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Dumas Photography
Posts: 869
Allen, Texas, US


Maddison Gabriel is 13 years old and already on the Catwalk, it's a bit ironic being that there are so many "adult women" even on Model Mayhem who will never have this opportunity, yet the fashion industry is using little children to model clothing for women with adult bodies...

WOW
Sep 21 07 05:28 am  Link  Quote 
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,309
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


they dont want 13 year olds that look 13..
they 13 year olds that look 20...

this girl could pull off a 20 year old look for probably 10 years.

thats not a bad investment in a model......
Sep 21 07 08:35 am  Link  Quote 
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MsHeidi
Posts: 2,081
Jessheim, Akershus, Norway


"Good" for them. I do not agree that this is  a proper age to start modeling, espesially runway, the preshure there is unbeleivable and the kids (jupp that's what they are) haven't hit puberty yet and when they do..well that's sometimes it!

People do what they want, but in my mind kids got nothing to do in the fashion bussniss..
Sep 21 07 08:55 am  Link  Quote 
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STEPHANIE COMMERCIAL
Posts: 120
Tampa, Florida, US


Doug Swinskey wrote:
they dont want 13 year olds that look 13..
they 13 year olds that look 20...

this girl could pull off a 20 year old look for probably 10 years.

thats not a bad investment in a model......

Yeah, but by the time these 13 yr olds are 20, many of them look 30.

Sep 21 07 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
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----ten----
Posts: 1,156


uuuum...this is not anything new
Sep 21 07 09:31 am  Link  Quote 
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,309
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


INVINCIBLE wrote:
Yeah, but by the time these 13 yr olds are 20, many of them look 30.

many?...i think your statement is inaccurate..maybe an example?

Sep 21 07 10:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Fred Brown Photo
Posts: 1,279
Chicago, Illinois, US


It's nothing new. Although Naomi and Kate Moss both started when they were a bit older, 15. Both look great even today an are still picking up new clients.
Sep 21 07 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Eaton Studios
Posts: 743
Summerville, South Carolina, US


oh....................runway, not runaway
Sep 21 07 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
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Ariel Danielle
Posts: 1,389
Austin, Texas, US


Funny, I was JUST about to post something about this when I read the Today article linked on MSN.

Today.MSNBC.MSN.com wrote:
Janice Dickinson was the world’s first supermodel, and she doesn’t care how adult and graceful Australian model Maddison Gabriel looks on a fashion runway. At barely 13 years of age, she’s just too young, Dickinson said.

“There’s lots of drugs, there’s lots of alcohol, there’s lots of photographers preying on these girls,” Dickinson said Tuesday on TODAY. “Thirteen is way too young.”

Maddison turned 13 on Sunday; she was still 12 when she was chosen as the “face” and official ambassador of the Gold Coast Fashion Week in Australia. At 5 feet 7 inches, the blue-eyed girl has the looks and the moves to model clothing — some of it provocative — designed for women two and three times her age.

“It doesn’t matter about the age,” she says with adolescent insouciance. “It matters that you can do the job. I can fit into women’s clothes. I can model women’s clothes, so I should be able to do it.”

“Well, there’s babies on TV, isn’t there, doing commercials,” says her mother, Michelle Gabriel, who has been wildly criticized in Australia for allowing her daughter to start modeling at such a young age. “You tell me. What is too young?”
TODAY
Maddison Gabriel
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The Gabriels were in London when they made those statements recently. Maddison can not work as a fashion model in Europe, though; the age limit for runway work there is 16.

And Dickinson said that she will not allow any girls under 18 to model for her agency.

“I have about 32 girls who are dying to break that 18-year-old mark,” she told TODAY co-host Matt Lauer. “Get your high school diploma and then come and see me.”

Dickinson knows what she’s talking about. Born in 1955 in Brooklyn to parents she’s described as dysfunctional at best, she went to Europe to become a model in the 1970s and catapulted to stardom.

She also leaped into the world of Studio 54, alcohol, drugs and indiscriminate sex, once telling Howard Stern that she had slept with at least 1,000 men.

Dickinson, who still looks spectacular at 52, is sober now, the owner of her own modeling agency and a judge on “America’s Next Top Model.” She also appears on “The Surreal Life.”

Dickinson has a 13-year-old daughter, who, she told Lauer, is not going to be on a catwalk.

“I started way too young,” she said, and so do too many other young women who end up with personal problems as big as their fame.

“Look at Kate Moss — problems with the law and drug abuse. Look at Naomi Campbell,” Dickinson said, ticking off a list of lives gone wrong in the glamorous and often sordid world of modeling. “These girls have unresolved problems because their parents abandoned them.”

Lauer noted that modeling is a young woman’s job, and many models are already washed up by the age of 25, so why not start young and get a leg up on the competition?

“Cindy Crawford is still modeling well into her 40s,” Dickinson said, admitting that Crawford is a rare exception who has defied the rules of the game. But, she said, “There can be other exceptions.”

‘Way too young’
The bottom line, she repeated, is that her own experience has taught her that the business is too brutal for kids. “I’m the world’s first supermodel, and it’s too young. It’s way too young.”

She blamed Michelle Gabriel for pushing her daughter into the business.

“Maddison’s mom is a stage mom, just like Britney’s mom,” she said, alluding to the troubled pop star, Britney Spears. “Look at Britney now, she can’t kee
Sep 21 07 11:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Ariel Danielle
Posts: 1,389
Austin, Texas, US


I agree with a lot of what Janice Dickinson said, but aside from the whole 'It's a tough business' thing, she's a beautiful young lady who has more potential than 50 of me.
Sep 21 07 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Daniela Victoria
Posts: 25,108
Cranford, New Jersey, US


Dumas Photography wrote:
Maddison Gabriel is 13 years old and already on the Catwalk, it's a bit ironic being that there are so many "adult women" even on Model Mayhem who will never have this opportunity, yet the fashion industry is using little children to model clothing for women with adult bodies...

WOW

That depends how you define an adult body.

I'm guessing you think an adult woman is a woman with curves.

In that case, adult fashion models look like children.

Which is not true. They just are built differently.

Sep 21 07 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Emeritus
Posts: 21,947
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Models do mainstream commercial modeling at all ages, from babies to children to teens to adults to seniors.  That has always been true, and remains true.

What is there about a model being on a runway that incites all this negative reaction?
Sep 21 07 11:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Viktoria
Posts: 9,795
Bethpage, New York, US


TXPhotog wrote:
Models do mainstream commercial modeling at all ages, from babies to children to teens to adults to seniors.  That has always been true, and remains true.

What is there about a model being on a runway that incites all this negative reaction?

because they are meant to look much older. i also started when i was 13.

Sep 21 07 11:46 am  Link  Quote 
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John Pringle
Posts: 1,608
New York, New York, US


http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5656932,00.jpg

She has parental consent, so...what is the fuss...
Sep 21 07 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Emeritus
Posts: 21,947
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Mrs Zoolander wrote:
because they are meant to look much older. i also started when i was 13.

Agreed.

So what to do with that fact?

Let me put this in context.   I have been to a lot of model searches and conventions where 12 and 13 year old girls were competing for agency attention.  All by themselves, at 5'11" tall, they looked a lot older than that.  Sometimes unbelievably so - it would be hard for anyone who didn't know to place them within five years of their real age.

That wasn't done by the fashion industry, or by anyone else.  It's just how they looked at that age.

Why should they not be allowed to place themselves on the mainstream modeling market?  Or, if they are allowed, why not runway?

Sep 21 07 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Viktoria
Posts: 9,795
Bethpage, New York, US


TXPhotog wrote:

Agreed.

So what to do with that fact?

Let me put this in context.   I have been to a lot of model searches and conventions where 12 and 13 year old girls were competing for agency attention.  All by themselves, at 5'11" tall, they looked a lot older than that.  Sometimes unbelievably so - it would be hard for anyone who didn't know to place them within five years of their real age.

That wasn't done by the fashion industry, or by anyone else.  It's just how they looked at that age.

Why should they not be allowed to place themselves on the mainstream modeling market?  Or, if they are allowed, why not runway?

oh, i agree with you. at 13 i looked 20.  one of these days i'll scan some of the pics in that i did at 13 and put them up.  i used to get into clubs at 14 without anybody checking my id.  so i took advantage of that and worked all i could.  people simply find it disturbing that someone so young has to grow up fast.  what they don't get is that you grow up fast because of the way you look already, you might as well benefit from it.

Sep 21 07 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
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foxfire images
Posts: 977
Northfield, Vermont, US


MsHeidi wrote:
"Good" for them. I do not agree that this is  a proper age to start modeling, espesially runway, the preshure there is unbeleivable and the kids (jupp that's what they are) haven't hit puberty yet and when they do..well that's sometimes it!

People do what they want, but in my mind kids got nothing to do in the fashion bussniss..

hmmm pls take head out of sand

Sep 21 07 11:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Brian31
Posts: 64


Just one human in this Vast universe (47 billion light years). Get over it.
Sep 21 07 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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jade83
Posts: 2,253
Columbia, Missouri, US


HOW ...are there full-height girls at age 13?! I grew like a weed and was always tallest in my dance classes, but when I was 13, I was a scrawny 5'6!! If the remarks about "anyone older than 20 looks 30-40" is directed toward any genre other than high fashion, I'm a little insulted...and curious as to if I could apply to commercial print divisions and say I'm 35.
Sep 21 07 10:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Blue Sky Above
Posts: 172


jade83 wrote:
HOW ...are there full-height girls at age 13?! I grew like a weed and was always tallest in my dance classes, but when I was 13, I was a scrawny 5'6!! If the remarks about "anyone older than 20 looks 30-40" is directed toward any genre other than high fashion, I'm a little insulted...and curious as to if I could apply to commercial print divisions and say I'm 35.

She's only 5'7.

Sep 21 07 10:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,309
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


jade83 wrote:
HOW ...are there full-height girls at age 13?! I grew like a weed and was always tallest in my dance classes, but when I was 13, I was a scrawny 5'6!! If the remarks about "anyone older than 20 looks 30-40" is directed toward any genre other than high fashion, I'm a little insulted...and curious as to if I could apply to commercial print divisions and say I'm 35.

katarina, the redhead seen in my gallery, of my website:
www.swinskey-photographic-art.com
i first shot her when she was 13 years old, she  was 5'11" then...

she has been in teen vogue, seventeen and several other national pubs and campaigns..

Sep 21 07 10:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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le provocateur
Posts: 5,506
Miami, Florida, US


INVINCIBLE wrote:

Yeah, but by the time these 13 yr olds are 20, many of them look 30.

they do?

I know an ex-Wilhelmina model who is 40 and doesn't look a day over 30. she could even pass for late 20's on a good day.

Sep 21 07 10:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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niuyf
Posts: 360
New York, New York, US


I agree with Doug and TX... turn on the television or go out to the movies. A girl twelve or thirteen looking like that is going to draw attention, no matter what she's doing with her life. If she's going to get into trouble, I suspect it's probably already part of her nature.

At least working in this business, she may also develope a bit of savvy and business sense along the way... Some of the girls living in the model house I'm at now are pretty young. That's one of the reasons we've got an early curfew and tight rein on our activities.
Sep 22 07 02:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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-Terrace-
Pen0r the Destroyer
Posts: 1,322
Knoxville, Tennessee, US


I understand that it is an industry norm, but either way- kids should be kids. They deserve a chance to learn and grow mentally before they are thrust into that type of lifestyle.
  Some parents just can't let go of there "downfalls" and want to live vicariously through their children. *see brittany spears comment previously mentioned*

anyhoo..just my 2 cents.

~T
Sep 22 07 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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LaViolette
Posts: 9,865
Hollywood, Florida, US


Tenley  wrote:
uuuum...this is not anything new

Yeah most of the high fashion & runway models typically get started out at about 13-14 (from what I've heard anyway).

Sep 22 07 04:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shon D.- Femme
Posts: 24,356
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


Tenley  wrote:
uuuum...this is not anything new

exactly

Sep 22 07 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Emeritus
Posts: 21,947
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Terrace wrote:
I understand that it is an industry norm, but either way- kids should be kids. They deserve a chance to learn and grow mentally before they are thrust into that type of lifestyle.

So what is it you are opposed to?  Should child models be allowed to do commercial and catalog work?  If not, why not?

If so, why should they not be allowed to do runway work?

I keep asking this question, and all the "she shouldn't be allowed" types never seem to have an answer.

Sep 22 07 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marc Rosebeck
Posts: 2,281
Albany, New York, US


Terrace wrote:
I understand that it is an industry norm, but either way- kids should be kids. They deserve a chance to learn and grow mentally before they are thrust into that type of lifestyle.
  Some parents just can't let go of there "downfalls" and want to live vicariously through their children. *see brittany spears comment previously mentioned*

anyhoo..just my 2 cents.

~T

If it was you that was enjoying this kind of success, would your
opinion be different ? Thinking the tune would be different..

Sep 24 07 09:18 am  Link  Quote 
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JimGL
Posts: 1,134
New York, New York, US


For me, more importantly, is whether she has the looks to carry off any kind of true modeling career.  I personally don't believe she is that special or beautfiul.  She is a very attractive young girl, but certainly no Naomi or Kate or Giselle.
Sep 24 07 09:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Lesley Alexandra
Posts: 364


Good for her.  That's very impressive.  13 years old....ahh the days when you could eat anything you wanted and still had no hips becuase puberty hadn't even hit lol.
Sep 24 07 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
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io
Posts: 2,353
New York, New York, US


jade83 wrote:
HOW ...are there full-height girls at age 13?! I grew like a weed and was always tallest in my dance classes, but when I was 13, I was a scrawny 5'6!! If the remarks about "anyone older than 20 looks 30-40" is directed toward any genre other than high fashion, I'm a little insulted...and curious as to if I could apply to commercial print divisions and say I'm 35.

At 11 years old I was 5'5" and by far the tallest in my class. By 12 I also had c-cup breasts and 35" hips to match. I even did some testing for an agency back then, they were quite interested to see if I'd get taller.

That said, I stalled at that height and only got wider, lucky me, lol.

Sep 24 07 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cheshire-Kat
Posts: 9,736
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


io wrote:

At 11 years old I was 5'5" and by far the tallest in my class. By 12 I also had c-cup breasts and 35" hips to match. I even did some testing for an agency back then, they were quite interested to see if I'd get taller.

That said, I stalled at that height and only got wider, lucky me, lol.

man...c cup at 12?
I didn't even start wearing a bra til I got to middle school....and only then cause my friends picked on me for not wearing one. I still don't even need one

Sep 24 07 03:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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uysdf
Posts: 2,934
Hickory, Mississippi, US


she is too young, let her be a child!!!! or she'll end up like kate moss somkin crack
Sep 24 07 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Special Ed
Posts: 3,545
Waldwick, New Jersey, US


Kimberly R Walker wrote:
she is too young, let her be a child!!!! or she'll end up like kate moss somkin crack

Is this true for the child and teen models doing catalog ??? does the same thought apply to the actors doing tv/movies as well???

If so, who would show these clothes/products?  And who would the kids watch on tv that they can relate to???

Sep 24 07 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marc Rosebeck
Posts: 2,281
Albany, New York, US


Kimberly R Walker wrote:
she is too young, let her be a child!!!! or she'll end up like kate moss somkin crack

Hopes your kidding

Sep 24 07 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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c_d_s
Posts: 7,771
Lubbock, Texas, US


Good for her. I hope she makes a lot of money and all her dreams come true.
Sep 24 07 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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dgold
Posts: 10,116
North Smithfield, Rhode Island, US


...and why the hell not ?
Sep 24 07 04:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ryleigh
Posts: 223
Manchester, New Hampshire, US


Just Ariel wrote:
I agree with a lot of what Janice Dickinson said, but aside from the whole 'It's a tough business' thing, she's a beautiful young lady who has more potential than 50 of me.

Girl you are gorgeous what are you talking about it's all about getting your face out there and networking you still have plenty of time and a lot of potential.

Sep 24 07 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Melusine
Posts: 574
Ocean Grove, New Jersey, US


a 13 should not be allowed to model adult clothing. when she is on the runway she will not be holding a sign which reads "I am the 13 year old" She is supposed to look like the rest of the adults.
What I am getting at is...there are so many ridiculous standards that woman have to meet to be accepted by other and themselves... and its created a very disturbing world of eating disorders along with other self image based problems.
I think allowing this girl to model adult clothing just makes matters worse.
What does it say about the designers when they tell this girl. "You are perfect stick figure to model my next line this season". Now that we can't get girls with a bmi under 18, we have to resort to children to to help set the standard for what perfect is! What does it say about today's view about beauty? How scewed is that! A 13-year old body is the standard...great! Get ready for more bulimia and anorexia!
This whole thing is absurd! Ridiculous! Her mom needs to get past this shit!
she is making things worse!
Sep 24 07 04:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jessie-Lynne
Posts: 1,857
Chicago, Illinois, US


If this is this girls passion then let it be.. Why is her life anyone elses worry or concern?
Sep 24 07 05:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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