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SensualThemes
Posts: 3,042
Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, US


I have a model that I've been wanting to shoot with for a while...normally I get paid to do shoots or we do tf*.  The problem is, she wants to trade for time....and have me sell the photos.  Honestly it's been a while since i marketed photo sets (nude artistic) and am not sure how to do it anymore.  Any tips where i can send the work to promote it/sell it.

Perhaps as web content or something?
Oct 05 08 07:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paul Bryson Photography
Posts: 48,035
Hollywood, Florida, US


Pinups4 wrote:
Perhaps as web content or something?

Yep. And with our current economy, even that's gonna be difficult.

Oct 05 08 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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devpics
Posts: 834
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I'm afraid I'm a novice myself when it comes to selling pics but it would seem sensible to identify sites/publications that use work similar to what you do and approach them about their submission requirements.
Oct 05 08 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,446
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


Think about this.  You have someone who is trying to make you work for less with the argument you can find a market for the images? - Why accept an increased burden?

If she is so sure there is a market, charge for the shoot and either sell the model prints at wholesale, she can sell at retail or give (or sell) her a license to sell the images.  If she truly thinks there is a market, she will take you up on this.   if you are reluctant, because you think you can make money off the images, then shoot TFI and make money on the images.

P.S. - I'm a part time photographer and the only genre that I am currently not making a profit on is art nudes.
Oct 05 08 11:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SensualThemes
Posts: 3,042
Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, US


I agree...and may not do it.  But ... it's an area I know nothing about, and don't like having black holes in my skillset.
Oct 05 08 11:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charles Metivier Photo
Posts: 391
Fairfield, California, US


There are several books available that deal  with submission guidelines for publications, types of images used, addresses to inquire and submit, etc. go to your local bookstore and buy one.
Oct 06 08 02:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stereoblind
Posts: 663
Vancouver, Washington, US


Depending on the sets, deviantnation.com might be interested.
Oct 06 08 02:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M BEALS STUDIOS
Posts: 48
Wilmington, California, US


Pinups4 wrote:
I have a model that I've been wanting to shoot with for a while...normally I get paid to do shoots or we do tf*.  The problem is, she wants to trade for time....and have me sell the photos.  Honestly it's been a while since i marketed photo sets (nude artistic) and am not sure how to do it anymore.  Any tips where i can send the work to promote it/sell it.

Perhaps as web content or something?

There are several places that you can look into for doing that. You need to make sure you have a photo id of the model, a signed model release and a TF contract or you may be looking at some liability. if you have questions I will be glad to help you out with it. I have nudes for sale on several stock sites and its really the only way to make a TF situation work for you.

Dec 05 11 08:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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PHOTOS BY DILLEN
Posts: 616
Cartersville, Georgia, US


I have heard ETSY.com is a good market place ...I am looking into it myself
Dec 05 11 09:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
Posts: 36,421
Columbus, Ohio, US


HOLY ZOMBIE THREAD BATMAN, IT'S ANOTHER ONE!
Dec 05 11 09:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Plymouthshop
Posts: 20
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


ETSY.com is only an auction site. I wouldn't waste my time on a no-namer. eBay have a art->photo-contempory-> nude section.

I am confused because in an electronic world it makes sense to say here is a digital image and email it; put it on a canvas above your bed, coffee cup, clock, above your desk and tell your friends that is your girlfriend on active duty in Afganistan...

All of the pictures on eBay seem to be printed on a photo. This is a sham because a scanner can steal an image as rapidly as the actual raw digital image so like a software author you have to go on trust that your buyer will only give a copy to 20 friends and not 1,000 (as a software author the worst infringment I knew of was 35,000 by a magazine). The thing about passing software or a photo is people are so disconnected from each other you can sell a lot of pictures to various groups of thieves before you 'flood the market'.

eBay is doing themselves by not having a stock photo section.

On a higher note I have been looking at the stock photo arena and I can't find an eBay of the stock photo world.

Those companies I have looked at all have "guardians of the gate" who approve or disapprove photo quality.  I had a coat I was given for eBay and nearly through it out as an old man's trash. My wife looked at it and said "it is a $300 coat" To prove her wrong I put it on eBay. Sure enough it was a $300 coat.

A venue is needed where buyers vote with their feet and all images have watermarks and can be download like Payloadz.com with a commission only approach.

This is my opinion and I have yet to find one.

Mike
Jul 07 12 06:51 am  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,491
San Francisco, California, US


Cherrystone wrote:
HOLY ZOMBIE THREAD BATMAN, IT'S ANOTHER ONE!

This was a Zombie thread when it was re-awaken eight months ago.  Now it has just be brought back again.  Old threads sometimes neither die nor fade away!

Jul 07 12 07:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,072
New York, New York, US


Cherrystone wrote:
HOLY ZOMBIE THREAD BATMAN, IT'S ANOTHER ONE!

An interesting thread, like an interesting woman, is never old.

Jul 07 12 09:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Art Silva
Posts: 9,231
Santa Barbara, California, US


Paul Bryson Photography wrote:
Yep. And with our current economy, even that's gonna be difficult.

blame obamacare  tongue

[sarcasm]

Jul 07 12 09:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,432
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Art Silva Photography wrote:

blame obamacare  tongue

[sarcasm]

hehehehe

Jul 07 12 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,754
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


I've seen some models say they charge for nudes because photographers can always sell them and make money.

I wish it was that easy.
Jul 07 12 06:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Greg Kolack wrote:
I've seen some models say they charge for nudes because photographers can always sell them and make money.

I wish it was that easy.

Actually, it is..

Jul 08 12 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Paul Bryson Photography wrote:
Yep. And with our current economy, even that's gonna be difficult.

No it's not.

Jul 08 12 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Pinups4 wrote:
I have a llama that I've been wanting to shoot with for a while...normally I get paid to do shoots or we do tf*.  The problem is, she wants to trade for time....and have me sell the photos.  Honestly it's been a while since i marketed photo sets (nude artistic) and am not sure how to do it anymore.  Any tips where i can send the work to promote it/sell it.

Perhaps as web content or something?

The best thing to do is what the photographers did to sell all of the nude photos that you've purchased.

Jul 08 12 02:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M BEALS STUDIOS
Posts: 48
Wilmington, California, US


Abbitt Photography wrote:
Think about this.  You have someone who is trying to make you work for less with the argument you can find a market for the images? - Why accept an increased burden?

If she is so sure there is a market, charge for the shoot and either sell the model prints at wholesale, she can sell at retail or give (or sell) her a license to sell the images.  If she truly thinks there is a market, she will take you up on this.   if you are reluctant, because you think you can make money off the images, then shoot TFI and make money on the images.

P.S. - I'm a part time photographer and the only genre that I am currently not making a profit on is art nudes.

I am a full time photog and have been doing it since the 80's......I dont make tons of money off art nudes either, mainly due to the fact that there are SO MANY out there that are available for dirt cheap prices on the internet that the market is "flooded". HOWEVER, there is good money is some of them if your willing to invest some of your own....First, I agree..if youre unsure that any of her work carries a good profit, Charge her and then give her distribution rights OR TF and have her give you a release to use at your discretion and purpose. If your VERY comfortable with your ability AND her work, the invest...start an art (coffee table) photo book, have calendars printed, have poster size prints made and sell them as rolled or framed art to stores, exhibits, etc...set your price.. I have one in a 36x42 framed print available in a local art store at the Del Amo Mall marked at $795.00. Cost me $136 to print, $75 to have it framed and the manager of the store paid me $565 for it. They obviously marked it up..but thats the business. I still turnd a nice profit.

Jul 10 12 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,392
Seattle, Washington, US


There are nude photos everywhere, everyday. Just think why would anyone pay for yours (hers)? Unless she is someone of very special interest; like Taylor Swift, Sarah Palin, Lolo Jones, Nastia Liukin, Selena Gomez, etc.
Jul 10 12 12:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,323
Orlando, Florida, US


John Jebbia wrote:

Paul Bryson Photography wrote:
Yep. And with our current economy, even that's gonna be difficult.

No it's not.

Um... that "current" economy was 4 years ago.

Things are arguably different now.  This thread, however, is old.

Jul 10 12 12:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Chuckarelei wrote:
There are nude photos everywhere, everyday. Just think why would anyone pay for yours (hers)? Unless she is someone of very special interest; like Taylor Swift, Sarah Palin, Lolo Jones, Nastia Liukin, Selena Gomez, etc.

This isn't even close to true.

Jul 10 12 12:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,392
Seattle, Washington, US


Greg Kolack wrote:
I've seen some llamas say they charge for nudes because photographers can always sell them and make money.

I wish it was that easy.
John Jebbia wrote:
Actually, it is..

I'd like to see some proof? Unless you are talking selling an image for $0.02 each?

Jul 10 12 12:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Lynch
Posts: 2,483
Bowie, Maryland, US


Plymouthshop wrote:
ETSY.com is only an auction site.

If you are going to revive a zombie thread, at least don't put misinformation in the first sentence of your first forum post.  Etsy is not an auction site.

Jul 10 12 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cosplay Creatives
Posts: 10,714
Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica


Chuckarelei wrote:

I'd like to see some proof? Unless you are talking selling an image for $0.02 each?

I've seen his stuff sell.  The way I see it and explained is no one will pay for good nude pictures.  If I sold shitty nude pics for a price no one would care about and will pay, and I sell in mass amounts, it sells like crazy.

Jul 10 12 01:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
OLJ Nudes
Posts: 190
Winnetka, California, US


extremely tough flooded market.
Jul 10 12 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BSP Photo Studios
Posts: 33
Leesburg, Virginia, US


Its too funny...most of the models here that will shoot nudes want between $100-200 for standard sets. I deal with two editors who buy nude sets and they pay a bit more. There is money there but its not all that? Ideally you have to turn them around and sell them a few times over.
But most aren't buying?




Abbitt Photography wrote:
Think about this.  You have someone who is trying to make you work for less with the argument you can find a market for the images? - Why accept an increased burden?

If she is so sure there is a market, charge for the shoot and either sell the model prints at wholesale, she can sell at retail or give (or sell) her a license to sell the images.  If she truly thinks there is a market, she will take you up on this.   if you are reluctant, because you think you can make money off the images, then shoot TFI and make money on the images.

P.S. - I'm a part time photographer and the only genre that I am currently not making a profit on is art nudes.

Jul 10 12 01:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,456
Los Angeles, California, US


Instead of selling her images for penny's to websites or trying to get your foot in the door at publications that can't even keep their regular contributors busy, why not suggest that she open an inexpensive website where members pay to see her photos.

In the long run, she will make much more money (as will you) and have something that she can continue having fun with and profiting from.

KM
Jul 10 12 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
OLJ Nudes
Posts: 190
Winnetka, California, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Instead of selling her images for penny's to websites or trying to get your foot in the door at publications that can't even keep their regular contributors busy, why not suggest that she open an inexpensive website where members pay to see her photos.

In the long run, she will make much more money (as will you) and have something that she can continue having fun with and profiting from.

KM

Ken,

with due respect (and I really mean respect)
setting paysite isn't cheap.
Its' several thousand dollars investment. (VISA fee alone is $750)

If somebody knows how to set it  all up under $1500 - I'll really appreciate this info

Jul 10 12 04:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
cameryn coxxx
Posts: 369
Delray Beach, Florida, US


images4sale.com or zivity
Jul 10 12 04:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Chuckarelei wrote:
I'd like to see some proof? Unless you are talking selling an image for $0.02 each?

Well, I can't show proof without having a bunch of competition suddenly showing up and doing the exact same thing I'm doing.. and I don't want that.

Let's just say, you're partially right. I'm selling them for pennies per photo. Let's also just say that I'm earning 100% of my income doing this.

Hint.. It's not images4sale, and it's not a paysite.

Jul 10 12 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Gryph wrote:
I've seen his stuff sell.  The way I see it and explained is no one will pay for good nude pictures.  If I sold shitty nude pics for a price no one would care about and will pay, and I sell in mass amounts, it sells like crazy.

Yep.. This is the key. Low price, high volume, low overhead.

I'm basically selling zip sets of 200-500 images for $2. I have stuff I consider good posted. It doesn't sell. I also have stuff that looks like any GWC could shoot it. It sells like mad.

I'm just not going to tell you where.

Jul 10 12 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


BSP Master Photographer wrote:
Its too funny...most of the models here that will shoot nudes want between $100-200 for standard sets. I deal with two editors who buy nude sets and they pay a bit more. There is money there but its not all that? Ideally you have to turn them around and sell them a few times over.
But most aren't buying?

Yes they are. I'll give you guys a hint.

If I pay a model $100/hr, I can fire off approximately 5 100 image zip sets in that hour. Note.. I didn't say they were going to be good (by our standards) - Pop up the flash and fire away.

My per set cost is $20. Which means I only have to sell 20 of each set for $2 each to double my money.

Since these are zip sets, I'm selling them over and over and over again. Costs me nothing except the cost of the model and processing fees.

At $2, no one cares if they are good. In fact, my experience has shown that they don't even want the good photos.

Where you guys make your mistake is this notion that a single image will sell for $20-$30. That won't work.

Jul 10 12 06:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Instead of selling her images for penny's to websites or trying to get your foot in the door at publications that can't even keep their regular contributors busy, why not suggest that she open an inexpensive website where members pay to see her photos.

In the long run, she will make much more money (as will you) and have something that she can continue having fun with and profiting from.

KM

This is the ideal situation. But there is a much better, much easier way that takes about an hour's work per day.

Jul 10 12 06:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,456
Los Angeles, California, US


OLJ Nudes wrote:
Ken,

with due respect (and I really mean respect)
setting paysite isn't cheap.
Its' several thousand dollars investment. (VISA fee alone is $750)

If somebody knows how to set it  all up under $1500 - I'll really appreciate this info

Models do it all the time for under $500.oo
Companies like DHD Media handle the credit card processing and you don't have to pay the $750.oo

I know several MM llamas that do that and average about $1,500.oo per month

I don't know why you think it's so expensive and complicated . . . . many llamas do it all the time

KM

Jul 10 12 10:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,456
Los Angeles, California, US


John Jebbia wrote:

This is the ideal situation. But there is a much better, much easier way that takes about an hour's work per day.

And what are you referring to . . . . . webcaming ?
Thats also a good revenue source that goes along with a website

KM

Jul 10 12 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6,326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


John Jebbia wrote:
Yes they are. I'll give you guys a hint.

If I pay a llama $100/hr, I can fire off approximately 5 100 image zip sets in that hour. Note.. I didn't say they were going to be good (by our standards) - Pop up the flash and fire away.

My per set cost is $20. Which means I only have to sell 20 of each set for $2 each to double my money.

Since these are zip sets, I'm selling them over and over and over again. Costs me nothing except the cost of the llama and processing fees.

At $2, no one cares if they are good. In fact, my experience has shown that they don't even want the good photos.

Where you guys make your mistake is this notion that a single image will sell for $20-$30. That won't work.

It's not a bad thing.. but people buying those are not purchasing them for the "art"... just saying.

Like I said.. nothing wrong with it... just people buying those zip sets want something other then art.

Jul 10 12 10:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
And what are you referring to . . . . . webcaming ?
Thats also a good revenue source that goes along with a website

KM

No.. not webcamming. I tried running a webcam studio and it was one of the biggest headaches I ever had.

First, there were so many people recruiting cam girls on places like craig's list that it was only by chance that someone came across my ads.

Second, people can't follow instructions. Sending me incomplete releases, fuzzy ID's, going back and forth trying to get the documents I needed to get them approved only to finally get them approved and then they go on cam once or not at all.

Jul 11 12 12:04 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ashlyn Orion
Posts: 35
Kihei, Hawaii, US


M BEALS STUDIOS wrote:

There are several places that you can look into for doing that. You need to make sure you have a photo id of the model, a signed model release and a TF contract or you may be looking at some liability. if you have questions I will be glad to help you out with it. I have nudes for sale on several stock sites and its really the only way to make a TF situation work for you.

Would you mind listing sites of this nature?

Jul 16 12 02:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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