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JM Dean

Posts: 8931

Cary, North Carolina, US

Had to give this little drawing dohicky a try…

https://www.jmdeanphoto.com/pics/ls.jpg
https://www.jmdeanphoto.com/pics/erika2a.jpg

Dec 08 06 11:24 pm Link

Photographer

JM Dean

Posts: 8931

Cary, North Carolina, US

and 41

Dec 08 06 11:24 pm Link

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Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Ransom J wrote:
hmmm ok I'll play.

https://www.foxdenent.com/images/diagram.jpg

https://foxdenent.com/images/andreahawt.jpg

Very nice lighting RJ. Might I ask is she oiled up and if so, what solution did you use?

Edit:
I'm noticing the strobe model left is higher (maybe 2 feet) then the one on the right, is this correct?

Dec 08 06 11:28 pm Link

Photographer

Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Craig Thomson wrote:

Very nice lighting RJ. Might I ask is she oiled up and if so, what solution did you use?

Edit:
I'm noticing the strobe model left is higher (maybe 2 feet) then the one on the right, is this correct?

Very observant, it's about 18 inches higher on the left. 

And yes she is oiled up.  It's baby oil gel and then liberal use of a spray bottle filled with warm water.

Dec 08 06 11:35 pm Link

Photographer

Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

What are those, White Lighting strobes?

Dec 08 06 11:40 pm Link

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Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Legacys 7 wrote:
What are those, White Lighting strobes?

Yup.  The old coffee can tanks.  These things are GREAT.  Rugged, durable, and give a clean, quality light.

Dec 08 06 11:41 pm Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

Ransom J wrote:

Yup.  The old coffee can tanks.  These things are GREAT.  Rugged, durable, and give a clean, quality light.

that's what I had thought. White Lighting Alien Bees are damn good light and anyone who says that they're not should look at your results.  Look at Chin's image on here. Done with AB.

I have the Calumet Travelites 750 watts per head. I haven't used them yet. Can't wait for this semester to be over, so that I can get a shooting break. I am anxious to put them to use on location. Say? Do you use a portable battery or generator for location?

Dec 08 06 11:49 pm Link

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Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Legacys 7 wrote:

that's what I had thought. White Lighting Alien Bees are damn good light and anyone who says that they're not should look at your results.  Look at Chin's image on here. Done with AB.

I have the Calumet Travelites 750 watts per head. I haven't used them yet. Can't wait for this semester to be over, so that I can get a shooting break. I am anxious to put them to use on location. Say? Do you use a portable battery or generator for location?

That's the other great thing about these lights.  While everyone else is using 2 thousand dollar power packs on location, I can run these off of a 100 dollar back up computer battery and get enough shots to fill a 2gig card with NO problem.

Dec 09 06 12:00 am Link

Photographer

Brandon Ching

Posts: 2028

Brooklyn, New York, US

12 out of the last 13 images in my portfolio were taken with my Alienbees on location. 8 out of those were powered by the Tronix Explorer.

Dec 09 06 12:02 am Link

Photographer

LightLab Studios

Posts: 755

Seattle, Washington, US

thanks everyone for keeping this thread going. i've got two shoots this weekend and hope to photograph one of the setups for a new post.

anyone want to demonstrate the old guard setups like rembrandt, loop, butterfly, etc?

there was a magazine cover this summer that used rembrandt lighting. i believe it was GQ or Vanity Fair. it was group shot featuring Keira Knightley if I remember correctly.

Dec 09 06 12:06 am Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

https://img5.modelmayhem.com/061209/00/457a5e588571c.jpg

https://img2.modelmayhem.com/051104/09/436bcba738f17.jpg

Dec 09 06 12:45 am Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

Ransom J wrote:

That's the other great thing about these lights.  While everyone else is using 2 thousand dollar power packs on location, I can run these off of a 100 dollar back up computer battery and get enough shots to fill a 2gig card with NO problem.

I agree. I need a small generator. I never thought about using a computer battery. It never entered my mind that it will have enough juice.

Dec 09 06 12:58 am Link

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Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Legacys 7 wrote:

I agree. I need a small generator. I never thought about using a computer battery. It never entered my mind that it will have enough juice.

Well it works fine with my set up.  Though the WL-5000's are only 500 watts a piece and I've NEVER ran more than three at one time on it, most often only two, but it gets the job done for my location work.

Dec 09 06 01:02 am Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

Ransom J wrote:

Well it works fine with my set up.  Though the WL-5000's are only 500 watts a piece and I've NEVER ran more than three at one time on it, most often only two, but it gets the job done for my location work.

send me a link where i can see a computer battery?

Dec 09 06 01:08 am Link

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Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Legacys 7 wrote:

send me a link where i can see a computer battery?

https://www.thuneagle.com/pics/BE500U.jpg

You can buy them at Best Buy or COMPUSA or any computer/ electronics store.

Dec 09 06 01:15 am Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

Ransom J wrote:

https://www.thuneagle.com/pics/BE500U.jpg

You can buy them at Best Buy or COMPUSA or any computer/ electronics store.

I'll look into this. good looking out.

Dec 09 06 01:21 am Link

Photographer

Nate Kalushner

Posts: 284

Los Angeles, California, US

heres one of mine, probably my favorite lighting plot as of right now. tried to copy a portrait i saw taken by clayton cubitt. pay no attention to the fact that its a picture of my ugly mug and that it looks like i havnt slept in a week.

https://img5.modelmayhem.com/061209/01/457a655821411.jpg

Dec 09 06 01:25 am Link

Photographer

Brandon Ching

Posts: 2028

Brooklyn, New York, US

I thought those computer UPS things weren't true sine wave and you risk damaging your lights or overloading the inverter since they aren't designed for the huge rush of power the flash capacitors draw while they're recycling?

Dec 09 06 01:27 am Link

Photographer

Brandon Ching

Posts: 2028

Brooklyn, New York, US

open aperture wrote:
heres one of mine, probably my favorite lighting plot as of right now. tried to copy a portrait i saw taken by clayton cubitt. pay no attention to the fact that its a picture of my ugly mug and that it looks like i havnt slept in a week.

Aren't your snoots pointing the wrong way? LOL..

Dec 09 06 01:29 am Link

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Nate Kalushner

Posts: 284

Los Angeles, California, US

they are arnt they. ha! oh well, you get the idea

Dec 09 06 01:31 am Link

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Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Brandon Ching wrote:
I thought those computer UPS things weren't true sine wave and you risk damaging your lights or overloading the inverter since they aren't designed for the huge rush of power the flash capacitors draw while they're recycling?

Hmmm, maybe so but I had my father (master electrician) check out everything before buying it and he said it was a go, but that my limit was two heads on full power or all three on 1/3 power.  Anything more and I'm asking for trouble.

Dec 09 06 01:31 am Link

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Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Another
https://www.foxdenent.com/images/LightingSetup.jpg

https://www.foxdenent.com/images/DSC07924.jpg

Dec 09 06 01:35 am Link

Photographer

Brandon Ching

Posts: 2028

Brooklyn, New York, US

Ransom J wrote:
Hmmm, maybe so but I had my father (master electrician) check out everything before buying it and he said it was a go, but that my limit was two heads on full power or all three on 1/3 power.  Anything more and I'm asking for trouble.

I wouldn't recommend people to use APC UPS unless they pick up the ones that produce True Sine Wave and have a VA rating at least 150% of their max power requirement i.e. if your strobes draw 10 amps at 110V, that's 1100 watts.

1100 x 1.5 = a 1650 VA rating

AlienBees/WhiteLightings draw 8 amps at 120V (per light) or 960 watts x 1.5 = 1440 VA

I'd say you'd have to get their 1500 VA to power 1 light at full power safely. Of course there are larger and more pricier units but at that point, you're better off buying a Vagabond/Tronix, or building your own battery/inverter combo.

Dec 09 06 01:54 am Link

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Ransomaniac

Posts: 12588

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Brandon Ching wrote:

I wouldn't recommend people to use APC UPS unless they pick up the ones that produce True Sine Wave and have a VA rating at least 150% of their max power requirement i.e. if your strobes draw 10 amps at 110V, that's 1100 watts.

1100 x 1.5 = a 1650 VA rating

The AlienBees (B400/B800/B1600) draw 8 amps at 120V or 960 watts x 1.5 = 1440 VA

I'd say you'd have to get their 1500 VA to power 1 light at full power safely. Of course there are larger and more pricier units but at that point, you're better off buying a Vagabond/Tronix, or building your own battery/inverter combo.

Again I didn't recommend anything and i just relayed was a master electrician told me i'd be safe operating at.  I trust his judgement (he IS my father) and luckily if something DOES happen he'll rebuild my strobes from the ground up.  FOR FREE! lol.

Dec 09 06 01:59 am Link

Photographer

Brandon Ching

Posts: 2028

Brooklyn, New York, US

Exactly, it works in your situation! ..but I wouldn't want people to followup and just pick up any UPS and be disappointed at its performance and possibly risk damaging their lights or UPS or both. Better to err on the side of caution.

Dec 09 06 02:12 am Link

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Sean Armenta

Posts: 1560

Los Angeles, California, US

WOW how cool is this little diagramming thing!  sweet!

this:


https://seanarmenta.com/samples/PM-Red-Setup.jpg


gets you this:


https://seanarmenta.com/samples/PM_KRISTIN-054.jpg


and if you want to see the video of it, go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftbXkMw0NA

Dec 09 06 02:26 am Link

Photographer

Matthew Allen MEDIA

Posts: 251

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Guess it's my turn:


this:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/nicklebagkilla/SHELBY1FIXEDwebLS.jpg


gave me this:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/nicklebagkilla/SHELBY1FIXEDweb.jpg

Dec 09 06 02:57 am Link

Photographer

Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

Brandon Ching wrote:

I wouldn't recommend people to use APC UPS unless they pick up the ones that produce True Sine Wave and have a VA rating at least 150% of their max power requirement i.e. if your strobes draw 10 amps at 110V, that's 1100 watts.

1100 x 1.5 = a 1650 VA rating

AlienBees/WhiteLightings draw 8 amps at 120V (per light) or 960 watts x 1.5 = 1440 VA

I'd say you'd have to get their 1500 VA to power 1 light at full power safely. Of course there are larger and more pricier units but at that point, you're better off buying a Vagabond/Tronix, or building your own battery/inverter combo.

That's a good point. My mind was tired when I replied to the APS unit and didn't think about asking about if these units have true and claen Sine Wave. I have a power inverter that have Sine Wave. Some of the Honda generators have it.

Dec 09 06 06:55 am Link

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Gary Blanchette

Posts: 5137

Irvine, California, US

This thread is awesome. Thanks for posting it.

Dec 09 06 07:45 am Link

Photographer

RBDesign

Posts: 2728

North East, Maryland, US

I think that this thread is pretty good, given the average MM photo/lighting thread. One thing that I would suggest to make it way more useful to people looking to learn lighting setups is that posters include the distance of lights from subject, distance of subject from background, etc. One of the things that most photographers just starting out with studio lighting really screw up on is placing lights/reflectors/etc way too far away from subjects and subjects way too close to backgrounds.

Just my $.02

RB

Dec 09 06 09:40 am Link

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Nate Kalushner

Posts: 284

Los Angeles, California, US

Sean Armenta wrote:
WOW how cool is this little diagramming thing!  sweet!

this:


https://seanarmenta.com/samples/PM-Red-Setup.jpg


gets you this:


https://seanarmenta.com/samples/PM_KRISTIN-054.jpg


and if you want to see the video of it, go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftbXkMw0NA

hey Sean,
how did you get what looks like a catchlight in the bottom of her eye? is that just bounce from the floor?

Dec 09 06 10:28 am Link

Photographer

919

Posts: 1273

Kalamazoo, Michigan, US

open aperture wrote:
heres one of mine, probably my favorite lighting plot as of right now. tried to copy a portrait i saw taken by clayton cubitt. pay no attention to the fact that its a picture of my ugly mug and that it looks like i havnt slept in a week.

https://img5.modelmayhem.com/061209/01/457a655821411.jpg

Maybe its because I haven't slept in a week.....but I find you incredibly hot.

Dec 09 06 10:32 am Link

Photographer

Brandon Ching

Posts: 2028

Brooklyn, New York, US

RBDesign wrote:
I think that this thread is pretty good, given the average MM photo/lighting thread. One thing that I would suggest to make it way more useful to people looking to learn lighting setups is that posters include the distance of lights from subject, distance of subject from background, etc. One of the things that most photographers just starting out with studio lighting really screw up on is placing lights/reflectors/etc way too far away from subjects and subjects way too close to backgrounds.

Just my $.02

RB

That's what the grid is for! 1 square = 1 foot wink

...but yes, it would be helpful if people would actually position things to scale.

Dec 09 06 11:36 am Link

Photographer

LightLab Studios

Posts: 755

Seattle, Washington, US

yes, i agree, showing the approx distances between lights and subject in the setup is extremely helpful. so try to stick to scale when making diagrams. thanks.
tom

Dec 09 06 12:25 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Photosculpt

Posts: 127

Germantown, Maryland, US

Legacys 7 wrote:

I'll look into this. good looking out.

When you are at the store ask where the UPS (Uninteruptible Power Supplies) are located.  If you ask for computer battery they will point you to little circular things that look like oversized watch batteries.  These UPS devices come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and weights. It is a terrific idea for portable power.

Dec 09 06 12:36 pm Link

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Legacys 7

Posts: 33899

San Francisco, California, US

SculptedLife wrote:

When you are at the store ask where the UPS (Uninteruptible Power Supplies) are located.  If you ask for computer battery they will point you to little circular things that look like oversized watch batteries.  These UPS devices come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and weights. It is a terrific idea for portable power.

That's what Ransum J pointed out. But I'm also glad that Brian addressed the Sine Wave issue. My mind was brunt out lastnight (school) when Ihad replied to this topc. Are you using UPS for your lights?

Dec 09 06 12:49 pm Link

Photographer

Nate Kalushner

Posts: 284

Los Angeles, California, US

919 wrote:

Maybe its because I haven't slept in a week.....but I find you incredibly hot.

you should really get some rest ; )

Dec 09 06 04:39 pm Link

Photographer

sebmour

Posts: 32

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

https://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/sebmour/LightingSetup.jpg?t=1165705850

Light was overhead with a bounce umbrella. Taking the picture myself at arms lenght. snoot with red gel behing to create color on background. Reflector at chest height.

Result is this
https://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/sebmour/seb1web.jpg?t=1165705981

Dec 09 06 04:58 pm Link

Photographer

919

Posts: 1273

Kalamazoo, Michigan, US

open aperture wrote:

you should really get some rest ; )

Meh.  I find its easier when I don't sleep.

Dec 09 06 08:24 pm Link

Photographer

ward

Posts: 6142

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Sleep is over-rated...you can't shoot when you're sleeping. smile

Dec 09 06 09:41 pm Link