profile with 10 selfies and "I've always wanted to be a model since I was a little girl now that I'm 18 I can be one I'll do anything to make it" doesn't count as serious. Sep 10 16 02:12 pm Link Bio? All I want to see are images. Sep 11 16 07:52 am Link I agree with Sgt. Friday: "Just the facts, maam." And of course accurate clear photos. Sep 11 16 12:59 pm Link Eleanor Rose wrote: Hi Eleanor, Sep 12 16 06:45 am Link I like to see all the details. Some models leave things out. Sep 12 16 09:48 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: Hi Jerry. Can you give me some clarification as to what "all the details" means for you? Thanks! Sep 12 16 10:08 am Link I'm looking for personality and avoiding some of the usual red flags. Also looking for a bit of content match as I'm always shooting nudes and don't like pushing folks on things they're not interested in. None of it really becomes crucial until the interactive messages start, then clear communication, agreements and good matches become essential. Sep 12 16 11:15 am Link Eleanor Rose wrote: Look at the left side of your profile page where it says "Details". Sep 12 16 11:16 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: Oh, ok, I get it now. Sorry for the confusion - my question was about the actual bio text, nothing else, so I thought you meant details in the bio text. Sep 13 16 11:20 am Link Simple, that she's been dyin' ta shoot with someone named "SOS" in Florida . . . That gets me every time . . . hint, hint Miss E . . . you've got an open invite!!!! SOS Sep 13 16 11:44 am Link Eleanor Rose wrote: I find it annoying when some of this information is missing. Sep 13 16 03:21 pm Link I look at the avatar image at first, then the rest of the portfolio. I look at the quality of the portfolio, then I read the entire bio...including stats, and categories. I like for the model to fill out as much info on stats as possible, such as hip size, dress size and waist. I look for key words in the bio, such as how serious the model is, experience, contact info, and so forth. If the bio is too long, or if the model is complaining, or sounds too negative, I stop right there. I also do not look at profiles and bios that are inactive more than 30 days. I prefer to only consider those who are active on the site, and easy to reach. I also prefer models who have one city listed. I must be impressed with the model's overall look and portfolio quality. I will not contact a model is looking for paid assignments, but only has a few snapshots up, regardless of how good she looks. If a models says she is in school, and working 2 jobs, I tend to move on to the next profile because in my experience, a model who is that busy will be hard to schedule a shoot with. Sep 14 16 12:42 pm Link 1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model? It didn't used to be an "absolute" but I need to see an Internet presence outside of the Modelmayhem site. With fans and followers being a valuable commodity for marketing online, I look for models who have accounts on Instagram, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter. and other social networking sites. Besides the value of having followers and fans for marketing purposes, I also find it easier to verify the person. Back in the old days, we exchanged phone numbers & physical addresses which when you think about it, is more risky that exchanging emails and Modelmayhem profiles. I don't expect to see phone numbers, home addresses or even email addresses for that matter on the profile bio, but I do expect to be able to utilize other places confirm a model is legit. Posting links to other places is important. 2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model? Showing a sense of humor in their writing in the bio. I have fun doing what I do or else I wouldn't be doing it. A sense of humor is valuable in breaking the ice with strangers, and it can make the photo session go so much better. I love to laugh! I'm easy going and funny, so if a model is able to display a sense of humor in her bio and/or images, I'm more likely to contact. 3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you? Someone who is overly demanding, for example those who insist upon having an escort (I'm NOT against a model bringing someone.) Someone who has a "manager" that I must work through. A manager is a total deal breaker. If I wanted to deal with a proper manager, then I'd go through an agency. If a models bio is filled with grammar errors and misspelled words, I'll probably move on. 4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them? I do read the bio first because that is the first page proceeding the portfolio. Then I look at the images, mostly because I like to know how much experience the model has first. I always read the bio before contacting. I would hope models would do the same for my bio as I put a great deal of thought into writing mine. 5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you? If a model is just starting out, it is critical, as I may base my decision on what I read. If the model has a large portfolio, experience with loads of references, and a look I want to shoot, then the bio is secondary. Hope this is helpful to you! Sep 14 16 06:25 pm Link SayCheeZ! wrote: Exactly! I hate crazy demands.. I like full vitals and a bit of humor too! Sep 14 16 07:20 pm Link |