Forums > Model Colloquy > What is art photography

Photographer

vikingfotos

Posts: 15

Dalzell, South Carolina, US

I was recently asked to a art project with a model. I'm not sure what art  photography is. What type of photos or outfits are involved?

Jun 30 17 05:41 am Link

Photographer

Wandering Eyebubble

Posts: 170

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

You have "Art" listed as one of the genres you shoot. What did you have in mind when you listed it?

Jun 30 17 07:41 am Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 3754

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

There are some in the previous poster's port.  There is one in your port that would be a good starting point.

It is as easily defined as art is defined.  Sorry.  No help, I know.  The best suggestion I can make is to start talking to the model about the concepts she has.  She could be thinking anything from bodyscapes to mountain tops.  Take those concepts and get creative with lighting and positions.

Jun 30 17 08:05 am Link

guide forum

Photographer

Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22181

New York, New York, US

I've spent the past 30 years of my life asking that question and studying it.

Start here:

http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthis … otography/

Jun 30 17 08:24 am Link

Photographer

Brian Diaz

Posts: 65430

Danbury, Connecticut, US

vikingfotos wrote:
I was recently asked to a art project with a model. I'm not sure what art  photography is. What type of photos or outfits are involved?

Art photography is broader than any other genre.  It can encompass any type of photo or outfit.

The only way to know for sure is to communicate openly and honestly with everyone else involved.

Jun 30 17 08:44 am Link

Photographer

photo212grapher

Posts: 1804

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Art Photography is photography by Arthur. Ask Arthur what he shoots.

By the very nature of the term "art", you will never get a definitive answer.

Jun 30 17 08:57 am Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 7315

Bellingham, Washington, US

Things that may be important to note.

You have to create your own art, it is good to spend time with the art of other artists and it is good to ponder the unanswerable "what is Art" question. Some ideas may become useful much later than you might hope. No ideas are wasted.

I am going to paraphrase a recent quote from Juana Molina, a musician from Argentina. "Of course we all know that accidents are our best friends. It is just like driving only you don't die." Don't second guess yourself, allow your creativity to flow. When you are finished being creative there is plenty of time for evaluation. Creating is not on a schedule, it is not manufacturing. Let it flow.

I am a songwriter and by far my worst habit is to "edit as I go". I've largely overcome it, the end result being I have lots of really stupid songs and some wonderful things I am very proud to have had flow through me.

Jun 30 17 10:21 am Link

Model

Ionalynn

Posts: 225

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

You might want to ask them about the project.

Ask the person who approached you what THEY think art is.

Jun 30 17 12:44 pm Link

guide forum

Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 7180

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Here's Google's definition of "Art Photography"-- https://www.google.com/search?q=art+pho … mp;bih=414
or to break it down further:
"Art Nude" https://www.google.com/search?q=art+nud … p;dpr=1.25
"Art Portrait"  https://www.google.com/search?q=art+por … mp;bih=414

Etc., etc., etc.

My guess would be that she either means a project built around a specific theme or maybe she wants something involving some level of nudity.  At any rate those seem to me to be the most common definitions.  Best bet is to sit down and discuss it with her.

All IMHO as always, of course.

Jun 30 17 02:36 pm Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 3178

Los Angeles, California, US

Start by understanding what art is:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art

Jun 30 17 03:27 pm Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 8863

Los Angeles, California, US

Art Photography . . . . Photographs produced by an Artist

Jun 30 17 04:39 pm Link

Photographer

j francis photography

Posts: 127

Los Angeles, California, US

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Art Photography . . . . Photographs produced by an Artist

Soup spoon . . . . Spoon used to eat soup

Jun 30 17 04:58 pm Link

Photographer

IMAGINERIES

Posts: 1148

New York, New York, US

I see artistic photography when you have total freedom express yourself to convey a message or an observation
with not constraints from a paying client!...Or a gallery curator demanding more of what sells best .....

Jun 30 17 05:03 pm Link

Photographer

Creative Image

Posts: 1392

Avon, Connecticut, US

It is photography that you call "art".

Jul 03 17 09:32 am Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 7315

Bellingham, Washington, US

There have been long "debate" threads on MM discussing whether an image is "photography" or "graphic arts".

Since the word photography means "writing with light", I feel that should include using a tablet and creating a piece from scratch with a paint program of your choice. While unforeseen at the time the word photography was added to the lexicon, it seems to fit the intention of the word better than using a camera.

So, as well as the difficulty of defining the vast gray area of "art", you also need to define the meaning of "photography".

Or, you could just be creative and make the best images you know how to make. Let others decide, there will never be agreement. So it goes.

Jul 03 17 10:01 am Link

Photographer

IMAGINERIES

Posts: 1148

New York, New York, US

Creative Image wrote:
It is photography that you call "art".

Yes it can be an "art"...Like so many other "arts".....Beside visual arts...Cooking, martial, and on and on....
And off course "the art of the deal".......

Jul 03 17 11:44 am Link

Photographer

hbutz New York

Posts: 3587

New York, New York, US

Art photography: stuff I would hang over the couch in the livingroom.
Erotic photography: stuff I would hang in the den or bathroom.
Glamour: stuff I put on the coffee table.
Pornography: stuff I hide at the bottom of the underwear drawer.
Landscape: stuff I save to replace the erotic photographs with when the in-laws visit.

Jul 17 17 02:59 am Link

Photographer

sospix

Posts: 22695

Orlando, Florida, US

Anything that's a B&W, or duotone  .  .  .  wink

SOS

Jul 17 17 06:54 am Link

Photographer

Love the Arts

Posts: 954

Malibu, California, US

Art photography is subjective and it means a lot of different things to different people.
Some editorial photography could easily fall into that category.

This shot has an art photography feel to it (IMHO). From one of our MM colleagues (Wandering Eyebubble). In this thread.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/170629/18/5955abd74dcfb.jpg
I like this shot! Artfully done.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/141212/09/548b23f4b2690.jpg
or this one from SOSPIX... Excellent!

Jul 17 17 07:25 am Link

guide forum

Model

MatureModelMM

Posts: 2144

Detroit, Michigan, US

I think you have to decide for yourself what is art and what isn't.  I have had many people suggest "artistic" concepts that they wanted me to model for but I didn't see them as being artistic, which didn't always stop me from eagerly participating anyway.  It's all in the eyes of the persons creating the work, and those who look at the finished product. 

Being displayed in an art gallery usually qualifies something as being artistic (to my thinking), but that may also be open to interpretation since I have seen some really bad work in galleries that I wouldn't give a second look, nor would I pose for similar work.  I have posed for quite a few things which were displayed in galleries, but that doesn't mean all of them were art, and I have done other things which I feel quite strongly were artistic but other people don't always think so.

It's about as clear as mud. smile

Jul 17 17 09:42 am Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 10428

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Giacomo Cirrincioni wrote:
I've spent the past 30 years of my life asking that question and studying it.

Start here:

http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthis … otography/

LOL

Jul 17 17 02:18 pm Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 12067

Brooklyn, New York, US

Ask the model directly ??
Why ask anybody else what that person is thinking ?

Jul 17 17 02:38 pm Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 3178

Los Angeles, California, US

I don't believe there is such a thing as "art photography".
It's either art or not: art covers all mediums.

No one says "art painting", or "art sculpture".

Jul 17 17 06:32 pm Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 7315

Bellingham, Washington, US

Jorge Kreimer wrote:
I don't believe there is such a thing as "art photography".
It's either art or not: art covers all mediums.

No one says "art painting", or "art sculpture".

No, but they do say "art hop" so either that means that hopping is art or an especially artistic style of hopping is art, or something. neutral

Edited to add:

Is "art photography" a lower form of art than "fine art photography" or is it the same thing with fewer words?

What about "high fashion"? Is high fashion shot at altitudes or did they just get high?

Jul 17 17 07:04 pm Link

Photographer

Eros Fine Art Photo

Posts: 2852

Torrance, California, US

vikingfotos wrote:
I was recently asked to a art project with a model. I'm not sure what art  photography is. What type of photos or outfits are involved?

I had a friend who was a painter.  She once asked me to take photos of her paintings.  I guess that made me an "art photographer", technically. 

Another time I shot a photo another friend of mine really liked.  He bought a print and hung it on his wall.  I figure that made me an artist, and made my work a piece of art...technically. 

At the end of the day, none of us can possibly know what the model had in mind when she asked you to shoot an art project.  I consider Herb Ritts and artist and love his work (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/462956036674208467/), but can also (occasionally) see the appeal of some of Terry Richardson's work (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/508836457878182591/).  I'm not a fan of Cindy Sherman's work (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/722827808913021326/) at all though; yet she's regarded as one of the most important photographers today and has sold one of the most valuable photographs ever.

So, art is subjective.  Instead of asking us for ideas on what to shoot, I'd ask the model to either create a list here on MM or create a Pinterest file with examples of what she's looking for.  That way, you're both on the same page.

One thing I will say though, is that "art" should at the very least capture the viewer's attention.  In my opinion; the longer an image holds the person's attention, the more likely it's a work of art.

...Unless is utter crap.  Then the photo is more like a bad car crash you simply can turn away from; and instead of appreciating the work, you find yourself asking, "How could they possibly have thought THIS was a good idea??!"  (Kinda' like the movie "Zardoz" or "Speed Racer")

Jul 18 17 01:44 am Link

Photographer

FFantastique

Posts: 2074

Orlando, Florida, US

hbutz New York wrote:
Art photography: stuff I would hang over the couch in the livingroom.
Erotic photography: stuff I would hang in the den or bathroom.
Glamour: stuff I put on the coffee table.
Pornography: stuff I hide at the bottom of the underwear drawer.
Landscape: stuff I save to replace the erotic photographs with when the in-laws visit.

😉

Photographer in movie Gia said at one point after shooting the commercial assignment, "Now let's make art!"

My working definition is our creative endeavors that are not primarily guided by economic concerns! What we prodice in our spare time.

One of the reasons I have lists of images is to be able to reference a list and declare my intention to shoot along that genre but modified by x, y, z.
It's a starting point for discussion that minimizes uncertainty!

Jul 18 17 05:53 am Link

Photographer

FFantastique

Posts: 2074

Orlando, Florida, US

vikingfotos wrote:
I was recently asked to a art project with a model. I'm not sure what art  photography is. What type of photos or outfits are involved?

There are outfits? LOL
They date an image.
Human form is timeless!

Jul 18 17 06:06 am Link

Photographer

FFantastique

Posts: 2074

Orlando, Florida, US

Giacomo Cirrincioni wrote:
I've spent the past 30 years of my life asking that question and studying it.

Start here:

http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthis … otography/

When I posed this question to a prof, he responded "How long do you have?" :-)

Jul 18 17 06:07 am Link

Photographer

FFantastique

Posts: 2074

Orlando, Florida, US

Jorge Kreimer wrote:
Start by understanding what art is:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art

"Though the definition of what constitutes art is disputed[6][7][8] and has changed over time, general descriptions mention an idea of imaginative or technical skill stemming from human agency[9] and creation.[10]"

Jul 18 17 06:10 am Link

Model

Jules NYC

Posts: 20798

New York, New York, US

Jorge Kreimer wrote:
I don't believe there is such a thing as "art photography".
It's either art or not: art covers all mediums.

No one says "art painting", or "art sculpture".

This!

Jul 18 17 09:37 am Link

Model

Missey-Jane

Posts: 1

Oakridge, Oregon, US

I think art in any form is freedom of expression and creative direction where the only boundaries are that of your imagination. Photography is just medium where the canvass being the subject and your brushes are the lighting and the camera. Every genre of photography is art. So I'd ask the poster what genre of art it is they are looking to explore.

Jul 18 17 10:05 am Link

Photographer

Risen Phoenix Photo

Posts: 3478

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Any photography can be artistic regardless of the genre. But generally saying there is a genre called Art Photography.  Just google it and you will get a sense for what it means.

Jul 18 17 10:21 am Link

Photographer

sospix

Posts: 22695

Orlando, Florida, US

Love the Arts wrote:
Art photography is subjective and it means a lot of different things to different people.
Some editorial photography could easily fall into that category.

This shot has an art photography feel to it (IMHO). From one of our MM colleagues (Wandering Eyebubble). In this thread.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/170629/18/5955abd74dcfb.jpg
I like this shot! Artfully done.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/141212/09/548b23f4b2690.jpg
or this one from SOSPIX... Excellent!

Her name ain't "Art" LTS  .  .  .  wink  That's Miss Nay  .  .  .  and, TY for the compliment, she made me look like I knew what I was doin' in that one  .  .  .  wink

SOS

Jul 18 17 10:22 am Link

Photographer

Bourbon Street

Posts: 2585

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

"Art" is in the eye of the beer holder.

Jul 19 17 03:40 pm Link