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Photographer
00siris
Posts: 19,155
New York, New York, US


New  York City are === I'm considering doing body painting again. Last time I did it, all the models were great and we had SUPER time.

Right now I'm trying to gage the interest.

Of course the shoot is mostly implied. But it's not for everyone. It's just that model is 100% nude in front of the photog (me - lol) and the paint is applied all over her body including the private areas. That takes a bit getting used to. That's why I say it's not for everyone. It's not the pictures. It's the PROCESS.

Standing nude in front of a guy you don't know while he's apply paint is knida invasion in a way. It's totally professional - just unusual. After it's applied though, I get the same reaction from all the models. They feel amazing and they all love that they look amazing.

Don't forget - the shots are AWESOME.

Let me know what you think (good and bad)
Sep 07 05 11:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
KeLynnV
Posts: 2
Euless, Texas, US


Me Personally I Would Do It. I Comfortable With Myself & If Im Agreeing To The Shoot I Know That The Photographer Will Be Nothing But Professional.  Plus The Shots As You Said Usually Come Out Amazing
Sep 08 05 12:38 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
The Body Painter Rich
Posts: 141
Sacramento, California, US


Good luck on your project.

I agree that most models I've talked to that have been bodypainted seem to enjoy the final result, but I've never heard it described as "an invasion" before.

One of these days I'd love to paint in NY, you guys have a really happening art scene there. And some great models in the area too!
Sep 08 05 04:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chili
Posts: 5,146
Brooklyn, New York, US


so let me get this straight? you apply the body paint and then you also shoot?

if i was a model, i'd be a little leary of that cuz usually its another professional body painter/artist doing that, and they're usually female.

im sort of from the school of "the First baseman Plays first", that is he doesnt pitch, coach third, manage, argues with umpire, or calls the pitches. if you want to paint, then paint, if you want to shoot then shoot, but generally its not a good idea to do both

and even when the guy has some body painter skills, he usuallly calls in a female friend to apply the paint. again, cuz for that shoot he is the photographer, and he's in the photog mindset, not the body painter mindset

but hey, if you can do both, and save a few bucks, and you can get some models to go along with that idea, then good for you
Sep 08 05 06:33 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
The Body Painter Rich
Posts: 141
Sacramento, California, US


Chili wrote:
and they're usually female.

Chili....I tend to agree with your post. Without judging the original poster, many "bodypainters" are photographers out to get their hands on the models.

But that part about usually female...well it's not quite right.

True Verushka and Joanne Gair are female but let me tell you the names of the current hottest artists that I've seen or heard of here in the U.S.

In no particular order
Pashur (male)
Mark Greenawalt (male)
LeRoy Roper (male)
Philippo Ioco (male)
DeWayne Flowers (male)
and myself

These are bodypainting specialists. There are other top notch bodypainters including Mary in SanDiego, a name I've forgotten in NYC, and many others. BUt if you look online, and in trade magazines you will probably see some of the names listed above.

Just wanting to clear the air. I do agree with the idea of your post though...you don't see me trying to make my own photos (unless I am documenting a "quicky" job and no photographer is available). I must say though that Mr. Roper, Mr. Ioco, Mr. FLowers and Ms. Gair are all known for doing their own photography as well.

Sep 08 05 10:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chili
Posts: 5,146
Brooklyn, New York, US


i havent done too many body painting shoots, but i had 2 points

point 1:  was you shouldnt try to do everything at the same time, you cant see the whole game stradegy if you're the quarterback, being a "player/manager" never seems to work

point 2: when you are dealing with more or less amateur models, (and if you are more or less an unknown amatuer painter, or at least to them an unknown painter) it generally makes them more comfortable (and more sense?)  if the person who is putting their hands all over them is another woman

now when ive shot a nude girl who was totally painted, i positioned her in front of  a piece of grafetti, and then the "artist" re-created the mural on her body, to almost give that illusion sort of like "the predator" coming out of the wall/mural, i just didnt think one person could have done/coordinated all of that properly

now obviously if you are just painting the girl one solid colour (like in goldfinger) then yeah, i suppose any jaboney can do that, just slap on one coat of paint, like a tom sawyer painting a fence
Sep 08 05 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nicholson Photography
Posts: 586
Columbus, Georgia, US


i think body painting is creepy in the first place. looks to gimmickie. dont see the point when you have photo shop now a days.
you throw that with being a photographer you just doubled your creep factor.
Sep 08 05 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
12082
Posts: 1,292
Los Angeles, California, US


no way! I would love to be painted.

Check out the Cheetah in JOSEPH G

Or nearly every episode of ANTM they do a shoot with body paint involved

And The Body Painter Rich, his caged beast is my favorite - you can't do that in Photo Shop and that does NOT look "gimmickie"

And my humble introduction was through : http://www.fleshandcolor.com/

I'd love to be done up, maybe a Cheetah? wink

But maybe it's to each their own - maybe it takes a model who's comfortable with their body, trusts the painter and photographer that it will be tastefully done, and a model who loves art and has an active imagination - and remembers what pretending was like as a child... I'm in!
Sep 08 05 12:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
The Body Painter Rich
Posts: 141
Sacramento, California, US


Sara...you know where to find me!

Nicholson...it can be creepy, and gimmickie but then so can almost any shoot with a photographer and a model. As far as photoshop goes...that is a laugh. I've yet to see anyone who can get the same effect and my clients for live events would disagree. It's like photoshopping regular makeup...sure it can be done, but why when you can hire a decent MUA?

Somethings many people don't realize:
-there is archeological evidence going back 400,000 years that is thought by historians to be evidence of makeup/bodypaint
-bodypainting has been practiced worldwide at some point or another in almost every culture
-bodypainting has been used ceremonially in birth, presentation of infants to communities, puberty, marriage, war, and death rites in many cultures world wide
-bodypainting as an artform has been gaining momentum and acceptance for the last 20 years

Some people may indeed be creeped out by it...I get creeped out by the whole "biomechanical" thing. But bodypainting is a growing trend. My main concern is that models and newbie "painters" learn the difference between safe and unsafe.
Sep 08 05 02:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Toya Michele
Posts: 76


I want to be bodypainted so bad! I am jealous that I'm not in NY or Cali.
I am in DC and can't find one (bodypainter).

Lucky models:(
Sep 08 05 02:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
12082
Posts: 1,292
Los Angeles, California, US


Rich you know I've sent you PMs tongue Lately I'm running across so many people I'd love to work with in SF so I may just make a trip up North smile

Toya - DC and NYC are 2 hours by train, if I was in DC, I'd be catching that train every chance I got!
Sep 08 05 03:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
00siris
Posts: 19,155
New York, New York, US


Wow
Thanks for all these different perspectives. Photoshop is the greatest image editor ever invented but believe it or not - it can;t do everything.

As far as doing the painting myself, I've learned that many times the notion that to get something done you have to it yourself often reigns true - not all the time but boy does it save money. Also there is a trust factor as well. I understand as well as anyone that here is a professional factor and and comfort factor ans everything like but believe or not one of the reasons i sometimes do it myself is because I can't get anyone whom I can trust to it. If I'm organizing this thing and i get a pervy painter (unbeknownst to me) I will the blame. I can;t afford to have my rep ruined. If the model is uncomfortable -we wont shoot -it's simple.

A good photographer must always respect limits.

Lastly very projects give me the such intriguing results a B Paint

/// TONY
Sep 08 05 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
AnthonyLarrisey
Posts: 23
New York, New York, US


cool to see so many different thoughts on bodypainting. 

in a nutshell...

i'm a bodypainter, and i take my own pics.  for me, it keeps one concept together thru the whole process.

professionalism is the bottom line--gender has never been an issue.  there are people that do things for the wrong reasons, but that's everywhere. 

yep, the models typically love the process.  i've had models leave shoots fully painted so they could go home and show their whoever...

anyway, you guys do great stuff.  glad i found MM.
Sep 08 05 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
The Body Painter Rich
Posts: 141
Sacramento, California, US


Wow...well look at that! I can add another name to those who know what the heck they are doing. Nice to meet you Anthony.

Oh..and I forgot to list Neoquark (Bryan) earlier!

~Rich
Sep 08 05 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
AnthonyLarrisey
Posts: 23
New York, New York, US


hey rich...nice to meet you too!

and here's one more to add to the list--very cool guy:  paintedalive.com
Sep 08 05 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
The Body Painter Rich
Posts: 141
Sacramento, California, US


Oh yeah...I forgot his name...wasn't he in New Orleans...or near there? Hope everything is all right with him.
Sep 08 05 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MikeyBoy
Posts: 633
Milltown, Wisconsin, US


Howdy Folks !

Dont forget Jim Brando of Gurnee, ill... an amazing artist and person i have worked with him many times and always came away with great results.... they can be viewed on my mm port here or my omp link here on mm

jim OMP # is 40336   or link    http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?P_ID=40336

Happy Holidays !

Mikey
Sep 09 05 11:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matt L Miller
Posts: 58
Southend-on-Sea, England, United Kingdom


Body painting is always popular with the models .. I have never had a shortage of volenteers ... and it does produce commercially viable images not to mention people do sit up and take notice of your work ... only MUA availability stops me from doing more
Just for the sake of comfort levels I rarely work bodypaint shoots with new models mainly due to prolonged nudity with a crew around
I only ever did my own bodypainting once and that was with a model that was a "very" close friend ...
I guess the only real tip is dont let the paintjob surpass the photography .. so many times I have seen wonderful designs spoiled by dull flat glamour lighting ... nothing works better on paint than diffused natural sunlight, a net curtain makes the best diffuser ...

good luck with the project shooting bodypaint is a passion of mine
Sep 09 05 05:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
ThePoser
Posts: 181
Holiday, Florida, US


I love the paint!! I have been the painter and the painted and I can understand how some people might get uncomfortable. However, I tend to agree that being the painter and the photog can be a very good idea when you have a picture in your head of what you are trying to create and have to leave such an important piece of it to someone else, well, I just agree that if you want it done right, do it yourself. At least for people who dont' have trusted photog/painter relationships with others who would qualify for what you are trying to accomplish.

I say go for it!

Kaire
Sep 09 05 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BPics at Home
Posts: 24
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I have done quite a few body painting sessions and in the end it just comes down to professionalism.  If you are painting someone of the opposite sex you make sure you have an assistant of the same sex to apply paint to the more "personal" areas or at least observe the session so there is no doubt that things are being done professionally.  There are always going to be creepy photogs out there- common sense and a chaperone should help you to avoid most of them!

Mike
Sep 09 05 11:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Maria T
Posts: 514
Lambertville, New Jersey, US


bEEN THERE ,DONE THAT..I WOULD LOVE TO DO BODYPAINTING AGAIN
Sep 09 05 11:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Sid
Posts: 92
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Toya Michele wrote:
I want to be bodypainted so bad! I am jealous that I'm not in NY or Cali.
I am in DC and can't find one (bodypainter).

Lucky models:(

HEY I DO BODY PAINTING, I DONT SHOOT- STRICTLY MAKE-UP....DC BASED HERE

Sep 11 05 04:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
jstill
Posts: 44
Martinsburg, West Virginia, US


A large majority of my work has paint, latex, powders or other coverings applied to the model. Good to see the others in this post, I have seen you work before, good job guys!
I apply the paints myself, never looked at it as a creep factor issue, just part of an artist process. But i would shot with an painter anytime, talk about lightening the work load!
Sep 11 05 06:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
montgomery photographic
Posts: 162
Sunnyvale, California, US


Can some one tell me what to use when bodypainting I've got the airbrush and brushes etc...  But is there a special media or watercolor?  I've done airbrushing for Motocycles ad various other things but dont want to do eurathane on models. I used greasepaint before but was basically permanant until it wore off...  Made some dancers quiet un-happy.
Any suggestions?
Sep 11 05 08:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
AnthonyLarrisey
Posts: 23
New York, New York, US


you should go to a pro or theatrical makeup shop.  online, you can go direct to mehron or kryolan.  temptu also has good stuff. 

get a water-based pigment [v. easy clean up].  brush vs airbrush is your preference of application tool.

[no go on the eurethane!!]

have fun with it...
Sep 11 05 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
montgomery photographic
Posts: 162
Sunnyvale, California, US


Cheers thanks.  what is mehron or krylon or tempu? and where do you get it?
thanks
Sep 11 05 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
AnthonyLarrisey
Posts: 23
New York, New York, US


right on. 

those are brands, the makeup shops are likely to carry them.  or you can go to

mehron.com
kryolan.com
temtu.com

enjoy.
Sep 11 05 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
montgomery photographic
Posts: 162
Sunnyvale, California, US


Cool, thanks
pdm
Sep 11 05 11:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
The Body Painter Rich
Posts: 141
Sacramento, California, US


Irish901 wrote:
If you are painting someone of the opposite sex you make sure you have an assistant of the same sex to apply paint to the more "personal" areas or at least observe the session so there is no doubt that things are being done professionally.  There are always going to be creepy photogs out there- common sense and a chaperone should help you to avoid most of them!

Mike

I personally can't imagine handing over any of the process to someone less trained than myself. Generally with bodypainting you don't NEED to paint the most "personal areas" unless your bodypainting photos consist of crotch shots it won't be an issue.

Oh and Mikey...I did forget Jim. I rarely see him on the BP newsgroups or bullboards so I left him off the list, but Jim rocks. There is also a guy up in Ontario with some real impressive comic book style stuff.


And Montgomery, ANthony is right on about product. Remember you are dealing with skin so makeup NOT paint is the rule.

~Rich

Sep 12 05 12:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Toya Michele
Posts: 76


Sara Green wrote:
Rich you know I've sent you PMs tongue Lately I'm running across so many people I'd love to work with in SF so I may just make a trip up North smile

Toya - DC and NYC are 2 hours by train, if I was in DC, I'd be catching that train every chance I got!

Sara-
TRUST me...if I didn't have kids, I would be! Not so easy when you are a single mother!

Sep 12 05 08:19 am  Link  Quote 
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