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Kaitlin Lara wrote: Fight picker!!! ;-) Aug 18 07 10:56 pm Link Pat Thielen wrote: i stand corrected.. Aug 18 07 11:08 pm Link I've never photographed a shaved model. Natural seems, well...natural, to me. Actually, I had the opportunity to photograph Shandra herself recently. She was beautiful (Hi Shandra) and fun to work with. I'm not sure that was a meaningful contribution to this thread. I guess I just wanted to give Shandra a plug. Colin Aug 19 07 12:12 am Link Colin Talcroft wrote: amen plug away..she is too far to work with but i can imagine to collaborate with her is magic. Aug 19 07 12:16 am Link By the way, I don't think the models in the paintings you mention were actually shaved and then painted as in life. Almost certainly they were hairy but painted AS IF there were no hair (which is something rather different) because that was long considered more decorous. As for exactly when painters began to feel it was OK to depict hair naturally, I can't say for sure. I can give a few examples, though. Titian's "Venus and Cupid" from around 1550 shows hair, as does Goya's famous "The Naked Maja," which dates from about 1800. Gauguin showed it and Modigliani showed it, both about 100 years later than Goya. By then, it was probably pretty acceptable. Any art historians here that can tell us the history of hair in nude paintings? Interesting topic. It may be common earlier than we think. Colin Aug 19 07 12:29 am Link Colin Talcroft wrote: i was thinking the same thing.. on asking an art historian...was just looking at my Goya book and the painting of the Maja...in my version its on a double page spread Aug 19 07 12:40 am Link Kaitlin Lara wrote: Wow, I don't know why you are jocking me over something that you 'claim' to think that you know. Is it really that big of a deal? Lol. I mean really, you are the one sweating me and getting all emotional. And if you had some common sense, you would have taken what I had addressed that may be, just may be the man is telling the truth, and I need to stop jocking him and get a grip because it's only the internet. And may be the man actually knows the woman. Aug 19 07 12:56 am Link ugh Aug 19 07 12:58 am Link Shandra knows that she is on my list when she returns to the city. One of the best nude models that I've seen on MM. Aug 19 07 01:11 am Link Here is the Wikipedia entry (somewhat truncated) on the subject. It seems that the turning point was the 16th century in many cultures.... "In ancient Egyptian art, female pubic hair is straightforwardly indicated in the form of painted black triangles. In classical European art, it was very rarely depicted, and male pubic hair was often, but not always, omitted. Sometimes it was portrayed in stylized form. The same was true in much Indian art, and in other Eastern portrayals of the nude. In 16th century southern Europe Michelangelo felt able to show the male David with stylized pubic hair, but female bodies remained hairless below the head. Nevertheless, Michelangeloâs male nudes on the Sistine chapel ceiling display no pubic hair. In renaissance northern Europe, pubic hair was more likely to be portrayed than in the south, more usually male, but occasionally female. "By the 17th century, suggestions of female pubic hair appear in pornographic engravings, such as those by Agostino Carracci. By the late 18th century female pubic hair is openly portrayed in Japanese shunga (erotica), especially in the ukiyo-e tradition. Hokusai's picture The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife, depicting a woman having an erotic fantasy, is a well-known example. Despite this Fine art paintings and sculpture created before the 20th century in the Western tradition usually depicted women without pubic hair or a visible vulva....Michelangelo's David shows pubic hair. "Francisco Goya's The Nude Maja has been considered as probably the first European painting to show woman's pubic hair, though others had hinted at it. (Lucas Cranach's 'The Nymph of the Spring' c.1537, Washington National Gallery, has distinct pubic hair.) The painting was considered quite pornographic at the time. "Gustave Courbet's LâOrigine du monde (The Origin of the World, 1866), was considered scandalous because it showed the exposed female genitals in their totality with thick hair. "Examples of male pubic hair in contemporary art are harder to find. "In Japanese drawings pubic hair is often---such as in hentai---omitted, since for a long time the display of pubic hair was not legal. The interpretation of the law has since changed. "Ironically, it is also in Japan where pubic hair is seen as something highly attractive. However, in many Middle Eastern and eastern European cultures, pubic hair is considered unclean, and for matters of both religion and/or good hygiene, women in those cultures have removed their pubic hair for centuries. Some examples of regions where this is typical are ancient Persia, Turkey, Albania and ethnic-Albanian portions of Kosovo, and in many other cultures throughout the Mediterranean." Aug 19 07 02:39 am Link Legacys 7 wrote: You're right...I really should stop getting so emotional about this. My family's going to think there's something wrong with me if I don't stop bursting out into random spouts of riotous laughter. Aug 19 07 08:21 am Link Arm pits and legs I always shave...I normally shave the cha-cha too...but for my artistic shoots...whatever the photographer wants (hair wise) I'll do it. Aug 19 07 08:29 am Link Gennavive Leigh wrote: I have to agree with this for the most part. Aug 19 07 08:37 am Link I didn't mean to hijack Shandra's thread, but I was hoping someone could find an earlier example in European painting. Aug 19 07 01:58 pm Link I'm growing my leg, arm pit and public hair out totally for a shoot in September! I sometimes leave my under arm hair in the winter as my current boyfriend doesn't mind at all so it's nice for my skin to have a break from the constant shaving. I don't find anything unsexy about a woman with underarm hair. Aug 19 07 02:06 pm Link Shandra wrote: Aug 19 07 02:11 pm Link It's mostly seen on models who do a lot of work with artists, many of which prefer the totally natural look. I prefer a model to be that way too, it gives photos a more realistic appearance. There are a number of photos in my MM portfolio of a mature mid-50's artists model who rarely shaves anywhere, in some of them her totally natural growth of armpit, leg, and pubic hair are quite obvious. In the event she gets an assignment with an artist or photographer who prefers her to shave, she will, but that's usually the only time she does. Here's one example which is 18+: https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=1887776 Aug 19 07 02:11 pm Link Kaitlin Lara wrote: Sounds like they are ready to put you in one those white rooms with no windows. Btw, Wynd doesn't need you to co-sign for here. What else do I know about her. Hmmmm let's see. She's also from your neck of the woods. And just happens to live in my area too. Another hint and clue that you need to get. I'll holler at her after she's finished with her long vacation. I need to see if she ever finished that web capture on her buddy. Aug 19 07 03:58 pm Link Sorry sexy Shandra for the hijack. Aug 19 07 03:59 pm Link Timothy Hughes wrote: I've worked with Vibes! Duh, silly me!!!!! Aug 19 07 04:00 pm Link dcsmooth wrote: Very beautiful...thank you for sharing! Aug 19 07 04:02 pm Link Colin Talcroft wrote: Colin, dear...your post was completely valid, and very much appreciated! Aug 19 07 04:04 pm Link Colin Talcroft wrote: *Waves hello* Aug 19 07 04:08 pm Link Timothy Hughes wrote: Vibes rocks. Love, love, love her! Aug 19 07 04:08 pm Link Skydancer II wrote: MEeeeeeeeeee tooooooo!!! Aug 19 07 04:10 pm Link Shandra wrote: I think it would be interesting to find a few hirsute models for urban-glamour work. The look in the real world is coming back or never really went away. Armpit hair and a jungle-bush in the pubic region would create some unique shots not only with nudes but bikini and lingerie images as well. Aug 19 07 04:18 pm Link Colin Talcroft wrote: i have also been looking for earlier examples ,oh and i will have to go to a gallery to see Goya's painting because my book shows different..going earlier back to El Greco, i noticed his are all shaved..just been looking at some of Dali's images and in some they are shaved but the majority , including his images of men depict hair.Having spent time in Japan , i remember looking at old paintings and seeing hair depicted..and i also once dated a muslim woman who did shave..and i was very surprised..then a friend told me that was not always the case and it depended..on the person. Aug 19 07 04:21 pm Link Snowmonkey Design wrote: This is turning into a very amazing discussion! Aug 19 07 04:28 pm Link Lacey Field, San Francisco  Aug 19 07 04:29 pm Link Shandra wrote: hiya Shandra, ( sorry was grabbing something to eat)..yes it is and i must confess i had not really thought about it in terms of paintings and automatically assumed i'd seen the paintings depicting hair...its not the first thing i normally am paying attention to. i love all art so i agree too it is interesting how this topic which you started has panned out, excuse the pun. Aug 19 07 05:00 pm Link Snowmonkey Design wrote: I believe he lived there for twenty years. Aug 19 07 05:06 pm Link Legacys 7 wrote: Dude...I haven't been up your ass about this since my second statement...why are you still acting like I'm attacking you? What's with the persecution complex? All I said was "Was that necessary?" I never even suggested once that you don't know her...I never argued when you said you did, and yet you still are freaking out about it trying to defend yourself when I haven't even been attacking you in the slightest. Why are you trying to prove you know her when I never once said you didn't? What exactly don't I get? That you know her? Never said you didn't. Aug 19 07 07:06 pm Link As the subject of Japanese prints came up, I can note that these almost always did depict hair naturally. The oldest erotic prints that I've seen are from around the 1780s. There are probably older ones. I wonder if the erotic sculptures of India show hair? Anyone know? Some of those must be quite old. So far, I guess the stylized Egyptian depictions mentioned above are the oldest, with Titian's painting of 1550 being among the earliest European depictions. Aug 19 07 09:43 pm Link Kaitlin Lara wrote: And yet another Dear Abbey crying. You haven't been arguing with me? Dude, you have been on my jock about this from the first to your latest post. Stevie Wonder can see that. Ehhh no freaking out here, just showing how stupid that you continue to act on this topic. Aug 19 07 10:01 pm Link I have been wishing for an attractive model with underarm hair for a long time. It has a certain natural erotism to it. Aug 19 07 10:02 pm Link Kaitlin Lara wrote: Do you think you two could, perhaps, PRIVATELY message each other about this shit? Aug 20 07 01:06 am Link Legacys 7 wrote: Lol...have a great night. I'm in too fan-fucking-tastic a mood to bother with this petty crap anymore...which is surprising considering the fact that I just kind of got dumped for another girl Aug 20 07 01:19 am Link Shandra wrote: The French basically don't shave; nor do they, on the average, use deodorant. Aug 20 07 01:50 am Link RAW-R IMAGE wrote: actually many use it ales say they use a great deal and a great deal of perfume Jun 08 08 01:24 am Link The wonderful Raelyn Mouse 18+ https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=7054548 And you know, it's wonderful to see models who can own that, and are comfortable with it. Jun 08 08 01:26 am Link |
..and i just checked a book of pre-raphaelite images..the ones showing full nudity all shaven..don't know why i took it for granted they would be natural...seems bizarre..i also just checked an image of goya's and el greco's and again both shaved..i find it very surprising..anyway i hope you are right and the natural look returns.
