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Model
Ada A
Posts: 418
Toronto, Iowa, US


Hi there!

I was wondering if any stylists have any suggestions on how to create cleavage in a dress that does not allow for a bra.

I have a shoot in which I will be using such a dress (though I really wish to know such information for everyday use as well).

I will try to describe this dress as best as I can.
It is tight, halter-style, and very open in the front, side, and the back.
Therefore, I can't wear a bra with it, unless it is a backless bra (those stick on bras from La Vie En Rose and many other places I'm sure).
However, I can't connect the two pads in the middle to achieve cleavage a bra would make, as the dress it too open and it will show. If I don't connect the two pads, the flattening effect occurs.

The shoot is glamour-styled, so unlike many fashion shoots I have done, cleavage would be a nice addition.
I am in no way small (I have a 34C bust), however this dress just flattens my chest if I don't have it supported.

Wow, I'm sure there is a lot of information (a little too much) in here, but I would like some suggestions from anyone who has had to deal with this situation before.
I'm asking stylists, as I'm sure you have worked on such shoots, but also any models who know any good advice they can offer.

I have heard that taping works, however I really don't know how to go about it.
The biggest problem is that there is not much I can do from the front, as it will be seen due to the big open area of the dress.

Any advice is welcome! smile

Thanks in advance!

PS: I apologize in advance to those who thought this thread is about pictures of cleavages, bras, and perhaps even tape! smile
Jun 08 07 12:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kristine Kreations
Posts: 1,629
Davis, California, US


Hmmm... well, you have quite a problem there.  Would the photographer be able to airbrush?  Maybe you could get one with a clear clasp in the front.  The only way to get good cleavage is pulling them together. 

One way would be to try and buy those push up bra inserts (the biggest you can get lol) and those rubber stick on bras.  Put the inserts and the bra on with lots of duct tape.  Maybe the inserts will be enough to push in for the effect you want.

The way to tape:
You'll probably need a very, uh, close friend to help you.
Literally hold the bra and insert in the place you want while pushing towards the other side.  Take 2-3 inch pieces of tape and tape away!  Be sure to get plenty underneath so it doesn't slip, and you may even want to do a couple small circles of tape to hold the bra on.  Also get the sides really good so the bra stays where you want.  The last piece is a vertical strip long enough to go from under the breast all the way beyond the top- the "bra strap" if you will.  You'll probably want to curve it.  Start in the middle, go around towards the armpit, and pull up a bit and secure the end of the strip in the middle on the top.
Jun 08 07 02:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Amanda Ly
Posts: 93
Chicago, Illinois, US


my sister was a maid of honor and they installed a bra in the front of the dress for her.  Like the cups sewn right in
Jun 08 07 02:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photographer56
Posts: 96
Yakima, Washington, US


You can use a contour makeup on the breastbone to enhance the illusion of more cleavage.
Jun 08 07 02:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
XposurePhoto
Posts: 889
Houston, Texas, US


Well... tell me if I am wrong...but, is it a dress lke this one?

http://img8.modelmayhem.com/070608/02/4668f8e9bd437.jpg

If so... I am not completely sure, the model did not have that issue, but, been a halter I am sure you can use tape in the direction of the halter from your shoulder and the halter will cover it up...and coming from the neck area it will push them in a bit closer and up, but you can also do that and add some "bra tapes" to help keep the bottom shape nd help with the taping.

Hope it helps!

XP
Jun 08 07 02:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kent Johnson Photograph
Posts: 1,708
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


I have never tried it but I think you could at least make/gaffer some cups up to your boobs. Might not be much fun taking it off. Unless so inclined!!!
Jun 08 07 02:49 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Betsy - Plus Model
Posts: 1,130
North Oaks, Minnesota, US


Hmm.  I'm no pro by any means, but I've done some sewing and thought this might work.  Kinda random, but take a bra, cut off the straps, both shoulder and back, separate the cups and then sew them into the halter dress. Reattach said cups in the middle with a bit of clear fishingline.  Will be minimally noticeable.  Unless this is a very loose and unstructured halter, in which case sewing the bra in would be too noticeable.  More likely the case, but oh well.
Jun 08 07 02:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ada A
Posts: 418
Toronto, Iowa, US


Kristine Kreations wrote:
Hmmm... well, you have quite a problem there.  Would the photographer be able to airbrush?  Maybe you could get one with a clear clasp in the front.  The only way to get good cleavage is pulling them together.

The way to tape:
You'll probably need a very, uh, close friend to help you.
Literally hold the bra and insert in the place you want while pushing towards the other side.  Take 2-3 inch pieces of tape and tape away!  Be sure to get plenty underneath so it doesn't slip, and you may even want to do a couple small circles of tape to hold the bra on.  Also get the sides really good so the bra stays where you want.  The last piece is a vertical strip long enough to go from under the breast all the way beyond the top- the "bra strap" if you will.  You'll probably want to curve it.  Start in the middle, go around towards the armpit, and pull up a bit and secure the end of the strip in the middle on the top.

I think the airbrushing may not be an issue, since it could just be a clasp. The only thing is that it may interfere with this criss cross decoration thing that's in the same area. I think I may try the taping up technique...I think the poor MUA will be very excited to experiment with me! :S

XposurePhoto wrote:
Well... tell me if I am wrong...but, is it a dress lke this one?

http://img8.modelmayhem.com/070608/02/4668f8e9bd437.jpg

If so... I am not completely sure, the model did not have that issue, but, been a halter I am sure you can use tape in the direction of the halter from your shoulder and the halter will cover it up...and coming from the neck area it will push them in a bit closer and up, but you can also do that and add some "bra tapes" to help keep the bottom shape nd help with the taping.

Hope it helps!

XP

Thanks for your advice...The dress is not too similar, however it does have the same issue by being very open and low cut in the front. I think the difference is that this dress I plan on wearing has beads, so it's made of a little heavier material which is the causage of the flattenage! smile

Jun 08 07 02:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CYDEXIA
Posts: 232
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Ada A wrote:
...

Done this several times. Here are a few comments, you can use some together and some separately.

No photograph (unless shooting with you and your reflection in a mirror) shows your back and front at the same time. Various methods can push your breasts up for different shots and poses.

A. Tape each breast up under the dress (skin adhesive tape can easily hold up the mass of the breast) in vertical direction. You can literally tape from the nipple up, to bring the dress higher. This is harder to accomplish, but literally invisible, with no post production work.


B. Wear a tiny string bikini top (small fabric cups with no padding) - goes around the back of your neck. Shorten the string that connects the two cups in front and back for the pushed up cleavage look. All of this bikini will be covered up by the dress, except for the string connecting the two cups. This is minimal retouching to remove at post production in photoshop after the shoot. This is easy to accomplish, works with all shots, but needs some post production work for shots of front, my favorite solution.


C. Buy an underwired pushup bra that connects in the back by a rigid string holding the cups together. May be hard for you to find one (custumes and specialty), but very effective in giving the most cleavage, though needs some post production for shots of your back.


Also:

1. Proper lighting of a shot plays a role in how breasts look. I have made a model with smaller B cup to appear as a full C cup, even she was surprised once she saw the shots.

2. It's also a bit about choosing the best poses. Since the open dress has no effect in pushing up against your chest, the poses really matter in giving the breasts more emphasis.

Jun 08 07 03:01 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ada A
Posts: 418
Toronto, Iowa, US


Kent Johnson Photograph wrote:
I have never tried it but I think you could at least make/gaffer some cups up to your boobs. Might not be much fun taking it off. Unless so inclined!!!
Betsy G wrote:
Hmm.  I'm no pro by any means, but I've done some sewing and thought this might work.  Kinda random, but take a bra, cut off the straps, both shoulder and back, separate the cups and then sew them into the halter dress. Reattach said cups in the middle with a bit of clear fishingline.  Will be minimally noticeable.  Unless this is a very loose and unstructured halter, in which case sewing the bra in would be too noticeable.  More likely the case, but oh well.

Both of you provided very good advice! Thank you!
However, I already do have the backless bra pads which would give perfect support and definitely help with the shape when withing this flattening dress, however the only problem is that since they are not being held up by anything they don't have the perky effect that I am looking for. Nothing too out there, of course, I just want it to differentiate from fashions shoots that I have done before where cleavage was definitely not an issue...For variety in the port, you know! smile

Jun 08 07 03:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CYDEXIA
Posts: 232
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Ada A wrote:
Thanks for your advice...The dress is not too similar, however it does have the same issue by being very open and low cut in the front. I think the difference is that this dress I plan on wearing has beads, so it's made of a little heavier material which is the causage of the flattenage! smile

Beaded? You can easily tape up your breasts and vertically pull them up against the dress, without ruining the dress, connect the end of the vertical tape to the fabric or mesh that the beads sit on.

Jun 08 07 03:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
XposurePhoto
Posts: 889
Houston, Texas, US


hmmmm...you can also try heavy duty "Velcro" it actually does wonders.
Jun 08 07 03:08 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ada A
Posts: 418
Toronto, Iowa, US


Thanks for all the advice guys...I think the tape will play a major role in this! We'll see what happens...Or I may just go for the post production editing option, depending on the photographer and MUA's ideas as well. Either way, I'm sure it will turn out fine!
I did want to know this for my own benefit though as most of my wardrobe is complicated in such crazy ways! Thanks again! Have a great night! smile
Jun 08 07 03:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dmiphoto
Posts: 120
Los Angeles, California, US


Ada A wrote:
PS: I apologize in advance to those who thought this thread is about pictures of cleavages, bras, and perhaps even tape! smile

Haha... when I saw the subject... all I could think of was "yes please!"

Seriously though, a lot of the comments here regarding tape or make-up are right on and totally possible, but I have always had the best results in post.

I've seen countless arguments about the "fraudulent" nature of such post work, as if enhancing with tape or make-up is any different.

But I can tell you that almost every major outdoor ad or magazine shot that you see has been HEAVILY modified in post production.

What I mean is... do the whole shoot wearing the push-up-en'est bra you can find and then edit it out later.  It'll look incredible... promise. wink

-D

Jun 08 07 03:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
XposurePhoto
Posts: 889
Houston, Texas, US


well...if all fails...shoot upside down!  smile
Jun 08 07 03:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ada A
Posts: 418
Toronto, Iowa, US


dmiphoto wrote:
Haha... when I saw the subject... all I could think of was "yes please!"

Seriously though, a lot of the comments here regarding tape or make-up are right on and totally possible, but I have always had the best results in post.

I've seen countless arguments about the "fraudulent" nature of such post work, as if enhancing with tape or make-up is any different.

But I can tell you that almost every major outdoor ad or magazine shot that you see has been HEAVILY modified in post production.

Photoshop can work some serious miracles. smile

-D

That's true...I am definitely not worried about the photographer's capabilities in post-production, so that is certainly an option. Either way, I am not aiming to go overboard at all, just literally have a lift of my natural size of chest as I would if I was able to wear a normal bra, so I think in the end it will all work out fine. Hopefully, I'll have some pictures to show off so maybe this thread won't be a total disappointment for you and it will live up to its name! smile Though, I do plan to have mostly pictures of the tape...Sorry!

XposurePhoto wrote:
well...if all fails...shoot upside down!  smile

Haha! I will remember that! Maybe it will give me some ideas for cool poses! smile

Jun 08 07 03:20 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
MP Make-up Artistry
Posts: 5,105
Prince George, British Columbia, Canada


Ada, get some of those "stickumms" bra that adhear to your skin, to apply them to get the most cleavage, simple bend forward, apply and pull upwads,apply these right before you shoot, thus gravity will have less time to interfear with your umm "perkeyness"  The way to get these stickums to actually work really well is to get them into place in the 1st shot, if you try to peel and re-apply the chances of them stiking well are slim to non.
Good luck..
Jun 09 07 03:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Lila Lavender
Posts: 190
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


I've used duct tape for years...I promise it's not as scary as it seems and it holds my chest up(34D).

You could spend a fortune buying all those fancy backless, sticky bras when really duct tape does the job for so much cheaper and much better.
Jun 13 07 01:26 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Hugo06
Posts: 22
Dallas, Texas, US


Ex Drag Queen advice, duct tape is your best friend.   Pull them together, tape them at end of the each brest and hold them together. Use at least 3 strips.   You will have the bestest breast in the universe.   After the taping, use bronzer and highliter on the actual brest to make them look like they were 20K.  Removing the duct tape is another issue.

** pointer**** oil the tape once you are done with the shoot, than pull it slowly.

You could have another shoot after your tape is gone and you are all oiled up... wink wink.
Jun 15 07 02:53 am  Link  Quote 
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