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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

a new day with so many new opportunities

Apr 16 12 05:59 am Link

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P I X I E

Posts: 35440

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Yesterday sucked ass like crazy, but today looks like it's getting better... I will be in a photo expo about Performing Arts (I will be in burlesque photos). big_smile And since my burlesque show last Saturday went so well, I might be going back on stage to perform some more! big_smile

Apr 18 12 09:43 am Link

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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

Apr 18 12 11:05 am Link

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Star Child

Posts: 39289

Nashville, Tennessee, US

progress

Apr 20 12 10:35 am Link

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BeatnikDiva

Posts: 14859

Fayetteville, Arkansas, US

I haven't posted in here for a while for a couple of reasons, which I can't say.

I'm ok, just...stuff. smile

Apr 20 12 10:39 am Link

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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

DivaEroticus wrote:
I haven't posted in here for a while for a couple of reasons, which I can't say.

I'm ok, just...stuff. smile

*huggs*

Apr 23 12 07:34 am Link

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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

Sometimes MM can be a burdensome trigger and here we are on this thread in MM trying to help each other overcome many of the negative emotions and feelings that MM can drive.

Strange irony

Apr 23 12 09:35 am Link

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BeatnikDiva

Posts: 14859

Fayetteville, Arkansas, US

Star Child wrote:
Sometimes MM can be a burdensome trigger and here we are on this thread in MM trying to help each other overcome many of the negative emotions and feelings that MM can drive.

Strange irony

S'ok.  I have an ironyng board. tongue

Apr 23 12 10:01 am Link

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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

You could have a bumper car bumping if you bring your blue skies back

Apr 25 12 10:15 am Link

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Samantha Liana

Posts: 2660

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Why does every inch of my life suck...?

Will I eventually go through with pulling the trigger..?

When I think things can't get any shittier, they DO.

Apr 27 12 07:34 am Link

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Samantha Liana

Posts: 2660

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

iHateLIFE

Apr 27 12 08:10 am Link

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BeatnikDiva

Posts: 14859

Fayetteville, Arkansas, US

Samantha Liana wrote:
iHateLIFE

Hugs.

Apr 27 12 08:36 am Link

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Phane

Posts: 2063

Rockville, Maryland, US

I go threw life trying to just survive and today I started looking at ways to die

not to sure all make it past thirty dont feel much love at all in my life

Apr 27 12 01:37 pm Link

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Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

Phane wrote:
I go threw life trying to just survive and today I started looking at ways to die

not to sure all make it past thirty dont feel much love at all in my life

I know how you feel Phane. All of us in this thread go through times when we wish it were all over. The thing is, and what we never see at the time, is that it does get better. Just by coming here to unload your burden makes a difference in your life. Being open and honest is the way to getting back the life you want. I'm not all the way there yet. I have serious depression issues and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that beats me up every day. But it gets better Phane. You have people here who care about you. That's a place to start. Please feel free to private message me if you just want to talk. I've got a big ear!

Tim

Apr 27 12 07:35 pm Link

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Phane

Posts: 2063

Rockville, Maryland, US

Tim Little Photography wrote:
I know how you feel Phane. All of us in this thread go through times when we wish it were all over. The thing is, and what we never see at the time, is that it does get better. Just by coming here to unload your burden makes a difference in your life. Being open and honest is the way to getting back the life you want. I'm not all the way there yet. I have serious depression issues and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that beats me up every day. But it gets better Phane. You have people here who care about you. That's a place to start. Please feel free to private message me if you just want to talk. I've got a big ear!

Tim

Thank you I just had to say how I felt I still feel that way but I feel less anxious and so much better  then earlier just posting and knowing its read helps me fell less lonely

Apr 27 12 10:23 pm Link

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Star Child

Posts: 39289

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Samantha Liana wrote:
Why does every inch of my life suck...?

Will I eventually go through with pulling the trigger..?

When I think things can't get any shittier, they DO.

Our inner bullies are extremely good at pointing out what's wrong and if we listen without recognizing who's telling us it gets even more difficult to counter the talk with what is right with our lives.

It's a natural human reaction to study the problems when things go wrong, but we have to take care not to stay focused on them.

Apr 30 12 10:08 am Link

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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

A lot of what I've learned in therapy is about something called distorted thinking.  There are steps and exercises that we can do to help us work through distorted thinking.

Here is a site with information and assistance with cognitive therapy
http://www.getselfhelp.co.uk/index.html

Apr 30 12 10:14 am Link

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BorderlineBunny

Posts: 2201

Tulsa, Oklahoma, US

Star Child wrote:
Depression: What you don't know might be hurting you

Wow. So much of that story hit home. I'm going to have my husband read this when he gets home from work tonight and we'll talk about options.

Apr 30 12 10:15 am Link

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Samantha Liana

Posts: 2660

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Its funny how this site full of strangers can reeeeally, push you closer to the edge...

Reminds you of your insecurities and issues and mocks you.

People can be so0o kind sometimes...

May 03 12 12:53 am Link

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Samantha Liana

Posts: 2660

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

the world that i didnt ask to be in , is showing me its true colors everyday...
Eventually Ill be strong enough to be free...

May 03 12 01:08 am Link

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Kozmina

Posts: 6536

Bakersfield, California, US

Samantha Liana wrote:
the world that i didnt ask to be in , is showing me its true colors everyday...
Eventually Ill be strong enough to be free...

The world can be a very ugly place and sometimes you get it thrown in your face.Do your best to shrug it off and keep on truckin'.Always remember this-

Never let someone rent space in your head for free-

Hope your night gets better.Hugs smile

May 03 12 01:30 am Link

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Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

Samantha Liana wrote:
Its funny how this site full of strangers can reeeeally, push you closer to the edge...

Reminds you of your insecurities and issues and mocks you.

People can be so0o kind sometimes...

I agree. For some reason the internet gives some people a wall to hide behind and say terrible things. Conversely, for some of us, it gives us the freedom to encourage and lift up a person without the need to physically be with them. Since most of us come here because of our desire to be involved in art and imaging or fashion or whatever, we speak the same language. We have our own shorthand and that helps to understand the needs of others. Sadly too, we are in a brutal industry where being ripped to pieces is common.

The S&V thread is a safe room from all that. We can say anything and there will be someone, or several who will do their best to be helpful.

May 03 12 01:33 am Link

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A S Photography

Posts: 1222

Newark, Delaware, US

Samantha Liana wrote:
the world that i didnt ask to be in , is showing me its true colors everyday...
Eventually Ill be strong enough to be free...

I'm not sure why, but I get the feeling that this is one of the times you need to change [some aspect of] your life.

In any case, best of luck.

Edit:  I'm too sleepy to think straight.  I think I said what I meant; if not, my apologies.  I'll look again when I'm awake.

May 03 12 01:37 am Link

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Star Child

Posts: 39289

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Samantha Liana wrote:
the world that i didnt ask to be in , is showing me its true colors everyday...
Eventually Ill be strong enough to be free...

Someone is struggling very hard right now.

read this

May 03 12 08:44 am Link

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Jules NYC

Posts: 21617

New York, New York, US

Kozmina wrote:

The world can be a very ugly place and sometimes you get it thrown in your face.Do your best to shrug it off and keep on truckin'.Always remember this-

Never let someone rent space in your head for free-

Hope your night gets better.Hugs smile

I wish I could take that advice today.
A lifetime of living on my own...

This bad economy and a bad personal decision brought me to my knees, living with my parents for over a year.

Just got a job (great, right?)... good things happening with music/modeling and just about to move out.

Without a beat, my mother got all over my case like she has all my life.  As if she took lessons how to be cruel.  Accused me of being bipolar, making my father miserable, calling ME miserable... huh? (I'm not, oddly) and pulling every low-down bullshit low-shot in the book.

Wow.

Wish I could afford a shrink today.

Excuse the vent.  I even had a second job to go to today, but I knew I would be a mess there, so I cancelled (not a modeling gig)... it was that bad.

sad

May 04 12 07:57 am Link

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Yogi Studios

Posts: 86

San Diego, California, US

Wrote my first suicide note, I've never made it this far before. I'm terrified of my self right now. I'm alone with my thoughts in a house full of guns. I have absolutely no one I can talk to about any of this stuff sad

May 04 12 08:27 pm Link

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Yogi Studios

Posts: 86

San Diego, California, US

read this

Thanks for the earlier post Star Child

May 04 12 08:40 pm Link

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Yogi Studios

Posts: 86

San Diego, California, US

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WON'T CLICK THE LINK, YOU STILL NEED TO READ THIS:

If you are feeling suicidal now, please stop long enough to read this. It will only take about five minutes. I do not want to talk you out of your bad feelings. I am not a therapist or other mental health professional - only someone who knows what it is like to be in pain.

I don't know who you are, or why you are reading this page. I only know that for the moment, you're reading it, and that is good. I can assume that you are here because you are troubled and considering ending your life. If it were possible, I would prefer to be there with you at this moment, to sit with you and talk, face to face and heart to heart. But since that is not possible, we will have to make do with this.

I have known a lot of people who have wanted to kill themselves, so I have some small idea of what you might be feeling. I know that you might not be up to reading a long book, so I am going to keep this short. While we are together here for the next five minutes, I have five simple, practical things I would like to share with you. I won't argue with you about whether you should kill yourself. But I assume that if you are thinking about it, you feel pretty bad.

Well, you're still reading, and that's very good. I'd like to ask you to stay with me for the rest of this page. I hope it means that you're at least a tiny bit unsure, somewhere deep inside, about whether or not you really will end your life. Often people feel that, even in the deepest darkness of despair. Being unsure about dying is okay and normal. The fact that you are still alive at this minute means you are still a little bit unsure. It means that even while you want to die, at the same time some part of you still wants to live. So let's hang on to that, and keep going for a few more minutes.

Start by considering this statement:

Suicide is not chosen; it happens
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain.

That's all it's about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed, because you feel suicidal. It doesn't even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights... no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course you would cheer yourself up, if you could.

Don't accept it if someone tells you, "That's not enough to be suicidal about." There are many kinds of pain that may lead to suicide. Whether or not the pain is bearable may differ from person to person. What might be bearable to someone else, may not be bearable to you. The point at which the pain becomes unbearable depends on what kinds of coping resources you have. Individuals vary greatly in their capacity to withstand pain.

When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources.

You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.

Now I want to tell you five things to think about.
1    

You need to hear that people do get through this -- even people who feel as badly as you are feeling now. Statistically, there is a very good chance that you are going to live. I hope that this information gives you some sense of hope.
2    

Give yourself some distance. Say to yourself, "I will wait 24 hours before I do anything." Or a week. Remember that feelings and actions are two different things - just because you feel like killing yourself, doesn't mean that you have to actually do it right this minute. Put some distance between your suicidal feelings and suicidal action. Even if it's just 24 hours. You have already done it for 5 minutes, just by reading this page. You can do it for another 5 minutes by continuing to read this page. Keep going, and realize that while you still feel suicidal, you are not, at this moment, acting on it. That is very encouraging to me, and I hope it is to you.
3    

People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek, if you are dead.
4    

Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.

But there are people out there who can be with you in this horrible time, and will not judge you, or argue with you, or send you to a hospital, or try to talk you out of how badly you feel. They will simply care for you. Find one of them. Now. Use your 24 hours, or your week, and tell someone what's going on with you. It is okay to ask for help. Try:

    Send an anonymous e-mail to The Samaritans
    Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255 (TTY:1-800-799-4TTY)
    (In Australia, call Lifeline Australia at telephone: 13 11 14
    Teenagers, call Covenant House NineLine, 1-800-999-9999
    Look in the front of your phone book for a crisis line
    Call a psychotherapist
    Carefully choose a friend or a minister or rabbi, someone who is likely to listen

But don't give yourself the additional burden of trying to deal with this alone. Just talking about how you got to where you are, releases an awful lot of the pressure, and it might be just the additional coping resource you need to regain your balance.
5    

Suicidal feelings are, in and of themselves, traumatic. After they subside, you need to continue caring for yourself. Therapy is a really good idea. So are the various self-help groups available both in your community and on the Internet.



Well, it's been a few minutes and you're still with me. I'm really glad.

Since you have made it this far, you deserve a reward. I think you should reward yourself by giving yourself a gift. The gift you will give yourself is a coping resource. Remember, back up near the top of the page, I said that the idea is to make sure you have more coping resources than you have pain. So let's give you another coping resource, or two, or ten...! until they outnumber your sources of pain.

Now, while this page may have given you some small relief, the best coping resource we can give you is another human being to talk with. If you find someone who wants to listen, and tell them how you are feeling and how you got to this point, you will have increased your coping resources by one. Hopefully the first person you choose won't be the last. There are a lot of people out there who really want to hear from you. It's time to start looking around for one of them.

Now: I'd like you to call someone.

And while you're at it, you can still stay with me for a bit. Check out these sources of online help.

May 04 12 08:46 pm Link

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Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

Hawks Photography wrote:
Wrote my first suicide note, I've never made it this far before. I'm terrified of my self right now. I'm alone with my thoughts in a house full of guns. I have absolutely no one I can talk to about any of this stuff sad

Hi Becky,

I'm sorry I've been away from the computer for awhile. I just logged in and read your posts. I'm am so sorry that you find yourself at this sad place in your life. I've written a suicide note or two in my life so I think I can at least relate to the despair and pain. I'm very happy to talk with you if you want. Please feel free to send me a private message. Actually, I'll send you one and you can reply back. If you like to talk I'll message you my phone number and we can talk all night if needed.

The point is there are people who care about you and what you are going through. I think back on the times when I can so close to giving it all up and now I see that situations change. Things can be made better. It starts with communication. You are not alone dear.

Tim

May 04 12 10:22 pm Link

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Lady Pelvic

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Orlando, Florida, US

Happy Cinco De Mayo everyone. smile

May 05 12 05:42 am Link

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Jules NYC

Posts: 21617

New York, New York, US

Seems like life is just a series of painful experiences before your eyes close for good.

May 05 12 10:10 am Link

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Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

Jules NYC wrote:
Seems like life is just a series of painful experiences before your eyes close for good.

Hey Jules. I'm sorry you're having a rough day. How can I help?

May 05 12 10:18 am Link

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Jules NYC

Posts: 21617

New York, New York, US

Tim Little Photography wrote:

Hey Jules. I'm sorry you're having a rough day. How can I help?

You did, thank you:)
Really tired.

I think it's important for everyone to read up on this:

http://www.thisisawar.com/AbuseEmotional.htm

May 05 12 03:53 pm Link

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Chris Rifkin

Posts: 25581

Tampa, Florida, US

The "cancer" is coming back..

Why can't I ever be in the position where someone that would be great for me and I would find desireable would somehow be introduced to me or otherwise,where there was no pressure to make a great impression.
Why is it that I see so many friends hooked up via friends and family members with people they eventually marry that are desireable to each other,especially after one has been hurt.
Why is it the extreme few times someone thinks its a good idea to introduce someone into my life its predictably a person that I have absolutely no interest in(physicly,or even having any common interests with,its always the old unatractive woman with many kids who want someone to help with bills,ect)
Why do I feel like garbage and people think they can(sorry for sounding mean)dump theirs on me thinking they are doing me a favor..

*sigh*
I'll be 45 in 2 years when my credit and living situation is totally repaired from what my ex caused me...why do I have the feeling it will be too late to find what I truly know what will make me happy in a relationship.

Rambling rant over,carry on

May 07 12 03:12 pm Link

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Mr Banner

Posts: 85322

Hayward, California, US

Chris Rifkin wrote:
where there was no pressure to make a great impression.

that place doesn't exist. 

Why is it the extreme few times someone thinks its a good idea to introduce someone into my life its predictably a person that I have absolutely no interest in(physicly,or even having any common interests with,its always the old unatractive woman with many kids who want someone to help with bills,ect)
Why do I feel like garbage and people think they can(sorry for sounding mean)dump theirs on me thinking they are doing me a favor..

don't rely on other people.  Get out there and start meeting women yourself.  You see an attractive woman, ask her out. 


I'll be 45 in 2 years when my credit and living situation is totally repaired from what my ex caused me...

my credit score is 1.  I don't recall any of my GF's asking me that! 


get out there on the hunt.

May 07 12 03:15 pm Link

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-Nicole-

Posts: 19211

Madison, Wisconsin, US

One of my best friends cousins hung herself yesterday. She was 15, a bright and beautiful girl. She was bullied and just couldn't take it anymore. Her brother found her and they rushed her to the hospital, but she was pronounced brain dead this morning. My heart breaks for her family...

sad

May 09 12 08:13 am Link

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Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

-Nicole- wrote:
One of my best friends cousins hung herself yesterday. She was 15, a bright and beautiful girl. She was bullied and just couldn't take it anymore. Her brother found her and they rushed her to the hospital, but she was pronounced brain dead this morning. My heart breaks for her family...

sad

Oh Nicole, I am so sorry to hear of this terrible tragedy. You and your family are in my prayers.

May 09 12 08:18 am Link

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-Nicole-

Posts: 19211

Madison, Wisconsin, US

Tim Little Photography wrote:

Oh Nicole, I am so sorry to hear of this terrible tragedy. You and your family are in my prayers.

Thanks Tim.

It was my friends cousin. I didn't have the pleasure of knowing her unfortunately. Just knowing of her, and from that I wish I was able to.

I was bullied in school...made half of the years hell. Bullying has definitely gotten a lot worse due to the internet sad

May 09 12 08:21 am Link

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Chris Rifkin

Posts: 25581

Tampa, Florida, US

-Nicole- wrote:

Thanks Tim.

It was my friends cousin. I didn't have the pleasure of knowing her unfortunately. Just knowing of her, and from that I wish I was able to.

I was bullied in school...made half of the years hell. Bullying has definitely gotten a lot worse due to the internet sad

May 09 12 08:31 am Link

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-Nicole-

Posts: 19211

Madison, Wisconsin, US

Chris Rifkin wrote:

May 09 12 08:38 am Link