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Photographer
Tog
Posts: 55,204
Birmingham, Alabama, US


I'm not a huge lover of cliches myself, but....

Have you ever noticed that quite often the originator of any given thread about, "If I see one more Cliche-X pic, I'll scream" has a port full of cliches of a different type?

Am I the only one who's heard the saying about throwing stones and glass houses?
Dec 21 06 08:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12,588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Yeah the people that make those threads always live in a swarovski crystal chateau.
Dec 21 06 08:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Daniela Victoria
Posts: 25,108
Cranford, New Jersey, US


i'm eating steak, spinach and drinking chianti- you two wanna come over and bitch about this at my place? wink
Dec 21 06 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Bowman
Posts: 6,503
Atlanta, Georgia, US


The use of the word cliche is, ironically, becoming cliche...  It's gone the way of the word art, becoming meaningless from overuse. 


Because there's really nothing new under the sun, most of us are shooting one cliche or another.  Some of us just don't shoot those cliches as well as others can and consequently look worse by comparison.  A concept only gets the label "cliche" when it's executed badly.  When it's done well, suddenly it's "edgy" or "hot" or any other randomly selected adjective that has no meaning.

But I digress...

My point is that the execution of anything is all that really matters.  If a photo engaging and memorable, it just is.  A good example is Diesel's most recent ad campaign featuring  -oh, the horror-  none other than angel wings.  All over the place, I might add.  And in my opinion, it's an excellent series. 


I'm convinced that the better shooter can take a so-called cliche that everyone bitches about and make it look good...
Dec 21 06 09:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12,588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Daniela V wrote:
i'm eating steak, spinach and drinking chianti- you two wanna come over and bitch about this at my place? wink

Won't be much bitchin' going on....

Dec 21 06 09:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stan Schutze
Posts: 681
San Diego, California, US


It's just the way it is ... human nature.

A few people lead, everyone else follows. Followers have lots of parroted opinions to go with what they copy.

Like a pyramid.
Dec 21 06 09:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12,588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Jay Bowman wrote:
The use of the word cliche is, ironically, becoming cliche...  It's gone the way of the word art, becoming meaningless from overuse. 


Because there's really nothing new under the sun, most of us are shooting one cliche or another.  Some of us just don't shoot those cliches as well as others can and consequently look worse by comparison.  A concept only gets the label "cliche" when it's executed badly.  When it's done well, suddenly it's "edgy" or "hot" or any other randomly selected adjective that has no meaning.

But I digress...

My point is that the execution of anything is all that really matters.  If a photo engaging and memorable, it just is.  I good example is Diesel's most recent ad campaign featuring  -oh, the horror-  none other than angel wings.  All over the place, I might add.  And in my opinion, it's an excellent series. 


I'm convinced that the better shooter can take a so-called cliche that everyone bitches about and make it look good...

Yep.

I've always said that people that tirelessly complain about cliche's lack the creative acumen to make a cliche interesting.

Dec 21 06 09:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Daniela Victoria
Posts: 25,108
Cranford, New Jersey, US


Ransom J wrote:

Won't be much bitchin' going on....

this steak is so slammin you have no idea.

get in your car- yum. i have like 5 more bottles of chianti

Dec 21 06 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stan Schutze
Posts: 681
San Diego, California, US


Daniela V wrote:
i'm eating steak, spinach and drinking chianti- you two wanna come over and bitch about this at my place? wink

What kind of steak? What kind of chianti? ... how did you prepare your spinach?

You just made my stomach summersault.

Don't tell me you have pumpkin cheesecake for desert, please.

Dec 21 06 09:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Daniela Victoria
Posts: 25,108
Cranford, New Jersey, US


Stan Schutze wrote:

What kind of steak? What kind of chianti? ... how did you prepare your spinach?

You just made my stomach summersault.

Don't tell me you have pumpkin cheesecake for desert, please.

filet steak. it's medium rare. ruffino reserve chianti. spinach is steamed with butter.

and my tomato basil risotto just finished.

for desert? maybe karaoke wink

Dec 21 06 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Luccied
Posts: 158
Bridgewater, New Jersey, US


Daniela V wrote:
filet steak. it's medium rare. ruffino reserve chianti. spinach is steamed with butter.

and my tomato basil risotto just finished.

for desert? maybe karaoke wink

the gold label?  wish I were there smile

Dec 21 06 09:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Daniela Victoria
Posts: 25,108
Cranford, New Jersey, US


Peter R wrote:

the gold label?  wish I were there smile

my dog is finishing up the filet that I can't. spoiled diva that she is.

everyone is welcome to come on over- but none of you are near NJ tongue

Dec 21 06 09:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Huynh Studios
Posts: 384
Sacramento, California, US


I'm not here to create hate threads. I just ask uncomfortable questions.
Dec 21 06 09:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
StacyJack
Posts: 2,297
Los Angeles, California, US


Ransom J wrote:
Yeah the people that make those threads always live in a swarovski crystal chateau.

wow, that sounds fancy...

Dec 21 06 10:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
fstopdreams
Posts: 4,300
Chattanooga, Tennessee, US


...Stacy wrote:

wow, that sounds fancy...

Yeah, my mud hut with a straw roof kinda feels humble right now. Maybe I can find a Swarovski mud hut with a turret and stuff?

Dec 21 06 10:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
fstopdreams
Posts: 4,300
Chattanooga, Tennessee, US


Huynh Photography wrote:
I'm not here to create hate threads. I just ask uncomfortable questions.

For the record, not one of your posits has made me uncomfortable. Some have been distasteful. Some have caused me irritation. Some have made me wonder what sort of a person you are. But none have actually caused any sort of tangible discomfort.

Dec 21 06 10:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6,631
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US


Huynh Photography wrote:
I'm not here to create hate threads. I just ask uncomfortable questions.

No offense but, you give yourself way to much credit;
Your questions aren't uncomfortable at all... Just usually kind of inane.
However... they are none the less, questions and... you are entitled to ask them regardless of how inane I think they may be;
Carry on.

Dec 22 06 12:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6,631
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US


Does cliche equal overdone or just overdone poorly?
If it's obvious, it will become "cliche" sooner or later... I think the same people that have made crying cliche "cliche" are just incapable of taking an overused concept and making it different or better.
Just my opinion.
Dec 22 06 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Daniela Victoria
Posts: 25,108
Cranford, New Jersey, US


T H Taylor wrote:

No offense but, you give yourself way to much credit;
Your questions aren't uncomfortable at all... Just usually kind of inane.
However... they are none the less, questions and... you are entitled to ask them regardless of how inane I think they may be;
Carry on.

th- that main image is one of the best holiday images on here.

it's missing some bright pink hats though wink

Dec 22 06 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
A BRITT
Posts: 7,839
CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US


Huynh Photography wrote:
I'm not here to create hate threads. I just ask uncomfortable questions.

LMAO!!!

as if!
ok

*catches breath

ok
some entertainment from this fool
at last!!!

Dec 22 06 12:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
A BRITT
Posts: 7,839
CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US


T H Taylor wrote:
No offense but, you give yourself way to much credit;

agreed
but on that note .. here's a hilarious and ''cliched'' remark
since we are on about human nature


''I am a classy girl, STUCK in the wrong town.''

LMAO!!

Dec 22 06 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6,631
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US


Daniela V wrote:

th- that main image is one of the best holiday images on here.

it's missing some bright pink hats though wink

Nah... It's missing YOU!
wink

Dec 22 06 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6,631
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US


Anjel Britt wrote:

agreed
but on that note .. here's a hilarious and ''cliched'' remark
since we are on about human nature


''I am a classy girl, STUCK in the wrong town.''

LMAO!!

I have seen that before and, it's pretty funny cause.. "Classy" is truly subjective:  Hey, If a model doesn't audibly fart in fromt of me, she's class in my book And I'm still pretty open even if I do hear it!).

Dec 22 06 12:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Daniela Victoria
Posts: 25,108
Cranford, New Jersey, US


T H Taylor wrote:

Nah... It's missing YOU!
wink

well I didn't want to state the obvious wink

someday!!!

Dec 22 06 12:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PK Brazil
Posts: 4,211
Baltimore, Maryland, US


I could go for a porter house steak. That would be nice.
Dec 22 06 12:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
La Seine by the Hudson
Posts: 8,587
New York, New York, US


Jay Bowman wrote:
My point is that the execution of anything is all that really matters.  If a photo engaging and memorable, it just is.  A good example is Diesel's most recent ad campaign featuring  -oh, the horror-  none other than angel wings.  All over the place, I might add.  And in my opinion, it's an excellent series. 


I'm convinced that the better shooter can take a so-called cliche that everyone bitches about and make it look good...

It's their best ad campaign in years.

Anyway... (Paul McCartney:) All together now! (John Lennon:) All you need is wuv!

Dec 22 06 01:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 11,726
Tampa, Florida, US


Jay Bowman wrote:
The use of the word cliche is, ironically, becoming cliche...  It's gone the way of the word art, becoming meaningless from overuse.

Agreed. It's very similar to the models that can't wait to turn 18 so they can "pose" for Suicide Girls because it's so...um...non-conformist. When that many people are non-conformist, they are conforming.

Dec 22 06 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Artistic Vision
Posts: 2,199
Billings, Montana, US


isn't it a coincidence I just hate people who act like their shit don't' stink
Dec 22 06 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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