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nwprophoto

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What should we expect in the USA? Get prepared for?

Feb 25 20 10:36 am Link

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Shadow Dancer

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The headline is sort of click bait but read the article.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/harvard-scie … 00282.html

It is easily spread because many people can carry it without any severe effects, making it difficult if not impossible to quarentine the afflicted.

Even if we closed all of our borders (something we can't do because there is too much $$$$ flowing in both directions), it is already here.

Learn not to touch things that other people touch and/or carry handwipes because you cannot negotiate doorknobs with your elbows (sort of kidding but not kidding).

Feb 25 20 11:09 am Link

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LnN Studio

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How do you prepare for something akin to the common cold but more lethal? there is no cure and no vaccine...yet.
IMO like most of the other pandemic fears this too will soon pass with little affect and soon forgotten, just like the others and the next one. Fear is the biggest thing we need to worry about.
Wash you hands frequently, with soap and don't touch you eyes, nose or face.
It could be bad but most likely will not.

Feb 25 20 11:25 am Link

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Eros Fine Art Photo

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It just hit Italy, so I imagine it will spread pretty quickly over there.  If it's not contained, it could spread to Europe.  Once that happens, I think it'll be very easy for it to get over here to the U.S. 

It's not a matter of being paranoid, but I think we should all be cautious and start preparing some supplies for a possible two week quarantine.  Looking at the W.H.O.'s situation reports, it looks like the infections are doubling every week.  By March, over 1 million people in China will be affected by it.  If that occurs, then it'll spread exponentially and become a global pandemic by summer time. 

Fortunately, the mortality rate is below 3%, so most people will likely just get sick for a bit.  The elderly and infants are at the highest risk, as well as communities where there's very poor medical care and unclean living conditions.

Feb 25 20 12:40 pm Link

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Shadow Dancer

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Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
It just hit Italy, so I imagine it will spread pretty quickly over there.  If it's not contained, it could spread to Europe.  Once that happens, I think it'll be very easy for it to get over here to the U.S. 

It's not a matter of being paranoid, but I think we should all be cautious and start preparing some supplies for a possible two week quarantine.  Looking at the W.H.O.'s situation reports, it looks like the infections are doubling every week.  By March, over 1 million people in China will be affected by it.  If that occurs, then it'll spread exponentially and become a global pandemic by summer time. 

Fortunately, the mortality rate is below 3%, so most people will likely just get sick for a bit.  The elderly and infants are at the highest risk, as well as communities where there's very poor medical care and unclean living conditions.

It is extremely likely that we have "carriers" already here.
There have been outbreaks in South Korea, lots of travel to and from there as well.
And folks who've been to China and returned, to say nothing of Canadians who may have visited these places and then came to Bellingham to shop etc...

Feb 25 20 12:56 pm Link

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rfordphotos

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The Center for Disease Control says it will strike here. The CDC says we need to prepare, nationally, for the impact of a potential pandemic. So far, I havent seen any "plans" for how we are supposed to prepare.

It is EARLY in this battle. There is waaaay more they need to understand about the virus and the disease it causes.

At this time they believe it is more contagious than the typical seasonal flu. It appears to be contagious before it shows symptoms- that is serious as it makes it easier to spread before you know you are sick.

It appears to kill about 2% of those infected. That is a MUCH higher percentage than the seasonal flu- and the seasonal flu has killed  over 10,000 Americans this flu season.

So far- the best defense seems to be avoiding exposure. Duh.

That being said- the actual best defense seems to be common sense- LOTS of hand washing. Hand sanitizer if you cant wash your hands with soap and water. Dont touch your face without washing your hands first. Be mindful of contact with "public" surfaces, - door handles, faucets etc etc.

If you develop symptoms- avoid other people- stay home- dont be the guy who infects the whole office.

First world nations with well developed health care systems will cope. I am very concerned with what may happen in third world nations who are already teetering on the brink of disaster.

Feb 25 20 01:16 pm Link

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nwprophoto

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Shadow Dancer wrote:
Even if we closed all of our borders (something we can't do because there is too much $$$$ flowing in both directions), it is already here.

Haven't some countries closed their borders?

Feb 25 20 02:18 pm Link

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nwprophoto

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LnN Studio wrote:
Wash you hands frequently, with soap and don't touch you eyes, nose or face.

Surgical gloves?

Feb 25 20 02:19 pm Link

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nwprophoto

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Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
but I think we should all be cautious and start preparing some supplies for a possible two week quarantine. .

2 weeks? I was thinking a couple months.

Feb 25 20 02:20 pm Link

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rxz

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I checked the CDC stats for estimated deaths to date related to coming down with the flu since Oct 1, 2019.  Their number was 14,000 to 41,000.  So health officials actively push getting an annual flu shot.   But no nation wide panic. 
Back in 2003 on one of my photo adventures with my photog friend who was also a doctor, he spend one evening discussing SARS, and the potential health risk if SARS got loose across the planet.  He left me totally terrified back then.   
So what's so different with COVID-19?

Feb 25 20 02:29 pm Link

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Tony From Syracuse

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its all about access.  we have to lock down the country from people from china at the least. it will be painful, but with these things one has to look out for #1

Feb 25 20 02:52 pm Link

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rfordphotos

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Tony From Syracuse wrote:
its all about access.  we have to lock down the country from people from china at the least. it will be painful, but with these things one has to look out for #1

Tony- I am certainly not arguing that quarantines are not appropriate. Restricting travel to and from known hotspots seems like an absolute no-brainer.

But I am hearing epidemiologists saying it is almost impossible to contain a virus this contagious. Meaning, eventually, as we are already seeing, it will "leak".

We are already restricting anyone who has traveled in China for the past 21 days. So, should we also be restricting Italians? Koreans? Japanese?

Anyone who has traveled thru Iran?

At some point, short of complete isolation, quarantines stop being a viable option. Personally, I think we passed that point a couple weeks back.

edit to add: I am NOT saying to abandon quarantines- leave them in place- but lets be realistic about how successful they will be in protecting us.

Feb 25 20 03:29 pm Link

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Focuspuller

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Absolutely nothing to worry about, folks. As Medal of Freedom winner Dr. Rush Limbaugh has said,"I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus.,,, The coronavirus is the common cold, folks."

Feb 25 20 03:37 pm Link

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rfordphotos

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nwprophoto wrote:

Surgical gloves?

Infectious disease specialists say the general public is better served by steeply increasing hand washing.

They say masks and gloves are less help unless you are in an area where you KNOW the infection is prevalent- your spouse or child is sick in your home for instance. In a case like that you should use the same gear health care workers would use.

Health care workers should use full protective gear- masks, face shields, gloves and disposable gowns...

It is important to remember... the VAST majority (~98%) of people who get the virus will recover, most without ever going to the doctor or hospital------- but they are contagious, and statistics say they WILL infect that 2% who may die.

Feb 25 20 03:41 pm Link

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Shadow Dancer

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nwprophoto wrote:

Haven't some countries closed their borders?

I don't know, do you have a link?

Feb 25 20 03:47 pm Link

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Model Mayhem Edu

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Protective masks can help but don't waste your money on commonly worn surgical masks, experts say they're ineffective. You need a heavy-duty N95 respirator mask.

Feb 25 20 04:25 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

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We should expect panic, Irrational fears and a windfall for those who seek to profit from all aspects of those fears

Feb 25 20 05:12 pm Link

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Tony Lawrence

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Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
We should expect panic, Irrational fears and a windfall for those who seek to profit from all aspects of those fears

Yours is post of the week if not month.   In an age of inexpensive international travel there is no stopping any highly infectious disease or virus.   With weeks long incubation periods the infected will likely spread the disease which by most accounts isn't all that deadly.   My guess is we will have a cure in a few weeks and this will all be over and a chosen few will make millions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/worl … -news.html   Anybody remember Ebola?

Feb 25 20 05:32 pm Link

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Tony Lawrence wrote:

Yours is post of the week if not month.   In an age of inexpensive international travel there is no stopping any highly infectious disease or virus.   With weeks long incubation periods the infected will likely spread the disease which by most accounts isn't all that deadly.   My guess is we will have a cure in a few weeks and this will all be over and a chosen few will make millions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/worl … -news.html   Anybody remember Ebola?

Yes Ebola...
That was after SARS was going to wipe out mankind

Feb 25 20 05:38 pm Link

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Tony From Syracuse

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I think complete isolation is in fact appropriate. the main reason being, given the amount infected, the amount dying does seem to be fairly low in comparison.

  I think they will come up with vaccine for this pretty soon if we just suck out all of the air for at least america for what could be a short amount of time.yes, stop travel from any countries where there is a certain percentage, which should be determined by people smarter than me.

Feb 25 20 05:42 pm Link

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Charles Howse

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Yesterday CDC made an announcement that sounded like "Don't worry, most people will become infected but few will die from it. There is no way to stop it from spreading"
That sounds pretty tough-love realistic to me.
2% mortality rate. Lower than the durrent flu outbreak in USA. 80,000 people died last year from common flu.

I'm traveling this next week and am taking sanitizing wipes, hand sanitizer, and lots of common sense  (wife) with me.

Feb 26 20 06:01 am Link

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Shadow Dancer

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Feb 26 20 09:06 am Link

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FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY

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Going with 'Media hype'

Feb 26 20 09:46 am Link

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LnN Studio

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Today the market was rebounding then a leak from somebody at the FDA about "potential" possibilities and most pf the rebound immediately gone.
Administration announced how much they were going to spend and Schumer immediately said it wasn't enough, Nancy said it is too late. Seriously
What happened to the demonstrations in Hong Kong?
It is a Presidential election year.
What % of the problem is medical and what media hype for eyeballs/readers and what part political opportunism?
Guess we will have the answers next year.

Feb 26 20 10:15 am Link

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Shadow Dancer

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LnN Studio wrote:
Today the market was rebounding then a leak from somebody at the FDA about "potential" possibilities and most pf the rebound immediately gone.
Administration announced how much they were going to spend and Schumer immediately said it wasn't enough, Nancy said it is too late. Seriously
What happened to the demonstrations in Hong Kong?
It is a Presidential election year.
What % of the problem is medical and what media hype for eyeballs/readers and what part political opportunism?
Guess we will have the answers next year.

Market prices are frequently shifted by Automated Buying and Selling.
Computers track changes and make decisions. If a large shareholder (just for hypothetical example Morgan Stanley) has a computer start selling a big chunk of shares of a particular holding, the price will start to go down, triggering computers at other large shareholders to either sell that stock or buy it, depending on the data that has been entered. If they all start selling, the price will go way down. Then, the Buy triggers will hit and it will start going back up.

It is Digital Herd Behavior and it involves so many shares that small investors can only watch and react as best as they see fit. These dips can be buying opportunities if you chose well.

Feb 26 20 10:58 am Link

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FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
Going with 'Media hype'

..."Liked"

Feb 26 20 11:10 am Link

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nwprophoto

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LnN Studio wrote:
What % of the problem is medical and what media hype for eyeballs/readers and what part political opportunism?

The era of nano second market reactions by the the high speed traders.

With so many working parents these days just take the prospect of schools
closing down and the snowball effect that would have on the economy.

Feb 26 20 12:49 pm Link

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So they slowly release things to build fear in the public.

The fear grows and grows as more cases are reported world wide.

Then they say many are infected without showing more symptoms than a common cold, but are spreading the virus.

The fear grows and grows as each death is reported, making it seem like a dire situation.

Then the vaccine is announced.

But wait, supplies are limited.

Who gets it.So who gets the vaccine when there is not enough for everyone?

How much are you willing to pay to get the vaccine?

What, the vaccine is made in China?

Feb 26 20 05:36 pm Link

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Tony From Syracuse

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I am just too old. these things crop up and the media just goes batshit politicizing it. rinse lather and repeat.  I suspect this thing will fade out like every other thing.

Feb 26 20 06:33 pm Link

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Ken Marcus Studios

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Exactly 102 years ago last month, the Spanish Flu Pandemic was started in the US and then killed between 50 and 100 million people worldwide.
Spanish flu killed more people than any pandemic disease before or since, including the sixth-century Plague of Justinian, the medieval Black Death, the AIDS epidemic or Ebola.

Flu is not a thing to be taken lightly . . .

Feb 26 20 08:09 pm Link

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Shadow Dancer

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61 known cases in the US currently.
The latest one was probably contracted locally.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-r … 00658.html

Feb 26 20 08:20 pm Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

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This is not the Spanish Flu !!!
I wonder what purell stock is up to ?

Feb 26 20 09:22 pm Link

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John Silva Photography

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nwprophoto wrote:
What should we expect in the USA? Get prepared for?

I already got two of those white germ suits for my both of my cameras so I think I'll be fine!!! LoL
John

Feb 27 20 12:31 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

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Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Exactly 102 years ago last month, the Spanish Flu Pandemic was started in the US and then killed between 50 and 100 million people worldwide.
Spanish flu killed more people than any pandemic disease before or since, including the sixth-century Plague of Justinian, the medieval Black Death, the AIDS epidemic or Ebola.

Flu is not a thing to be taken lightly . . .

"The risk to the American people remains very low," Trump said,

Feb 27 20 01:54 am Link

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Red Sky Photography

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Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
"The risk to the American people remains very low," Trump said,

VP Pence is now in charge of our response to this Virus.

"Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” is a reference to news stories from spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted."

Feb 27 20 07:28 am Link

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Tony From Syracuse

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when these type of things happen, and they do, there are people who panic, and there are people who keep their heads cool. I am glad we have a president who is keeping his cool while the media is absolutely going batshit crazy. and the markets which are always jittery on the slightest thing of course drop on all this.   like every other "pandemic" this will fade out, and the media will be onto the next thing.

in the big picture view...its all such silliness.

Feb 29 20 06:34 am Link

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GRMACK

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Not that concerned about it here.

I'm more concerned if I go into the local Targetto during the week and see a kid in there during school hours, but is out from maybe having a cold and coughing it up around the place.  I avoid those kids, aisles, and toy areas when I spot them.  Same for grocery stores.  Little snot gobblers should stay home, but irresponsible parents drag them in there to cootify the place.

Feb 29 20 07:36 am Link

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FFantastique

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Will.

Feb 29 20 07:44 am Link

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nwprophoto

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Tonasket, Washington, US

GRMACK wrote:
Not that concerned about it here.

Nothing wrong with being prepared though.

Feb 29 20 08:58 am Link

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Paolo D Photography

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FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
Going with 'Media hype'

+1

Feb 29 20 09:33 am Link