Forums > Model Colloquy > Disabled models, what do you think of this?

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

I've worked with disabled models, and would do it again, but you have to be aware that your disability will limit you moreso in modeling than in other fields, especially if it affects your physical appearance.

The ADA doesn't apply in modeling.  It's a looks-based business and many will not choose to work with you based on your looks.  Agency and commercial work is not something you should expect, either.

Complaining about the fairness of these circumstances is only likely to make those who MIGHT work with you less likely to do so because they'll expect you to be bitter & have an attitude, and no one wants to deal with that.

Oct 06 08 01:02 am Link

Model

Amber Dawn - Indiana

Posts: 6255

Salem, Indiana, US

I'd say as long as you can move around and strike a pose then yes you can model. I say the same pose over and over is not good. Gotta be able to have something unique about your pictures other then your disability.

Oct 06 08 01:03 am Link

Clothing Designer

nothing

Posts: 9229

Okinawa, Okinawa, Japan

SLE Photography wrote:
I've worked with disabled models, and would do it again, but you have to be aware that your disability will limit you moreso in modeling than in other fields, especially if it affects your physical appearance.

The ADA doesn't apply in modeling.  It's a looks-based business and many will not choose to work with you based on your looks.  Agency and commercial work is not something you should expect, either.

Complaining about the fairness of these circumstances is only likely to make those who MIGHT work with you less likely to do so because they'll expect you to be bitter & have an attitude, and no one wants to deal with that.

tongue

Oct 06 08 01:15 am Link

Photographer

Jack the Calico

Posts: 1294

Miami, Florida, US

Modeling is based on looks and looks are made with what nature gave you plus what you can do with it.  If "you are not able" to do what an image require you are disabled. Being deaf, blind, dumb or being on a wheelchair may affect your modeling but is not a modeling dissability per se.

The thing is that everyone find their own niche. Let's say that I: a 45y.o.,  bit overweight  male try to be a bikini model. Do I have the right to do it? Yes. Do I have a shot? Sure, most likely as a drag queen but not at Sports Illustrated. I can say this is unfair but fairness has nothing to do with what the public want to see when they open the SI issue.

It takes guts to be on a wheelchair and model but it also takes guts to accept that the opportunities will be only a few.

Oct 06 08 01:38 am Link

Photographer

nathan combs

Posts: 3687

Waynesboro, Virginia, US

disabled model, i see no disputably i see people smile

Oct 06 08 01:45 am Link

Photographer

Stereoblind

Posts: 663

Vancouver, Washington, US

Can't search MM by disability yet. sad

I've had to put models IN a wheelchair because I can't find any who already have their own to shoot in.

EDIT: No models were injured just to get them in the wheelchair!

Oct 06 08 04:36 am Link

Photographer

Steal Your Ghost

Posts: 447

Los Angeles, California, US

Mia Salen wrote:
I hate to be a debbie downer, but it's got to be said. don't let your disability stop you from modelling, but as I would say to any short, chubby, or any other model asking the same question, don't count on modeling to be a full time career. I've had to face the music since I'm a short model. basically, enjoy modeling, but have a "real" job, it's what I do.

Don't forget oversized models, hand models, foot models and such.  ;p

Oct 06 08 04:52 am Link

Retoucher

Meghan Anne Gerhart

Posts: 72

Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada

I signed up here as a "photoshop wizard" but I also do some modeling and photography. I have both mental and physical disabilities and, whenever I got a "real" modeling offer, it would break my heart to say no (I could barely leave the house for a few years). My mental health is starting to improve, and I hope it continues to do so, and my physical health is dubious as always, but I'm hopeful. I love retouching photos but one day I'd like a real photographer to photograph me instead of having to take self-portraits. I think it's wonderful that there are photographers out there that are willing to work with disabled models. It's a little ray of hope. smile (My first post! Nice to meet you all!)

Oct 06 08 05:25 am Link

Model

Miss Marianna

Posts: 202

Groningen, Groningen, Netherlands

I agree with all of you!

Megan, just put on a beautiful picture of yourself, just give it a go, I did that too! In october 2007 a (at that time) beginning photographer was sending around an email that she was looking for models to practice. I just thought well, I don't know...I'm in a wheelchair..., but what the hell, just send an email that I'm interested! That's how it started...

And if anyone ever is trying to bring you on other thoughts, just do what you like and follow your heart!

Oct 06 08 06:33 am Link

Model

londonkate20

Posts: 447

JoJo Suicide wrote:
I don’t see a disabled model, I see a model in a wheelchair. To me there is a major difference.

A disabled car is one sitting at the side of the road.

You are not sitting at the side of life, you are living it. Go for it!

Beautiful point of view.

Oct 06 08 06:41 am Link

Model

Miss Marianna

Posts: 202

Groningen, Groningen, Netherlands

yeah, that was a really good point of view! :-)

Oct 06 08 06:46 am Link

Model

Stephanie Drayton

Posts: 1429

Greer, South Carolina, US

the girl that did my last pic in my port is a model and is handi cap..i think that as long as your happy and beautiful go for it.....

Oct 06 08 06:53 am Link

Photographer

Ray Holyer

Posts: 2000

Yeah, but, in the real world....

Oct 06 08 07:34 am Link

Model

K_G

Posts: 2930

Detroit, Michigan, US

Lumigraphics wrote:
And at the DEAC shoot, nobody treated her as "the poor girl in the wheelchair." She was there to model and join in the fun and was treated as a peer by everyone else there.

WOW!!! She's local & part of DEAC?? Cool! It would be an honor to model WITH her sometime!

Oct 06 08 07:49 am Link

Model

K_G

Posts: 2930

Detroit, Michigan, US

Meghan Anne Gerhart wrote:
My mental health is starting to improve, and I hope it continues to do so, and my physical health is dubious as always, but I'm hopeful.

YAY!!!! You GO, girl!! smile

Oct 06 08 07:51 am Link

Model

K_G

Posts: 2930

Detroit, Michigan, US

Miss Marianna wrote:
but what the hell, just send an email that I'm interested! That's how it started...

And if anyone ever is trying to bring you on other thoughts, just do what you like and follow your heart!

THat's it.

"Shoot for the moon, and if you miss, you will still land among the stars...."

Oct 06 08 07:53 am Link

Model

Miki Jotalee

Posts: 104

Southend-on-Sea, England, United Kingdom

Alex N wrote:

Okay, actually I am making a list. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to be included on it, or excluded from it please let me know. It's currently the bottom list in my profile.

Anyone who has a disability visible or not, it's more than welcome to be included.

/end thread hijack/

Can I be on your list please?

I have relapsing MS, so I just don't shoot when I'm having a bad relapse (mainly because during relapses I become a depressed moody cow who shouldn't be around people!). Even when I'm in remission I get tired easily and my legs hurt a lot if I stand up for too long. I need crutches to get around but I have a very handy escort/helper who stands by the side just out of shot and holds them for me, and catches me if I fall! (I've had a great laugh with it sometimes, like standing in the sea trying to balance with the currents making it even harder, being terrified of falling in and ruining the dress and makeup, but laughing at myself!) I have one particular photographer, Draken, who is amazing at dealing with my disability, he just picks me up and puts me where he wants me, even if it's up in a tree! Almost every 'tog I've worked with has been understanding and positive about my limitations. I think that since I became disabled I took on a better attitude and became a lot more professional and helpful on shoots (I hate to admit it, but as a teenage fashion model I was a bit of a demanding diva!)

I'd love to go on Britain's Missing Top Model to show the UK what I can do. I'm signed with Rogue Maidens, and I do live events (like Punkstock); as long as my agent explains to a client that I need regular breaks and might struggle with some tasks it's fine. I don't let anything hold me back. (The only thing I'm really gutted about is that I wanted to be a dancer! Oh well,  some things don't work out as planned! The new plan is to work on a seated burlesque routine....lol!)

Oct 06 08 08:45 am Link

Model

Alisha King

Posts: 2491

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Miss Marianna wrote:
well, i agree with everyone here. i'm not trying to put people in boxes, but the world just do! holland is not that openminded i guess, 'cause i've talked to a stylist once and she told me that when they do a shoot for something for disabled they use abled models! i thought: my god, why not a real disabled person????? as if we aren't people to model!

It's very true...

I remember when I was pregnant, I wanted to try and do some pregnancy/maternity ads, or audition for movie/tv parts that called for a pregnant woman... Then I found out that a majority of the time, they don't actually use pregnant women. They pop a fake belly onto a model that hasn't gained 15 pounds of water weight in her face and arms....Lol.

I was pissed.... Because, yeah, she looks more like a model because she hasn't gotten a little chubby from pregnancy- But that's part of pregnancy!! If they wanted it to look REAL, they should use a REAL pregnant model..... But unfortunately, they don't necessarily want it to look "real" ... They just want it to look "good".

Oct 06 08 11:14 am Link

Model

Alisha King

Posts: 2491

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Also, Marianna...

Have you checked out http://www.visablemodels.co.uk/about.htm ...

They're in the UK ... Maybe they represent models in the Netherlands ....

Oct 06 08 11:21 am Link

Photographer

FOTOgraphicART - Heinz

Posts: 1710

Hopkins, Minnesota, US

I see no reason why a handicap should prevent anyhone from modeling or, for that matter, prevent any photographer from photographing a handicapped model.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … id=1723567

Oct 06 08 11:22 am Link

Model

Sprite In Red

Posts: 763

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

JoJo Suicide wrote:
I don’t see a disabled model, I see a model in a wheelchair. To me there is a major difference.

A disabled car is one sitting at the side of the road.

You are not sitting at the side of life, you are living it. Go for it!

QFT  - I am hard of hearing but that doesn't stop me from doing what I love and creating art with other people smile

Oct 06 08 11:27 am Link

Model

Sprite In Red

Posts: 763

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Alex N wrote:

Okay, actually I am making a list. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to be included on it, or excluded from it please let me know. It's currently the bottom list in my profile.

Anyone who has a disability visible or not, it's more than welcome to be included.

/end thread hijack/

I want on the list! smile

Oct 06 08 11:30 am Link

Photographer

Gary Blanchette

Posts: 5137

Irvine, California, US

Being in a wheelchair myself, I can tell you that even being able to discuss the topic openly with others on MM is liberating for the OP. I know personally if I'm left alone with my thoughts I at times become very discouraged. It's not until I can hear (read) all of the positive support that I climb back on my horse and begin contacting Models again.

Bravo to the OP!

Oct 06 08 11:38 am Link

Model

Miss Marianna

Posts: 202

Groningen, Groningen, Netherlands

Alisha King wrote:
Also, Marianna...

Have you checked out http://www.visablemodels.co.uk/about.htm ...

They're in the UK ... Maybe they represent models in the Netherlands ....

Thanks, I've checked it! There's also one in Germany...I can't find the site at this moment...

Thanks, you're sweet!

Oct 06 08 04:32 pm Link

Model

K I C K H A M

Posts: 14689

Los Angeles, California, US

This girl is deaf:

mm#401219

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080211/10/47b06d9cd23f6.jpg

She recently deleted her profile saying so, aparently. She rocks though.

Oct 06 08 04:51 pm Link

Photographer

dklee studio photo

Posts: 2587

Richmond, Virginia, US

we are in two worlds here.

one is the MM world where everyone tries to be PC.  yes, everyone can model.  the question is, are you going to be successful at it.  a model with a disability will be limited to what they can model.  do you think they will appear in the newest issue of vogue?  probably not.  how about a children's catalog  probably not.  Local ad?  chances are, no.

but you will have a few agencies that will need pictures for other magazines, other publications that you can model for.  so yes, a model with a physical disability can find work.  is it easy?  probably not.  but it is always worth doing.  and as long as you are happy, and you turn out beautiful pictures, why not?

Oct 06 08 05:02 pm Link

Model

Miss Marianna

Posts: 202

Groningen, Groningen, Netherlands

i love it!

Oct 06 08 05:03 pm Link

Model

Miss Marianna

Posts: 202

Groningen, Groningen, Netherlands

DKLEE STUDIO wrote:
we are in two worlds here.

one is the MM world where everyone tries to be PC.  yes, everyone can model.  the question is, are you going to be successful at it.  a model with a disability will be limited to what they can model.  do you think they will appear in the newest issue of vogue?  probably not.  how about a children's catalog  probably not.  Local ad?  chances are, no.

but you will have a few agencies that will need pictures for other magazines, other publications that you can model for.  so yes, a model with a physical disability can find work.  is it easy?  probably not.  but it is always worth doing.  and as long as you are happy, and you turn out beautiful pictures, why not?

yes i agree, i'll never be a catwalk girl, but i will be a model! i don't really want to be professional, it'll also cost me way too much energy!

what i really want is 2 things: have fun and be an inspiration for other girls and maybe boys to take a chance to model! you CAN model with a disability, but for professional modelling you CAN'T have a heavy disability.

Oct 06 08 05:10 pm Link

Model

Elizabeth Davidson

Posts: 212

Ottawa, Illinois, US

What we do is art, anyone can be in the photos and you can make beautiful artwork. You might never be a runway model in Milan, but then again neither am I or 99% of the planet.

Oct 06 08 05:43 pm Link

Photographer

Stereoblind

Posts: 663

Vancouver, Washington, US

Any disabled models near Portland, Oregon reading this list. Get in touch, would love the chance to create a shoot with you!

photography at stereoblind dot com or PM me on MM

Oct 06 08 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

Why Dangle

Posts: 2791

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

Oct 06 08 06:17 pm Link

Model

__Zoe__

Posts: 286

Canaan, New Hampshire, US

JoJo Suicide wrote:
I don’t see a disabled model, I see a model in a wheelchair. To me there is a major difference.

A disabled car is one sitting at the side of the road.

You are not sitting at the side of life, you are living it. Go for it!

Disabled is saying a model is unable to do something, which is untrue, we all have strengths and overcome challenges. More power to those who fight their less strong suits.

Oct 06 08 06:41 pm Link

Photographer

jwb imagery

Posts: 1422

Hot Springs, Arkansas, US

No problems with models who have disabilities as long as they do not have problems with a photographer with some as well.

Experience for me has included: one grandparent confined to a wheelchair for thirty years, and on the other side both were deaf (and parents never taught me to sign).  And, then me, I was born with a corrected problem but has left me subject limited mobility as knees and feet have never been 100%.

Oct 06 08 06:55 pm Link

Model

__Zoe__

Posts: 286

Canaan, New Hampshire, US

Meghan Anne Gerhart wrote:
I signed up here as a "photoshop wizard" but I also do some modeling and photography. I have both mental and physical disabilities and, whenever I got a "real" modeling offer, it would break my heart to say no (I could barely leave the house for a few years). My mental health is starting to improve, and I hope it continues to do so, and my physical health is dubious as always, but I'm hopeful. I love retouching photos but one day I'd like a real photographer to photograph me instead of having to take self-portraits. I think it's wonderful that there are photographers out there that are willing to work with disabled models. It's a little ray of hope. smile (My first post! Nice to meet you all!)

Congratulations. I also came out of my shell today to actually say, I have a physical disability (I hate the word). I also just have social anxiety so as much as I love modeling it is a fight for me to go through with things. Nice to meet you as well.

Oct 06 08 07:01 pm Link

Photographer

Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

Kristin IndustrialG wrote:

WOW!!! She's local & part of DEAC?? Cool! It would be an honor to model WITH her sometime!

Yep! I was totally stoked, Alex did a set with London Andrews and Tracy Jordan, and I got to shoot them together! Lovely ladies all three smile

Oct 07 08 02:32 am Link

Model

Miss Marianna

Posts: 202

Groningen, Groningen, Netherlands

it's very good to read all this!

Oct 07 08 06:57 am Link

Model

Chaya Phally

Posts: 7738

New York, New York, US

SLE Photography wrote:
I've worked with disabled models, and would do it again, but you have to be aware that your disability will limit you moreso in modeling than in other fields, especially if it affects your physical appearance.

The ADA doesn't apply in modeling.  It's a looks-based business and many will not choose to work with you based on your looks.  Agency and commercial work is not something you should expect, either.

Complaining about the fairness of these circumstances is only likely to make those who MIGHT work with you less likely to do so because they'll expect you to be bitter & have an attitude, and no one wants to deal with that.

Yes.

Oct 07 08 07:00 am Link

Model

Miss Marianna

Posts: 202

Groningen, Groningen, Netherlands

yes for???

Oct 07 08 10:02 am Link

Photographer

Julia Dando

Posts: 1328

Plymouth, England, United Kingdom

Did a shoot with Kevin today - what a pleasure it was:

https://fc06.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/285/e/8/e827f7de4411d1ee3d6c1ca7bae0961b.jpg

https://fc04.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/286/6/d/6d2071edc9e6cdf30748d1dfd2063a5c.jpg

https://fc04.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/286/b/9/b9075f49c9cbe242dc4ae096de9d75d6.jpg

https://fc01.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/286/1/5/1502a456e8c247bbb07fcc9d23dcc356.jpg

Oct 11 08 04:27 pm Link

Model

Feral Oneiric

Posts: 5949

Portland, Oregon, US

One of my most favorite fetish models ever- (maybe even my #1 favorite)
https://a420.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/105/l_3c467065dc7ca76649af34ac67e49b13.jpg

(if you don't get it on first glance, she's missing a leg!)

Oct 12 08 12:38 am Link