C Mirene wrote:

This is from 2008.

(Church lady intonation) Never mind.

Leslee Lane wrote:
If the model is nude but their hands and legs are positioned to where you don't see any naughty parts?

I'm assuming implied? I just want to be sure....

that would be an implied nude shot. even if the butt was showing

Leslee Lane wrote:
If the model is nude but their hands and legs are positioned to where you don't see any naughty parts?

I'm assuming implied? I just want to be sure....

Correct, according to the definition used by most people here at Model Mayhem, it would be an "Implied Nude".  Of course you are get a few that will tell you that most of us are wrong and it is a "Demure Nude".  So sit back and enjoy the fight and name calling!

Fotofolios  wrote:
nude if you are nude. nothing is implied. if you are covering parts - it is partial nudes such as topless - not full nude. covered nude is still nude - so I'd say it's partial nude. why worry about  a definition?

What if you can't tell?

One model is topless, the other isn't.

Leslee Lane wrote:
I didn't realize I would cause such a debate over a seemingly simple question

Welcome to the internet.    People like to argue over minutiae.

My take:

I prefer the more technical definition, which is that the photo suggests that the model is nude, but you can't really tell for sure one way or the other.

General usage seems to be that "implied" covers any shot where the naughty bits aren't showing, even if you can tell there's no way in hell the model is wearing anything.  I prefer to call these "obscured" or "draped", depending on what's providing the coverage.

By my definition, the standard handbra shot would be obscured.  This is implied:




It suggests that the model is nude, but you can't tell for sure (she was wearing a strapless bikini, but it would still be implied even if she had been nude)

MikeRobisonPhotos wrote:
What if you can't tell?

One model is topless, the other isn't.

Great example.   Either model could be wearing a strapless bra; there's no way to tell for sure whether she is or isn't.   My guess is the first is topless and the second one isn't, just because the second one has more opportunity to conceal any clothes she might be wearing.

nothing wrote:
if you see no naughty bits. but they are nude. then it is implied

NO! They *ARE* NUDE!!

*IMPLIED* means the model was NOT nude, but was made to look like she was by creative placing of hands/other objects, etc.  Look up the word IMPLIED.

This has been beaten to death, and nothing will change.

Scott

Leslee Lane wrote:
If the model is nude but their hands and legs are positioned to where you don't see any naughty parts?

I'm assuming implied? I just want to be sure....

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The proper term, for what you described, is "demure topless/nude".

The proper definition for "implied topless/nude" is that the subject is fully clothed or draped in a way that implies nudity -- such as a model on her back on a matress covered by a sheet that conforms to her figure.  In that case, one is unable to discern whether she is clothed or not; hence, implied nudity.  The nitternet nitwits use "implied topless/nude" incorrectly nearly 100% of  the time...!



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dave wright phx wrote:
obviously there's a lot of confusion about the terms - so it's best to just avoid them altogether, so there's no misunderstanding.

Agreed. Talk to everybody about your and their level of comfort beforehand. Any potential misunderstandings will be avoided altogether.

Leslee Lane wrote:
naughty parts?

do you have "naughty parts" ?

i hate that term....

Rebel Photo wrote:
I think this explains the genre' quite well:

Implied Nude: I’m not taking my clothes off, but I will allow you to take pictures of me which don’t show any clothing, implying that I am not wearing any

No.

In 95% of cases 'implied' means that the model will be nude in the studio but will be posed (or draped) in such a way that no "naughty bits" can be seen in the photos.

The 5% of models who insist on trying to remain clothed while still giving the impression of being nude are possibly the most annoying of all to try to shoot!

Personally, if I want to shoot 'implied' then I use a nude model fully comfortable with having nude photos taken - in that way the 'implied' poses can flow naturally in with other poses.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Art Silva Photography wrote:
Nude IS nude, just different levels of it.

Implied (from what I learned) in the classic term is a draped figure with the "implication" she/he is nude underneath.
My avatar at the moment I consider nude, period. we were just making sure this shot we were not showing full breast and pubic areas, but still nude.

Ask yourself this would you open your "implied nude" photo sitting in a crowded starbucks with families around you?

yes, this subject has been batted around a few thousand times here.
Here is an online dictionary definition [one of 5 meanings]:
.....Imply means "suggest indirectly that something is true".....

I can take a model who has on a bikini and have her hold a thin piece of material that blocks an observer from seeing anything from her upper chest to just below her genital area. Is she naked behind the material? No. Is the 'mystery' of the placement of the material causing the viewer to think that the model might be naked? possibly, most likely yes, since otherwise, why would the model be blocking the view of those areas of her body. Therefore, I am "suggesting indirectly that something is true" per the simple definition above. If I take the next shot and the model has dropped the material, we see that she is not naked, but has on a bikini. In the next frame, if the bikini top is missing and the model has her finger tips over the nipple areas, we can see that the bikini top is not there and the model is topless. There is no longer anything implied--the model is topless and there is no clothing covering the breasts. No guesswork. In the next frame, the model has removed the bikini bottom and has her hand and arm covering the breasts/nipples, and the fingers of one hand covering the genitalia. No clothing can be seen and it might be extremely difficult to imagine that there could be an article of clothing over the nipples and genitalia--UNLESS there were pasties [yes, they make pasties for the genital area also]. IN the next frame the model has removed her hands and arm and we see that she is completely nude. we see the nipples, breasts, and genital area.
Historically, if the model has a covering but there is the possibility that the model is naked behind the covering, it is implied. If the 'covering' is so small as to preclude the possibility of any clothing whatsoever--the model is nude.period.
It is a matter of CONVENIENCE that people have used the term 'implied' to include models who have the fingertips covering nipples and or genital areas, or they are posed in a scissor leg pose that precludes seeing if the genitals are covered, and have used their hands or fingertips to cover a nipple[s].
It is simply EASIER [convenient] to define naked shots where the pose or fingers/hands are covering the 'bits' as being implied. Everyone knows that if the model or photographer says implied--the 'bits' will be posed or covered. No open or frontal nudity.
If you are not ZZzzzzZZzzzzz by now, you missed a good opportunity! LOL.......

wynnesome wrote:
I guess it depends what parts of the model's body have been naughty lately and are thus being covered.

YES! lol

AJScalzitti wrote:
Holy crap almost three years later and people are debating terms defined well 20+ years ago.

you are not really surprised are you? I am 54 and the subjects of nudity/porn/stripping/prostitution/taxes/abortion/drugs all rage on and on. What about 'gay' and the 'N' word? they seem to make new headlines each week????

Rebel Photo wrote:
I think this explains the genre' quite well:

Implied Nude: I’m not taking my clothes off, but I will allow you to take pictures of me which don’t show any clothing, implying that I am not wearing any.
Demure or Covered Nude: not wearing any actual clothing, but with some sort of opaque drape or prop (possibly including my limbs) covering a given area.     
Sheer Nude: Body is somewhat visible through a transluscent material, the exact opacity of the material to be negotiated.
Semi-nude: breasts, buttock, face, etc. Example: Early Playboy Magazine.
Artistic Nude: interestingly framed, uniquely posed, or oddly lighted so as to not look like just naked for the sake of being nekked
Figure Nude or Figure Study: expression will be neutral, not meant to be provocative, erotic, or otherwise non-serious. Example: Weston
Nude or Casual Nude: no clothes, fully exposed; Example: domai.com.
Erotic nude:provocative expressions, particular attention genitalia; Example: Penthouse
Adult nude: sexually explicit; Example Hustler

I think this works pretty good.

Rebel Photo wrote:
Demure or Covered Nude: not wearing any actual clothing, but with some sort of opaque drape or prop (possibly including my limbs) covering a given area.

There's a ton of imagery that fits this description physically that is less "demure" than a lot of full nudes.

Leslee Lane wrote:
I didn't realize I would cause such a debate over a seemingly simple question

There are a few people on here, who would tell you that snow is black, and would argue until there death to defend it. While others are more willing to help.

Implied BTW.  But going buy how somepeople are thinking, its a full fashion runway shoot   lol

Rebel Photo wrote:
I think this explains the genre' quite well:

    Implied Nude: I’m not taking my clothes off, but I will allow you to take pictures of me which don’t show any clothing, implying that I am not wearing any.
    Demure or Covered Nude: not wearing any actual clothing, but with some sort of opaque drape or prop (possibly including my limbs) covering a given area.     Sheer Nude: Body is somewhat visible through a transluscent material, the exact opacity of the material to be negotiated.
    Semi-nude: breasts, buttock, face, etc. Example: Early Playboy Magazine.
    Artistic Nude: interestingly framed, uniquely posed, or oddly lighted so as to not look like just naked for the sake of being nekked
    Figure Nude or Figure Study: expression will be neutral, not meant to be provocative, erotic, or otherwise non-serious. Example: Weston
    Nude or Casual Nude: no clothes, fully exposed; Example: domai.com.
    Erotic nude:provocative expressions, particular attention genitalia; Example: Penthouse
    Adult nude: sexually explicit; Example Hustler

I think this covers it quite well.

Me:  Hello model, I'd like to shoot images like this
www.linktosamples .com

Please let me know if you're interested, and if so, if you aren't comfortable with any of them.

Leslee Lane wrote:
If the model is nude but their hands and legs are positioned to where you don't see any naughty parts?

I'm assuming implied? I just want to be sure....

My feeling is this:
If you're fully nude, no matter what is or is not showing, it's nude.
If you're covered in some way and it's implied that you're nude, then it's implied nude.

Rebel Photo wrote:
Demure or Covered Nude: not wearing any actual clothing, but with some sort of opaque drape or prop (possibly including my limbs) covering a given area.

BlackArts - Jenna Black wrote:
There's a ton of imagery that fits this description physically that is less "demure" than a lot of full nudes.

This. 

Plus, his "Artistic nude" description, while I like it, says NOTHING about the actual exposure.  Which might be of interest to some models.

Both of these (18+) are, in my opinion, artistic nudes.  But some models might well be comfortable with the first and not the second
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 5#19682365
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/p … 8#22562094

myfotographer wrote:
You can't tell if she is or she isn't. She could be wearing pasties.

That is soooo lame

Lumigraphics wrote:
Does it really matter? Either way you are posing for pictures without clothes on.

No not at all.....

Paul Pardue Photography wrote:
if you see no naughty bits but they are nude, then they are nude.  simple as that.

BUT AT LEAST ITS WORK SAFE LOLOLOLOL


(edit: holy shit a thread from 2008)

En Trance wrote:
Implied may be nude or non-nude.  What makes a photo "Implied" is that the observer can not tell if the model is nude by looking at the photo. My current avatar is implied and the model was totally nude.

This thread is 3 years old!!!