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Model
Leslee Lane
Posts: 165
Lexington, Kentucky, US


If the model is nude but their hands and legs are positioned to where you don't see any naughty parts?

I'm assuming implied? I just want to be sure....
Nov 10 08 02:26 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
nothing
Posts: 9,229
Okinawa, Okinawa, Japan


if you see no naughty bits. but they are nude. then it is implied
Nov 10 08 02:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leslee Lane
Posts: 165
Lexington, Kentucky, US


woo I was right! tongue
Nov 10 08 02:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jon Scott Visual
Posts: 1,529


depends on who you ask and where they are.

if you ask my dad that, it's porn.

if you ask me that, it's implied.
Nov 10 08 02:35 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Moriah Allende
Posts: 14,132
Jackson, Mississippi, US


Jon Scott Visual wrote:
depends on who you ask and where they are.

if you ask my dad that, it's porn.

if you ask me that, it's implied.

haha, so true.

Nov 10 08 02:37 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leslee Lane
Posts: 165
Lexington, Kentucky, US


haha I guess I mean from a model or photographer's view

Good point though
Nov 10 08 02:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 30,721
San Diego, California, US


Implied.


Under swimsuits, props, clothes, etc., we are all nude.




If you can't see "it" ... implied.

If you can ... nude.



Opinions vary widely.
Nov 10 08 02:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotofolios
Posts: 741
Seattle, Washington, US


nude if you are nude. nothing is implied. if you are covering parts - it is partial nudes such as topless - not full nude. covered nude is still nude - so I'd say it's partial nude. why worry about  a definition?
Nov 10 08 03:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
( ANT ) Mgaphoto
Posts: 4,950
San Diego, California, US


implied
Nov 10 08 03:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Pardue Photography
Posts: 5,457
San Francisco, California, US


Shiggily Weebonk McGee wrote:
if you see no naughty bits. but they are nude. then it is implied

if you see no naughty bits but they are nude, then they are nude.  simple as that.

Nov 10 08 03:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leslee Lane
Posts: 165
Lexington, Kentucky, US


FEMME Naturelle wrote:
why worry about  a definition?

Just curious

Nov 10 08 03:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Pardue Photography
Posts: 5,457
San Francisco, California, US


Leslee Lane wrote:
woo I was right! tongue

no you weren't

http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080324/05/47e77252010a3_m.jpg

You're topless aren't you?  Just cause you're back is facing us doesn't mean you're not topless.

Nov 10 08 03:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
myfotographer
Posts: 3,309
Fresno, California, US


If you don't have any clothes on, I'm pretty sure your nude.

If you're posed in such a way that the viewer is left frustrated that they can't see the good bits. That is a tease.

If you have clothes on, but I think you're nude. That is implied.

Now that we have that taken care of, lets shoot some nudes.
Nov 10 08 03:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
myfotographer
Posts: 3,309
Fresno, California, US


Paul Pardue Photography wrote:

no you weren't

http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080324/05/47e77252010a3_m.jpg

You're topless aren't you?  Just cause you're back is facing us doesn't mean you're not topless.

You can't tell if she is or she isn't. She could be wearing pasties.

Nov 10 08 03:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 21,947
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


In modeling, as in any other area of human endeavor, certain terms become accepted in the industry as jargon.  Their meaning cannot be derived from the literal meaning of the words that make them up, but rather from how they are customarily used in the industry.  An example would be "test shoot", which in practice doesn't normally mean testing anything.  Industry professionals understand what it really means.

"Implied nude" is another such term, which has broad use in the industry, and which has meaning which exceeds the literal definition of its component parts.  Although there is some variation in usage (just as there is with "test shoot"), generally "implied nude" is taken to include those cases where a model is, in fact, nude, but certain body parts do not show in the image.  It would be very misleading to suggest that a model should understand the term differently.

The interested reader is invited to peruse the following links, each of which defines the term in its own way.  In all cases, the notion that "implied nude" does not involve nudity is rejected.

http://www.smashboxphoto.com/faq.php

http://www.worldofstock.com/prints.php? … rm&curr=29

http://www.socalpromodels.com/definitions.shtml

http://www.genesis-models.co.uk/modelin … itions.htm

http://www.digitalwilly.com/ipn1.html

http://www.ehow.com/how_2059477_photogr … udity.html

http://www.just-stuart.com/models/glossary.php

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 818AARXNUn

http://www.familyguidebook.com/book/17.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_nudity

http://mossmodels.com/models/index.php? … stingID=87

http://www.castledude.com/dictionary.htm

http://media.www.kaleo.org/media/storag … 5322.shtml

http://www.zerotopia.com/resources/mode … ained.html

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messag … 727&page=1
Nov 10 08 03:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Way Beyond Productions
Posts: 1,762
Portsmouth, Virginia, US


Ed Stevenson wrote:
If you don't have any clothes on, I'm pretty sure your nude.

If you're posed in such a way that the viewer is left frustrated that they can't see the good bits. That is a tease.

If you have clothes on, but I think you're nude. That is implied.

Now that we have that taken care of, lets shoot some nudes.

Perfectly stated!

Nov 10 08 03:32 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leslee Lane
Posts: 165
Lexington, Kentucky, US


Ed Stevenson wrote:

You can't tell if she is or she isn't. She could be wearing pasties.

Actually I have a scarf on

Nov 10 08 03:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DigiPhotoAZ
Posts: 14
Phoenix, Arizona, US


If you are in a shot on a bed with sheets covering your sex organs or breast, but you can't really see if they are in underwear or shorts, ect. It would be implied.

If you are posed where you can see they are nude, but they are not showing the sex organs or breast. It's a partial nude.

If you are posed standing against a wall angled so the sex organs or breast are not showed, but nothing is covering the body. It's a non frontal nude.

If you are posed showing the sex organs or breast, no clothes. It's a Full frontal nude.
Nov 10 08 03:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
myfotographer
Posts: 3,309
Fresno, California, US


Drats, there goes that fantasy. ;-)

That doesn't change the fact that I was right. You were in fact not topless. The implication was that you were and thus - implied.

I'm still dissappointed though.
Nov 10 08 03:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 30,721
San Diego, California, US


Who cares?


The only thing that matters significantly is how you define it for yourselves in the Moedl Release or other signed contract.
Nov 10 08 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC 2012
Posts: 237
New York, New York, US


Paul Pardue Photography wrote:

no you weren't

http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080324/05/47e77252010a3_m.jpg

You're topless aren't you?  Just cause you're back is facing us doesn't mean you're not topless.

Exactly.

Implied the nudity is not real it's implied. Think beauty shot with a halter top, or positioning legs so that you can't see the swimsuit bottoms.

It's like "begging the question". People use that to mean "it makes me wonder" or "now you have to ask...." but that's not even close to its proper meaning. It's a term in logic describing a particular form of circular reasoning.

Now as far as it's actual use around here, if someone asks you to shoot "implied nudes" you should expect to be nude during the shoot, but no R rated body parts will be visible in the photo. It's more like an non-exposed nude.

Nov 10 08 03:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dave wright phx
Posts: 13,508
Phoenix, Arizona, US


obviously there's a lot of confusion about the terms - so it's best to just avoid them altogether, so there's no misunderstanding.
Nov 10 08 03:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leslee Lane
Posts: 165
Lexington, Kentucky, US


I didn't realize I would cause such a debate over a seemingly simple question
Nov 10 08 04:39 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Moriah Allende
Posts: 14,132
Jackson, Mississippi, US


Leslee Lane wrote:
I didn't realize I would cause such a debate over a seemingly simple question

And I didn't think there were so many differing opinions on the topic.
You learn somethin' new each day.
Man, I need to go to bed.

Nov 10 08 04:41 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Hellan Judd - Retouch
Posts: 1,860
London, England, United Kingdom


In the UK most models seem to accept the term "implied" as meaning it will look like they are nude (or topless) in the photo but that no nipples or private parts will be visible in the final picture.

Whether they are actually nude in the studio or not, or whether they wear pasties or a flesh coloured g-string should be irrelevant unless the 'photographer' is actually more interested in seeing naked flesh than making a picture that looks as if the model is naked. Clearly, if the model wishes to wear a g-string or something that might require retouching then this should be discussed in advance, but doing so or not doesn't alter the meaning of the term "implied" in the context of model photography.

Personally, when shooting "implied" I prefer to work with models who are also comfortable shooting nude (or topless) and comfortable with the pictures being used like that, as there is less for them (and me) to worry about and the pictures generally turn out more relaxed and natural looking whether the the final result happens to be "implied" or not. However, that's not always the case, so at the end of the day it's up to the model how she wishes to play it, and as long as any concerns, limits or reservations are discussed in advance all is good.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
Nov 10 08 05:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RSM-images
Posts: 4,190
Jacksonville, Florida, US


.

Shiggily Weebonk McGee wrote:
if you see no naughty bits. but they are nude. then it is implied

That statement is absolutely *incorrect*.

The proper and historic definition of the photography term "implied nude/topless" is that the model was clothed but it appeared (implied) that the model was topless/nude.

The term for which the OP is seeking is "*demure* topless/nude".

The "nitternet" gets a lot of things wrong....

neutral

.

Nov 10 08 05:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
hannahlin
Posts: 349
Los Angeles, California, US


implied!
Nov 10 08 05:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MsHeidi
Posts: 2,081
Jessheim, Akershus, Norway


Leslee Lane wrote:
I didn't realize I would cause such a debate over a seemingly simple question

Beleive me, it takes less than this to make a HUGE rumble!

But it's implied smile

Nov 10 08 05:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
IMD
Posts: 250
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


It's considered implied because it's NOT the kind of stuff these guys wack off to...LOL
Nov 10 08 05:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Grime and Glamour
Posts: 1,406
Newcastle upon Tyne, England, United Kingdom


FEMME Naturelle wrote:
nude if you are nude. nothing is implied. if you are covering parts - it is partial nudes such as topless - not full nude. covered nude is still nude - so I'd say it's partial nude. why worry about  a definition?

Agreed....I HATE the term 'implied' nude.If you have no clothes on then your naked...covered or not!
:-)

Nov 10 08 06:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Flick
Posts: 1,568
London, England, United Kingdom


Personally, I think the word 'implied' was brought into this industry by models who didn't want to have their bits on show, but wanted to earn more than a lingerie model.
Nov 10 08 06:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
studio36uk
Posts: 20,209
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


Click Hamilton wrote:
Implied.
Under swimsuits, props, clothes, etc., we are all nude.

"Implied" according to Click...

http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00107/Photo10.jpg

aka the "covered nude"   LOL

Studio36

Nov 10 08 07:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 21,947
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


RSM-images wrote:
That statement is absolutely *incorrect*.

The proper and historic definition of the photography term "implied nude/topless" is that the model was clothed but it appeared (implied) that the model was topless/nude.

The term for which the OP is seeking is "*demure* topless/nude".

The "nitternet" gets a lot of things wrong....

neutral

.

Bullshit.

Who is it that defines this "proper and historic definition" you speak of?  Could you please point us to an authoritative source?

What?  You don't have one?  You just made that up?

Above I have posted many links to a wide variety of sources for the "proper" definition of the term, and it is not at all what you and so many others claim.

Nov 10 08 08:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
studio36uk
Posts: 20,209
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


TXPhotog wrote:
Bullshit.

Didn't you ever wonder why porn actresses seem to always have their spiky high heals on... even in bed?

LOL

I am minded to recall a Canadian case that kind of relates to this. Some guy was in the Toronto TNT [gay pride} parade. He was arrested for being nude in public, and indeed he almost was, but he had something on his feet - shoes or flip-flops. In court he argued that he wasn't factually nude as charged, and the court agreed with him. Case dismissed. LOL

Studio36

Nov 10 08 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotographia Fantastique
Posts: 17,208
Lebanon, New Hampshire, US


If you have to mark it 18+ (M) on MM, it's nudity.
If you don't have to mark it 18+ (M) on MM it's implied.
Nov 10 08 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
MSUK Photographics
Posts: 159
London, England, United Kingdom


Leslee Lane wrote:

Actually I have a scarf on

sneaky lol

Nov 10 08 08:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,198
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


TXPhotog wrote:
Bullshit.

G o o s f r a b a , G o o s f r a b a

Nov 10 08 08:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Flick
Posts: 1,568
London, England, United Kingdom


Fotographia Fantastique wrote:
If you have to mark it 18+ (M) on MM, it's nudity.
If you don't have to mark it 18+ (M) on MM it's implied.

Perfect answer. Next topic!!!

Nov 10 08 08:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DanielWSmithPhotography
Posts: 200
Lexington, North Carolina, US


Nude is nude regardless of where your hands are positioned.
Nov 10 08 08:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digital Plus Photo
Posts: 683
Washington, Illinois, US


Leslee Lane wrote:
If the model is nude but their hands and legs are positioned to where you don't see any naughty parts?

I'm assuming implied? I just want to be sure....

Models that have naughty parts shouldn't be modeling, GOD didn't start you out with naughty parts, you have to wait till you're older to be given them by people/society around you.

But yes, you're assuming right, it's implied if you don't show the OMG parts.........................

Nov 10 08 09:00 am  Link  Quote 
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