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Model

Eleanor Rose

Posts: 2612

PASO ROBLES, California, US

Hello folks!

I'm doing some research for my new ebook on the topic of bios, and while I know a lot of the basics I'm really interested to hear from photographers in their own words. Here are my questions:

1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

I will of course listen to everyone, but I'm particularly interested in hearing from photographers who regularly book freelance models. Bios for agency models are a whole different ballgame.

Please note that I am seeking information on bios only - for the purposes of this thread I am not interested in what you look for in portfolios. Thank you.

And, while I am inviting you to talk about what you don't like seeing models do in their bio text, please keep this civil and respectful. Additionally, let's not debate what other people look for or don't like - I'm looking for opinions, and all are valid in this thread so long as they're stated respectfully.

Thanks!

Sep 08 16 05:15 pm Link

Photographer

fsp

Posts: 3656

New York, New York, US

Id say you nailed it.
Your port n site said it all for me.

Im very impressed with a good body of work rather than the puffing.


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Sep 08 16 05:37 pm Link

Photographer

SayCheeZ!

Posts: 20614

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I'm gonna give just once general answer which should cover most of the questions.

If I see bitching and complaining in a bio, especially if it's the first few sentences and extremely especially if the bio is nothing but bitching and complaining... I pass.  Not only do I pass, I run the opposite direction.

It's uncanny how many so called 'models' do that on MM.

Similarly, when a models bio is full of "I", such as "I want this" and "I want that", it comes across that they're stuck on themselves and not give a crap what the photographer or anyone else wants or needs.

As far as the photos and credits go?  Don't try an impress me (or anyone) by putting up a fake tearsheet or listing a fake 'magazine' that some con artist got the victim to pose for.  It doesn't impress anyone and makes the model appear to be even more vulnerable.

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Obviously, when a model's bio is the polar opposite of what I just mentioned, I'm more likely to contact them.  Just give me the basics, short and sweet.  Don't talk about boyfriends, don't talk about hobbies (unless it's directly involved with modeling or photography).  As Sgt Joe Friday would say... "just the facts mam, just the facts"

I usually read the bio before viewing photos, not always, but most of the time, and I consider the bio to be fairly important, but it should be noted that when you're hiring models from an agency there's almost never a bio to go along with the comp cards that they're showing.

Sep 08 16 05:39 pm Link

Photographer

AgX

Posts: 2851

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

1. There aren’t really absolutes for consideration.

2. Some indication of intelligence, creativity, and curiosity is helpful. Evidence of artistic talents in addition to modeling (dance, athletics, painting, music, etc.).

3. “Paid work only.” in the text. “No TFP.” “I reserve the right…” Escorts. Managers. Demands for travel/tolls/parking reimbursement. Demands for all images on thumb drive/CD/Dropbox. Demands in general. Negativity. Providing one's own model release. Refusal to sign a model release until after the shoot. “No nudes, I respect my body.”
    - Nothing wrong with any of these; they are all totally valid for many people, just not for my needs.

4. Bio first, typically. I always read a bio before contact. The bio and portfolio together are simply an entry (or not) to further discussion.

5. The written profile is pretty important to me, but it depends on the person. An exceptional portfolio and a scant bio might still garner my attention. A newbie with things written that pique my interest but a sparse portfolio might similarly warrant at least an initial discussion.

Sep 08 16 06:26 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30128

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Brevity and Positivity

Sep 08 16 06:28 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Salo

Posts: 11719

Olney, Maryland, US

brevity

Sep 08 16 06:44 pm Link

Photographer

Jo Sou

Posts: 35

Santa Rosa, California, US

Brevity, positivism, and any hard limits that the model might have.

I want to know, right up front, if the model won't do shoot type X, so that if I need a model that can do shoot type X, I can sort quickly.

Warning about things that might be a problem with images (i.e. very large tattoos, previous injuries that prevent posing in heels, etc) would be nice, too.

Sep 08 16 09:11 pm Link

Photographer

Don Garrett

Posts: 4984

Escondido, California, US

Just honesty.
-Don

Sep 08 16 09:17 pm Link

Photographer

FFantastique

Posts: 2535

Orlando, Florida, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

1. Some level of compliance with MM rules, norms and mores. Models with gibberish. OUT. So relatively low threshold on MUST ABSOLUTELY.  The model must have an active account. If it's closed--I will NOT contact the model. Having said that, some models are capricious and turn their ports on and off.

2.  Demonstration that there is high positive correlation with brain and beauty--at least that there isn't a negative one. Sense of humor. Experience. Candor. Integrity. Self awareness. Sense of purpose. I like to work with people who are attempting to achieve some artistic or professional goal and not just blank slate/canvass. I'm shifting from my port development to THEIR port development. Later I plan to shift to doing third party--like an assignment from a teacher or agency,  You're asking about bio but there are all kinds of things about the profile itself, like meta data that's assessed. It's not a part of the bio per se but do the stated and actual ages match? or are they 5 years apart? Last log in? So it's not only one factor.

3.  LOL.  Glad you didn't ask me for examples!  Images that consist predominantly of selfies that cover their face. Sometimes no face--but there are exceptions. I look at the caliber of the images--is it the model's fault or the tog's?? May be she didn't get the images yet. May be never will. Hmmm. You're asking a VERY complex question that is extraordinary hard for me to accurately articulate without telepathy. ;-).  Let me try to put it simply, some togs spend 2 days on one image.  I'm collecting RAWs. When I have time I may pull them out and work on them later in life to take them to the nth degree.  DO I WANT TO SPEND TWO DAYS LOOKING AT THIS FACE? Y or N?

I think I'm straying from the assignment. But I skim the profile but scan the port. If the port isn't up to snuff, there is no way the port can rescue it. The IMAGES have to be decent or show promise, else the WORDS don't matter. NEVER shoot on bio alone.

I also suspend my standards of good writing to realize the images trump the writing. I know some togs who won't work with models with typos in bio. Whoa. That's hard core. I recognize this is not an essay class. Not every one is literate. Not everyone is a journalism major. So I intentionally tell myself to chill.

So the Pareto Principle probably applies here. 80-20 rule. 80 images, 20 bio. I'm thinking hard and not much comes to mind that would wave me off.

RED FLAGS: I FULLY recognize that some models have been mistreated through no fault of their own and their now hyper sensitive. That doesn't turn me off. I've actually heard of a diva who was unreasonable and chewed people out--wasn't able to book her. I've never been able to get a bona fide diva. I think a model who said I do meth would make me run--but I don't stumble across those yet ever! Even models who want to bring a thumb drive and want the RAWs NOW!  OK. Escorts--fine. I like to have supervision. LOL. I'm super accommodating. Too accommodating sometimes. No good deed goes unpunished! [Hope I'm providing the OP the responses she seeks for her ebook].

4.  M.O. mostly delineated above but the process is skim profile, scan port. If port passes, rescan profile but more carefully. Send quick e-mail. If no response, no great loss. Try to include evidence in initial e-mail that profile was read so that I don't come across as a bimbo.;-)  Don't always answer all questions requested in profile because they may never respond and I've done that too many times! It's de novo--no cut and paste so it's customized so I try to avoid over investing initial communication. I go to extremes and I started one conversation with merely:a smiley face. ;-)

5. Previously answered: probably 4:1 weighting with text on the lower side. We're going to post images, not text.

OP--if you wish to discuss more via PM or phone--happy to help fellow competent researcher.

Sep 08 16 09:45 pm Link

Photographer

John Silva Photography

Posts: 589

Fairfield, California, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
Hello folks!

I'm doing some research for my new ebook on the topic of bios, and while I know a lot of the basics I'm really interested to hear from photographers in their own words. Here are my questions:

1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

I will of course listen to everyone, but I'm particularly interested in hearing from photographers who regularly book freelance models. Bios for agency models are a whole different ballgame.

And, while I am inviting you to talk about what you don't like seeing models do in their bio text, please keep this civil and respectful. Additionally, let's not debate what other people look for or don't like - I'm looking for opinions, and all are valid in this thread so long as they're stated respectfully.    Thanks!

Eleanor, I'm gonna give you just a few points, but they are what's important to me. I'm pretty new here so maybe my criteria isn't as hardened as most.
First, I almost always look at the port first. If a Model doesn't have even close to a look or the potential I would want to photograph and see in my portfolio, then her bio isn't probably gonna contain anything that will make we want to work with her either.
If I get to her bio, I like to see a lot of SPUNK. Sometimes you can just feel their excitement that they love what they do. Some Bios are just a long boring monologue. That doesn't maker me eager to work with them. I have to have fun too!!
The biggest TURN-OFF for me, are the ones that say they will ONLY shoot TF for a guaranteed publication. That is SOOO gimme gimme gimme!!!
Thanks Eleanor, maybe our paths will cross one day!!! :-D
John

Sep 08 16 10:42 pm Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 936

Yamba, New South Wales, Australia

Sense of humour.

Indication that model is a good communicator, well laid out bio, logical order, paragraphs and sentances that make sense.

Drama free.

Fairly brief, can sort out details if shoot likely.

Generally positive, but stand up for yourself too.

Goals/ambitions. Just a few.

Sep 09 16 01:37 am Link

Photographer

portraiturebyBrent

Posts: 387

Round Rock, Texas, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

1. No absolutes.

2. Sense of humor.

3. a. Written in third person.
    b. Reference to Instagram or other site, then finding the account is private and cannot be viewed.
    c. Recent activity, but the bio is out of date, eg. "I'm 19 and in college...", but their profile age is 27.
    d. Poorly written.

4. Bio first, then port. If the port appeals to me, then go back to the bio.

5. Very, if:
        a. Shows sense of humor.
        b. Shows their motivation, including money, eg. full-time traveling model, college student earning extra
            cash (unless 3.c.), someone following their dream, but still has to pay rent. Money as a motivation
            counts against them if it's obvious that's all they care about.
        c. Shows a glimpse of humility.

Sep 09 16 02:22 am Link

Photographer

WisconsinArt

Posts: 612

Nashotah, Wisconsin, US

Maturity.

Too bad I can't publicly show you a few examples.

Sep 09 16 03:39 am Link

Model

Lisa Everhart

Posts: 924

Sebring, Florida, US

These are great questions and responses. Any model who reads this thread and doesn't review their narrative will be missing out. I will certainly be revising mine next week.

Sep 09 16 04:20 am Link

Photographer

Red Sky Photography

Posts: 3893

Germantown, Maryland, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

1  Current stats filled out, I often have specific wardrobe
.
2  Brief description of the types of shoots she is interested in and those she does not do/limits. Availability.

3  Contact my manager, requires all RAW photos at the end of shoot

4  Portfolio to see face and body type, then read bio to see if we might be a good fit.

5  About 40 % Bio and 60% Portfolio

Sep 09 16 05:48 am Link

Photographer

Risen Phoenix Photo

Posts: 3779

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

1.  So first of all I look at the quality of the work.  Does the model, especially those who want to be paid, have a skill set.  If they shoot nudes do they posses the figure I want to shoot.  Can they pose artistically.  As a fine art photographer not too interested in seeing a lot of glamour poses for example.

1a.  I consider the quality of the photographers they have in their portfolio.

2.  If the work in the majority of the portfolio have images that are over photoshopped I tend to sense that the model has significant skin issues or stretch marks, I would expect good skin in a model I have to pay for.

3.  If I sense from their bio that they are bored, jaded or a bit bitchy then they are definitely no longer considered.  It is amazing how many profiles from models are jaded and full of anger.  ( Trust me no one is that special)

4.  If they demand escorts, then they are out.

5.  If they make a point of saying they are willing to work with experienced and beginner photographers then I will not consider them.  It tells me they are in it for the money and not in it for the art.  That's not anybody I choose to work with.

6.  Does the model have a classical dance , gymnastics or yoga background. So I want to see that marked on their profile and some evidence in their work.

7.  I dont like it when a model lists a number of cities or wont list a home city.  There is no way to plan for a trip to work with them.

8.   Also if I see Los Angelas or San Fransico listed on their profile from a midwest or east cost model I typically will not hire them as there is a pretty good chance they are in the porn business. Not interested in shooting porn actresses.

Also , if the model is in the porn business, which a number of models on MM are, and they state that on their bio  then I would not hire them.

9.  There are so few art model on MM any longer that it is refreshing when you see one in peoples work.

10.  If a model states they are alternative models I will not consider them.  Such models are over tattooed, heavily pierced with crazy hair and in many cases over weight.

Sep 09 16 07:58 am Link

Photographer

Vito

Posts: 4581

Brooklyn, New York, US

I'm responding to this before reading anyone elses responses so I won't be influenced, but I might repeat others answers.


Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?

That they are reliable and seem to genuinely want to be doing what they do.

Eleanor Rose wrote:
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?

Since I shoot nudes, assuming they do, what they are comfortable with. Also, a current description if anything is significantly different from most of the portfolio.

Eleanor Rose wrote:
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?

Escort. Any and all iterations of the word. Modeling is a job. You don't take an escort to work in an office or to McDonalds or even to your ob/gyn. Also, a little put off by third person bios. MM accounts are not supposed to be handled/managed by anyone other than the member (except for 16/17 year old models). So that means either the account is being run by a third person (manager/agent/significant other) which is against MM rules, or the model is very full of her/his self.

Eleanor Rose wrote:
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?

Usually a quick glance at the bio, then right to the portfolio. If I'm interested, I go back to the Bio to see if there is anything I missed or need to know.

Eleanor Rose wrote:
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

It's important. For one, it shows they know how to follow instructions. When you sign up for MM, it tells you what they're looking for in the bio (in general). If you can do that, that's one hurdle. I appreciate English (if it's in English), not street reductions. It avoids misunderstanding.

Sep 09 16 08:52 am Link

Model

Jen B E

Posts: 213

Hesperia, California, US

Congratulations and best luck on your ebook!!

Sep 09 16 09:00 am Link

Model

Eleanor Rose

Posts: 2612

PASO ROBLES, California, US

Thank you so much for the replies, everyone! Most of this was information I had already considered, but some of you threw out some things I hadn't, and it's fascinating to see what you prioritize. I look forward to reading more responses. smile

Sep 09 16 09:13 am Link

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LA StarShooter

Posts: 2730

Los Angeles, California, US

I don't care about the bio. Less is more. If there is a mention of an escort.  . . I don't have any expectations of good images in her MM portfolio. Like links to website, links to video are good, etc.  I am going to look at the photos and it can be a lot of work. I have to try and figure out if the model actually looks good and can take a good photo--so the portfolio really is the thing.

"Ask me for my rates" is fine. I don't care about the personality, the education, etc. Does the model have power? Is there something there.

If the model requires payment, fine. The portfolio has to sell me. For me it is best to keep the bio to something like this: Do art nudes. Travel. Video:   My website: If the age is filled out and height and weight, I am happy to look.

Sep 09 16 09:16 am Link

Photographer

BTHPhoto

Posts: 6985

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

AgX wrote:
1. There aren’t really absolutes for consideration.

2. Some indication of intelligence, creativity, and curiosity is helpful. Evidence of artistic talents in addition to modeling (dance, athletics, painting, music, etc.).

3. “Paid work only.” in the text. “No TFP.” “I reserve the right…” Escorts. Managers. Demands for travel/tolls/parking reimbursement. Demands for all images on thumb drive/CD/Dropbox. Demands in general. Negativity. Providing one's own model release. Refusal to sign a model release until after the shoot. “No nudes, I respect my body.”
    - Nothing wrong with any of these; they are all totally valid for many people, just not for my needs.

4. Bio first, typically. I always read a bio before contact. The bio and portfolio together are simply an entry (or not) to further discussion.

5. The written profile is pretty important to me, but it depends on the person. An exceptional portfolio and a scant bio might still garner my attention. A newbie with things written that pique my interest but a sparse portfolio might similarly warrant at least an initial discussion.

I'd have to agree with everything here, and would add: 

2. An indication of passion or excitement about making images, and an indication of thorough proofreading ("I have an uncredible work ethic" is one I'll never forget)

3. text-speak ("c u l8tr," for example), derogatory comments toward the reader ( i.e., "don't contact me if you're a pervert who shoots nudes or won't allow escorts"), and ludicrous or self-contradictory statements (i.e., "I'm up for anything creative, new, or experimental, I'm very open minded, and I believe it shows through my work.  Be aware I don't do nudes, lingerie, or other porn.")

Sep 09 16 09:42 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13559

Washington, Utah, US

Not a whole lot.  Portfolio is at least as important as bio.

Stats properly filled out.

If seeking pay, post rates.  When models say "paid shoots only",  It doesn't help much.  Pay could mean $30/hour or $150/hour.  I think this is even more important when posting an availability notice.   I'd personally rather see a rate with a note about willingness to bargain, etc. than a bio that gives absolutely no insight as to rates what so ever. 

If a model has any demands they should be posted - insisting on an escort, wanting RAW mages, wanting the photographer to sign her release, talking to her "manager" instead the model herself, etc.  (This means I can just skip her right from the get go rater than wasting both our time to later learn we are incompatible)

Details of any piercings or tats not obvious in the images.

Sep 09 16 10:33 am Link

Photographer

Watika Lemon

Posts: 23

Burlington, Ontario, Canada

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

1. I don't think anything is necessary.  A good bio will make me contact one model over another, but so would a good portfolio.

2. What I like to see is any information that is pertinent to hiring a model.  Her rates, availability, limits, and any rules she may have. I'm much more likely to contact a model if I know exactly what I'm getting into, and in my experience, models that treat it like a business tend to be more reliable.

I also like to see a general willingness to work (saying that they're interested in all kinds of shoots, etc.)

3. Red flags - When they say they want to be famous, when they're vague with limits (I'll consider nudes if the idea is really creative), when they say they're bored with 'regular' shoots, when they talk about wanting to create art.

My work is fairly utilitarian, so I'm hesitant to hire models that are looking for art, since they'd probably be disappointed.

4. Portfolio first.  It's the work that matters in the end.  I always read the bio before contacting though.

5. A bio is less important than a portfolio.  I won't hire someone based on their bio alone, but I might skip someone because of it.

Sep 09 16 02:38 pm Link

Photographer

AHphotography

Posts: 149

Brooklyn, New York, US

To me what I look for is reliability! When I place a casting call I have to worry about if the Model is going to pull out of the shoot, worst the day before or on the day. So I end up booking 3 model just in to get one, sometimes all of them come
which can be a problem depending what the shoot about. What's also bad about it the model that didn't show just replaced
another model chance for the shoot. When I start seeing red flags from models I start looking for another model to cover my ass, because I'm responsible for the other people involved in the shoot. MUA, Hairstylist etc. This is just for TF shoots if it's
a client shoot I would put out a casting call to meet with them before hand and most likely it would be through an Agency for accountability.

I also look for someone that has energy, easy going, and really enjoys having their photo taking as much as I love taking them. I look at their images to see how they use there body and face expression in shoots and look up whatever links they have to get a better feel about them.

One more thing. If I find demands in their profile statements, negativeness. I move on. Don't want any headaches.

Hope that helps.

Sep 09 16 03:46 pm Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 117

Portland, Oregon, US

2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?

Acting and dance experience or training.   Seeing it lets me know they won't need much encouragement to emote and know how move.  If they've done nude modeling is a positive.  Even if I'm not asking for nudes I sometimes prefer a model who has.  I find that if a model is comfortable posing nude they're  more comfortable posing while wearing anything.   

1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?

(Placing those 2 questions together)

Complaining about Photographers.  It is horrible that some are crooks and creeps.   I read profiles from Models that write in a tone that pretty much accuses all photographers of being the same.

Inconsistency between text and pictures.   Like writing no nudes but having nude pictures.   Write that their hair is short and blonde but pictures it is long and black.   Text that says they are 25 years old but having adult pictures of them going back 10 years.

Not listing things like their measurements.  I understand people are sensitive about their size but models do model things like clothes.   This is information that I have to know.

Hidden features in pictures.  If there's no pictures of a model smiling does that mean they have bad teeth?   If there's never a clear view of their face does that mean they are unattractive?   Same thing applies if they're always in heavy makeup in every picture.   I don't want to guess what they actually look like and guess wrong.

Out of date pictures.   Everyone ages.   Nobody looks like they did 5 years ago.       

4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?

I read this first 2 sentences then look at the pictures and return to read the rest of bio.

5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

Equally important as their pictures.   Text gives me clue of what they might be like to work with.  It also an indicator of their strengths and limitations.  It also a clue of what a model is willing to model.

Sep 09 16 04:05 pm Link

Photographer

TomFRohwer

Posts: 1601

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

I want:

# correct up-to-date stats (including true age)
# a summary of previous experience and relevant customers ("100+ amateur photographers" is relevant, too)
# information about special skills ("under water", horseback riding, ballet dancing, ...)
# limits ("I don't shoot tasteless images" is not a limit but mere bullshit...)

I do NOT want:

# rants
# political or religious statements ("I do not shoot with leather outfits" is a limit and should be stated there. "I am a PETA activist" repells me because your private obsessions may interfere with your job. If you dont want to shoot with leather outfits that is usefull information. I neither need to know why nor I want to know why...)

Eleanor Rose wrote:
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first?

Portfolio. If your look does not fit nothing else will you make to fit.

5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

It's fine when I get all relevant information firsthand without having to ask.

Sep 10 16 03:49 am Link

Photographer

Pictures of Life

Posts: 792

Spokane, Washington, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?

1. Some indication that they are serious about modeling, ie up to date info, recent activity, shots from a shoot, goals, wish list.  The new profile with 10 selfies and  "I've always wanted to be a model since I was a little girl now that I'm 18 I can be one I'll do anything to make it" doesn't count as serious.
2.  Showing a sense of humor, a genuine smile, a laughing smile, credits/tags with 'shows up on time ready to go', all posted pics credit the photographer, long natural color hair
3.  Close the page = 'I always bring an escort', 'I reserve the right to bring an escort',  'My boyfriend is a photographer so I know,, blah blah ,,' , 'Paid Assignments Only ' ***   
       Red Flags - no close ups, only close ups with heavy editing, no full body shots, really ugly picture in their port, not crediting photographers, "Waist - 0", "weight - 0#", 'I require a copy of all pictures in raw', bio not updated for years ie narrative reads ',,I just turned 22,,,' and their age is listed as 25, any tacky or extreme body art.
4. Usually skim bio, look at port, read and re-read bio. I would never contact a model without fully reading her bio at least twice.
5. The bio is more important than the port.  The port is other photographer's work and might be from years ago, the bio is the model's words and should be current. 

At this point I am only doing trade shoots.  I want to work with models who want to shoot, who have some goals and want to create images, not people who just want a paycheck.  I have no problem with people getting paid, but that is not who I want to work with right now.  So some of my selection criteria *** is completely irrelevant to someone working with a budget.

Sep 10 16 02:12 pm Link

Photographer

tcphoto

Posts: 1030

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Bio? All I want to see are images.

Sep 11 16 07:52 am Link

Photographer

Eagle Rock Photographer

Posts: 1286

Los Angeles, California, US

I agree with Sgt. Friday: "Just the facts, maam." And of course accurate clear photos.

Sep 11 16 12:59 pm Link

Photographer

Roberto De Micheli

Posts: 144

New York, New York, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:
1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?
Thanks!

Hi Eleanor,

I am using agency models (outside MM) more and more, but I still occasionally look around when needing additional models for a shoot.
Now about your questions:
1. stats (measurements, age, location) and indication about willingness to do TF or not
2. Mention of related skills such as acting, dancing, athletics, etc. Mention of experience in the type of projects I am interested into. Mention of access to clothing / locations I find interesting. Mention of potential of networking possibilities.
3. my tolerance about what would turn me off in a model bio is directly proportional to the quality of their portfolio. Of course mentions of rates above the project's budget and/or above my perceived value of the model (due to his/her portfolio) would make me stop considering the model
4. First portfolio always. I always read bios but only for models whose portfolios I like
5. relatively very little. If I like a portfolio I will contact the model unless he/she is too expensive. The less I like a portfolio the more the bio becomes important, but if I really do not like the portfolio, no amount of great text is going to make me contact the model.

Sep 12 16 06:45 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I like to see all the details.  Some models leave things out.

Sep 12 16 09:48 am Link

Model

Eleanor Rose

Posts: 2612

PASO ROBLES, California, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I like to see all the details.  Some models leave things out.

Hi Jerry. Can you give me some clarification as to what "all the details" means for you? Thanks! smile

Sep 12 16 10:08 am Link

Photographer

Jeffrey M Fletcher

Posts: 4861

Asheville, North Carolina, US

I'm looking for personality and avoiding some of the usual red flags. Also looking for a bit of content match as I'm always shooting nudes and don't like pushing folks on things they're not interested in.


None of it really becomes crucial until the interactive messages start, then clear communication, agreements and good matches become essential.

Sep 12 16 11:15 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:

Hi Jerry. Can you give me some clarification as to what "all the details" means for you? Thanks! smile

Look at the left side of your profile page where it says "Details".

Sep 12 16 11:16 am Link

Model

Eleanor Rose

Posts: 2612

PASO ROBLES, California, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

Look at the left side of your profile page where it says "Details".

Oh, ok, I get it now. Sorry for the confusion - my question was about the actual bio text, nothing else, so I thought you meant details in the bio text.

Sep 13 16 11:20 am Link

Photographer

sospix

Posts: 23769

Orlando, Florida, US

Simple, that she's been dyin' ta shoot with someone named "SOS" in Florida  .  .  .  wink  That gets me every time  .  .  .  hint, hint Miss E  .  .  .  you've got an open invite!!!!

SOS

Sep 13 16 11:44 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Eleanor Rose wrote:

Oh, ok, I get it now. Sorry for the confusion - my question was about the actual bio text, nothing else, so I thought you meant details in the bio text.

I find it annoying when some of this information is missing.

Sep 13 16 03:21 pm Link

Photographer

LC Studios313

Posts: 3

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I look at the avatar image at first, then the rest of the portfolio. I look at the quality of the portfolio, then I read the entire bio...including
stats, and categories.  I like for the model to fill out as much info on stats as possible, such as hip size, dress size
and waist. I look for key words in the bio, such as how serious the model is, experience, contact info, and so forth.

If the bio is too long, or if the model is complaining, or sounds too negative, I stop right there.
I also do not look at profiles and bios that are inactive more than 30 days. I prefer to only consider those who are active on the site,
and easy to reach. I also prefer models who have one city listed.

I must be impressed with the model's overall look and portfolio quality. I will not contact a model is looking for paid assignments,
but only has a few snapshots up, regardless of how good she looks.

If a models says she is in school, and working 2 jobs, I tend to move on to the next profile because in my experience, a model
who is that busy will be hard to schedule a shoot with.

Sep 14 16 12:42 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45196

San Juan Bautista, California, US

1. What must you absolutely see in a bio to consider a model?
It didn't used to be an "absolute" but I need to see an Internet presence outside of the Modelmayhem site.  With fans and followers being a valuable commodity for marketing online, I look for models who have accounts on Instagram, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter. and other social networking sites.   Besides the value of having followers and fans for marketing purposes, I also find it easier to verify the person. 

Back in the old days, we exchanged phone numbers & physical addresses which when you think about it, is more risky that exchanging emails and Modelmayhem profiles.  I don't expect to see phone numbers, home addresses or even email addresses for that matter on the profile bio, but I do expect to be able to utilize other places confirm a model is legit.  Posting links to other places is important.


2. What isn't necessary but would make you more strongly consider booking a model?
Showing a sense of humor in their writing in the bio.  I have fun doing what I do or else I wouldn't be doing it.  A sense of humor is valuable in breaking the ice with strangers, and it can make the photo session go so much better.  I love to laugh!  I'm easy going and funny, so if a model is able to display a sense of humor in her bio and/or images, I'm more likely to contact. 

3. What would make you close the page and not contact the model? What's a red flag to you?
Someone who is overly demanding, for example those who insist upon having an escort  (I'm NOT against a model bringing someone.)  Someone who has a "manager" that I must work through. A manager is a total deal breaker.  If I wanted to deal with a proper manager, then I'd go through an agency.   If a models bio is filled with grammar errors and misspelled words, I'll probably move on.   


4. Do you look at bios or portfolios first? How often do you read models bios before contacting them?
I do read the bio first because that is the first page proceeding the portfolio.  Then I look at the images, mostly because I like to know how much experience the model has first.  I always read the bio before contacting.  I would hope models would do the same for my bio as I put a great deal of thought into writing mine.


5. How important would you say that a model's bio text is to you?
If a model is just starting out, it is critical, as I may base my decision on what I read.   If the model has a large portfolio, experience with loads of references, and a look I want to shoot, then the bio is secondary. 


Hope this is helpful to you!

Sep 14 16 06:25 pm Link

Photographer

Fred Ackerman

Posts: 292

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
I'm gonna give just once general answer which should cover most of the questions.

If I see bitching and complaining in a bio, especially if it's the first few sentences and extremely especially if the bio is nothing but bitching and complaining... I pass.  Not only do I pass, I run the opposite direction.

It's uncanny how many so called 'models' do that on MM.

Similarly, when a models bio is full of "I", such as "I want this" and "I want that", it comes across that they're stuck on themselves and not give a crap what the photographer or anyone else wants or needs.

As far as the photos and credits go?  Don't try an impress me (or anyone) by putting up a fake tearsheet or listing a fake 'magazine' that some con artist got the victim to pose for.  It doesn't impress anyone and makes the model appear to be even more vulnerable.

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Obviously, when a model's bio is the polar opposite of what I just mentioned, I'm more likely to contact them.  Just give me the basics, short and sweet.  Don't talk about boyfriends, don't talk about hobbies (unless it's directly involved with modeling or photography).  As Sgt Joe Friday would say... "just the facts mam, just the facts"

I usually read the bio before viewing photos, not always, but most of the time, and I consider the bio to be fairly important, but it should be noted that when you're hiring models from an agency there's almost never a bio to go along with the comp cards that they're showing.

Exactly! I hate crazy demands.. I like full vitals and a bit of humor too!

Sep 14 16 07:20 pm Link