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Photographer
Bad Karma Photo
Posts: 1,166
Houston, Texas, US


I've been searching through the forum (search) and found most of the beauty dish threads seem to only talk about different ones and things like that. Do you have any samples of shots taken with a beauty dish? I would love to see. I am really lusting to get one very soon as I am somewhat not too excited about shooting with an umbrella setup anymore. It's okay, but I really think a beauty dish may be just what I need to get the look that I want for my shots.

If you have any sample shots of your work or links to any photographers on MM who use it primarily, please do post some, it will be greatly appreciated!
Nov 14 08 05:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StephenEastwood
Posts: 19,583
Great Neck, New York, US


http://www.stepheneastwood.com/tutorial … tydish.htm

or here:

StephenEastwood wrote:
Now I am including many samples, mainly because I figure if I gave some examples it would show some range of a BD without a major variation in photographer style vast difference is technique or majot model quality location shifts that cloud the issue more, so hopefully you get more of a feel for what the dish can do for you.



http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0006.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/andressa0001.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/andressa0003.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/gisele0002.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/v0011.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/b1_0016.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0015.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0044.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/b1_0018.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0034.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/b1_0005.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/v0005.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0060.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0066.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0067.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0071.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0069.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0092.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0091.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0097.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0101.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0104.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0047.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0049.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/ded0001.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0105.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/v0010.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/v0007.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/ded0002.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0106.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0025.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0131.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/0130.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/cf0019.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/portfolio/IMAGES/1_vr2d9803bw.jpg


Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

-- Stephen Eastwood --
http://www.PhotographersPortfolio.com

Nov 14 08 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Emmanuel 4
Posts: 216
Croton-on-Hudson, New York, US


http://img2.modelmayhem.com/050915/12/4329c22450e95_m.jpg
Nov 14 08 05:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KEKnight
Posts: 1,860
Cumming, Georgia, US


http://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081028/11/49073042ce7f7_m.jpg
Nov 14 08 05:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bad Karma Photo
Posts: 1,166
Houston, Texas, US


Stephen! Thank you, there is magic in that dish...
Nov 14 08 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bad Karma Photo
Posts: 1,166
Houston, Texas, US


KEKnight wrote:
http://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081028/11/49073042ce7f7_m.jpg

Wonderful, I love the blue gel for the hairlight, great touch.

Nov 14 08 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StephenEastwood
Posts: 19,583
Great Neck, New York, US


Bad Karma Photo wrote:
Stephen! Thank you, there is magic in that dish...

I can say I prefer the speedotron one to all even the broncolor one and molas, I have modified it slightly and basically only use it with a grid, the link above has the modification description.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Nov 14 08 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Bad Karma Photo wrote:
Stephen! Thank you, there is magic in that dish...

It's not just the dish, it's how you use it and Stephen really knows how to use it.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

Nov 14 08 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StephenEastwood
Posts: 19,583
Great Neck, New York, US


Stefano Brunesci wrote:
It's not just the dish, it's how you use it and Stephen really knows how to use it.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

sshhhh.....I just point it toward the model, the dish does the rest of the work  wink

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Nov 14 08 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KEKnight
Posts: 1,860
Cumming, Georgia, US


Bad Karma Photo wrote:
Wonderful, I love the blue gel for the hairlight, great touch.

Thanks!!!   Just study all StephenEastwoods stuff.  That's what I did.  smile

Edit:  I'm not the only one, I see.   I also used a 22" speedotron grid on a AB deauty dish.  Again,  Stephens idea.  smile

Nov 14 08 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bad Karma Photo
Posts: 1,166
Houston, Texas, US


Stefano Brunesci wrote:

It's not just the dish, it's how you use it and Stephen really knows how to use it.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

Oh absolutely smile No doubt about that

Nov 14 08 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vanishing Point Ent
Posts: 1,688
Los Angeles, California, US


StephenEastwood wrote:

I can say I prefer the speedotron one to all even the broncolor one and molas, I have modified it slightly and basically only use it with a grid, the link above has the modification description.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Nov 14 08 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bad Karma Photo
Posts: 1,166
Houston, Texas, US


StephenEastwood wrote:

I can say I prefer the speedotron one to all even the broncolor one and molas, I have modified it slightly and basically only use it with a grid, the link above has the modification description.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Thank you! I am reading through the link right now, great advice, can't tell you how much I appreciate it!

Nov 14 08 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Hellan Judd - Retouch
Posts: 1,860
London, England, United Kingdom


Bad Karma Photo wrote:
Oh absolutely smile No doubt about that

FWIW there are a few examples with a beauty dish in my beauty port too.

Ciao
Stefano

Nov 14 08 05:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vanishing Point Ent
Posts: 1,688
Los Angeles, California, US


Note to Mr. Eastwood.

You should try a Mola 22 in. beauty dish.  The difference is like a lens with an

aspheric front element, vs. one with the normal convex shape.  The compound

curves, of the Mola, focuses the light better.  The white paint, is of a higher

quality & the mount is universal.  That is, it takes a Chimera size Strobe Insert,

from their speedring.  They make these to fit everyone's strobe.

You can find them at www.Dynalite.com, the distributor.

The manufacturer is:  www.Mola.com.
Nov 14 08 05:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kevin Connery
Posts: 16,797
El Segundo, California, US


If Stephen's examples aren't sufficient: at the top of the forum there's a thread entitled Photography Talk: Rules, Resources and FAQ. In that thread, there are links to key MM threads. One of those is the Lighting, Flash, Ring, & Battery Strobe Reference thread, which has a large section on Lighting Equipment. In there is a large block of information about beauty dishes.

Beauty Dishes
So tell me some about Beauty Dishes and grids ?
   (Stephen Eastwood's consolidated answer thread. Read this first.)

Speedo Beauty Dish Modification? (Stephen Eastwood’s mod)
Any suggestions on a beauty dish?
Beauty Dish (47+ posts)
Beauty Dish (40+ posts)
Beauty Dish Comparison
beauty dishes
Beauty Dishes & Grids
How do you use your Beauty Dish?
Beauty dish placement - advice please ("Sweet spot")
Any suggestions on a beauty dish?
Alien Bees "beauty dish"
Beauty Dish vs. Softbox
Beauty Dish - Best Practices
traveling w/ a beauty dish (Cases)
alien bees beauty dish (22" Grid [Speedotron and Hensel grids fit])
Beauty Dishes (Which brand do you use/like?)
Anyone use this ebay Beauty Dish?? (40 cm Radar Reflector)
The Big Mola Beauty Dish- Is it worth using it?(33” Euro / 43” Mantti)
Mola Beauty dish size (33” Euro: what’s it good for?)
Mola Demi and Profoto
Shooting with a beauty dish (Mola Demi 22”)
Examples with a Beautydish (Many examples)
Beauty dish from above (Examples, especially for full-length)

Nov 14 08 05:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StephenEastwood
Posts: 19,583
Great Neck, New York, US


Vanishing Point Ent wrote:
Note to Mr. Eastwood.

You should try a Mola 22 in. beauty dish.  The difference is like a lens with an

aspheric front element, vs. one with the normal convex shape.  The compound

curves, of the Mola, focuses the light better.  The white paint, is of a higher

quality & the mount is universal.  That is, it takes a Chimera size Strobe Insert,

from their speedring.  They make these to fit everyone's strobe.

You can find them at www.Dynalite.com, the distributor.

The manufacturer is:  www.Mola.com.

I have all 3 molas, and broncolor, and elichrom, and balcar, plus hensel (all variations) and have yet to find a dish I like as much as the speedotron one (except its big/deep and a pain to carry)

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Nov 14 08 05:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
stevejonesimages
Posts: 591
Ko Samui, Southern, Thailand


Stefano Brunesci wrote:
Stephen! Thank you, there is magic in that dish...
It's not just the dish, it's how you use it and Stephen really knows how to use it.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

Stephen Eastwood and Steve Brickles are real masters of the grid/eggcrate formula - Steve Brickles profile is here;

http://www.modelmayhem.com/63988

Nov 14 08 05:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Guenther
Posts: 2,264
Austin, Texas, US


I have a related question for anyone who might like to answer this one (ahem, Mr. Eastwood):

What are some examples of the difference between a beauty dish and a ring flash?  Clearly the BD throws light on a wider scale, but for actual beauty shots or closeups (eyes, lips, etc) what might be the benefit for one over the other?

Sorry for the bitty hijack...
Nov 14 08 06:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StephenEastwood
Posts: 19,583
Great Neck, New York, US


M5A1 Photography wrote:
I have a related question for anyone who might like to answer this one (ahem, Mr. Eastwood):

What are some examples of the difference between a beauty dish and a ring flash?  Clearly the BD throws light on a wider scale, but for actual beauty shots or closeups (eyes, lips, etc) what might be the benefit for one over the other?

Sorry for the bitty hijack...

ringflashes are not for beauty unless its half a face or less.  They are designed for macro, if using it that close to get a ringflash effect you are distorting a face by standing too close.  When you move back far enough to get a good perspective on the face, the ring is more of a point light source and not much better than a on camera flash.

A BD with grid can control the light to a much tighter spread, a ringflash really does not control the spread unless you grid it as well.  The BD can also be moved in close to make the light larger and softer as its a bounced light rather than a direct light.  Also can be moved off axis to create a dimension and depth to the image which a ringflash, used as intended, loses as its inherently a flat light source.  Shadow is really what makes images have depth and dimension and feeling/emotion, not to mention character and stand out.



for some reference on distance and distortion on a face check this http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tu … ective.htm

for a longer ringflash discussion check this one http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tu … gflash.htm

and overall check out these  http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/

since they are already there  big_smile

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Nov 14 08 06:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Guenther
Posts: 2,264
Austin, Texas, US


StephenEastwood wrote:

ringflashes are not for beauty unless its half a face or less.  They are designed for macro, if using it that close to get a ringflash effect you are distorting a face by standing too close.  When you move back far enough to get a good perspective on the face, the ring is more of a point light source and not much better than a on camera flash.

A BD with grid can control the light to a much tighter spread, a ringflash really does not control the spread unless you grid it as well.  The BD can also be moved in close to make the light larger and softer as its a bounced light rather than a direct light.  Also can be moved off axis to create a dimension and depth to the image which a ringflash, used as intended, loses as its inherently a flat light source.



for some reference on distance and distortion on a face check this http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tu … ective.htm

for a longer ringflash discussion check this one http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tu … gflash.htm

and overall check out these  http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/

since they are already there  big_smile

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

You remember that song from the Partridge Family?  "I think I love you..."  Well, it fits.  big_smile  Thank you!!!

Nov 14 08 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StephenEastwood
Posts: 19,583
Great Neck, New York, US


M5A1 Photography wrote:

You remember that song from the Partridge Family?  "I think I love you..."  Well, it fits.  big_smile  Thank you!!!

OK, thanks, now I have that song in my head, and I feel really, really old.  I swear I only know it from reruns  tongue

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Nov 14 08 06:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Guenther
Posts: 2,264
Austin, Texas, US


StephenEastwood wrote:

OK, thanks, now I have that song in my head, and I feel really, really old.  I swear I only know it from reruns  tongue

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Uh... me too.  hmm



lol

Nov 14 08 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BlindMike
Posts: 9,594
San Francisco, California, US


http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081010/04/48ef0efc25a19_m.jpg

http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080503/05/481c3790c2476_m.jpg

http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080317/04/47de2f7da198b_m.jpg

http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080417/06/4807200f3d9c9_m.jpg

http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080816/03/48a67cb32e72f_m.jpg
Nov 14 08 07:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eboh Ajeroh
Posts: 1,455
Washington, District of Columbia, US


I got a BD because of Mr Eastwood's samples, and now I'm hooked...and a grid attachment is awesome too.

http://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081025/22/4903cfb11b1a3_m.jpg

http://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080608/10/484bea19d7b9f_m.jpg
Nov 14 08 07:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Samantha Wolov
Posts: 535
Berkeley, California, US


http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081008/21/48ed5cd2018b8.jpg

http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080914/16/48cd78d034449.jpg

http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080912/01/48c9fcec2fc47.jpg

http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080912/01/48c9fc48cf019.jpg

http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080312/22/47d89523a484a.jpg
Nov 14 08 07:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PixelWorks Studios
Posts: 238
Sisters, Oregon, US


http://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080423/15/480f916f67367.jpg
This image was shot with a Mola Euro beauty dish (and a few other accent lights). (Note the light fall-off near the thighs downward)

Side Note: I'm a huge fan of the beauty dish generally speaking for many applications. I haven't experienced them all as Dr. Eastwood has (coolness factor huge)... but, I can say that it's one of my favorite light modifiers for model shoots without a doubt.
Nov 14 08 07:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MWPortraits
Posts: 7,024
Kansas City, Missouri, US


StephenEastwood wrote:
ringflashes are not for beauty unless its half a face or less.  They are designed for macro, if using it that close to get a ringflash effect you are distorting a face by standing too close.  When you move back far enough to get a good perspective on the face, the ring is more of a point light source and not much better than a on camera flash.

A BD with grid can control the light to a much tighter spread, a ringflash really does not control the spread unless you grid it as well.  The BD can also be moved in close to make the light larger and softer as its a bounced light rather than a direct light.  Also can be moved off axis to create a dimension and depth to the image which a ringflash, used as intended, loses as its inherently a flat light source.  Shadow is really what makes images have depth and dimension and feeling/emotion, not to mention character and stand out.



for some reference on distance and distortion on a face check this http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tu … ective.htm

for a longer ringflash discussion check this one http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tu … gflash.htm

and overall check out these  http://stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/

since they are already there  big_smile

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

*echoes agreement here* I found that out unfortunately. Luckily the model knew it was a test of new equiptment, but I still feel bad, because she got into some awesomep oses, and stayed naked for a while...lol. I'll wind up selling the damn thing, because I don't really do much macro/small things shots. BUT, it does make for a nice "off camera" flash if you work at it right. I was forced to improvise when a light fell at a group shoot. I didn't have a back up bulb, and my trusty little light was there for me.

http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081114/19/491e1c06785ab_m.jpg

http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081114/19/491e1c48db5d5_m.jpg

Nov 14 08 07:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Glenn Fajota
Posts: 179
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


stephen thanks. you just confirmed the reason why i need to get a BD and stop faking it with my octa
Nov 14 08 08:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
digital Artform
Posts: 49,326
Los Angeles, California, US


http://mayhem-photos.s3.amazonaws.com/061127/10/456b15789a040_m.jpg

Mola
Nov 14 08 08:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jon Owens - GB Studios
Posts: 42
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3008/2969755901_457a83431c.jpg

ab1600 in AB beautydish
Nov 15 08 01:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Peters Fotografie
Posts: 1,058
Tucson, Arizona, US


http://gallery.photo.net/photo/7949712-md.jpg

I'm poor.  And spent everything on a lens, body and printer.
So my light set-up is as modest as it gets.
(2) 16" Flashpoint beauty dish, (2) 300w Flashpoint strobes
ie. adorama brand
canon 50d, xti, 24-105 L

the true beauty of a beauty dish is it fits in my honda
very portable
Nov 15 08 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EMB Images
Posts: 1,342
Delmar, Delaware, US


Here's one I shot this morning of my son, the dish also has a 20 degree Grid inserted. I also used a gridded strip light behind him and to the right.

http://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081115/13/491f1bf298fb6.jpg
Nov 15 08 02:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hairflicksmodelphotog
Posts: 1,330
Huddersfield, England, United Kingdom


This one from my folio.Beauty dish above model.

http://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081011/05/48f0768aeb517.jpg
Nov 15 08 02:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
13B
Posts: 191
Portland, Oregon, US


http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081107/13/49148ff0bc33e.jpg
AB800 w/ AB Beauty Dish
Nov 15 08 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Connor Photography
Posts: 6,468
Elkton, Maryland, US


Will 16" BD will do the job or just don't bother just get the 22"  ?
Nov 15 08 04:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StephenEastwood
Posts: 19,583
Great Neck, New York, US


Connor Photography wrote:
Will 16" BD will do the job or just don't bother just get the 22"  ?

22 is much, much better.  Get a grid.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Nov 15 08 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,777
Peoria, Illinois, US


These 2 are just a gridded Beauty Dish, no other lights involved........

http://modelmayhm-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080828/05/48b6760cecb17.jpg


http://modelmayhm-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081019/23/48fbf94075201.jpg


And this is a Beauty Dish inbetween 2 Umbrellas......

http://modelmayhm-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080322/04/47e4c5a66282d.jpg
Nov 15 08 04:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24,078
Toulon, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France


http://www.secretfashioncollective.com/fluff/_DSC0029_cropped_mm.jpg
Nov 15 08 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JMX Photography
Posts: 2,097
Saginaw, Michigan, US


18" Balcar gridded beauty dish, FWIW there was no blurring or glowing done on her face, though I did heal out a stray hair:
http://modelmayhm-4.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/081113/01/491bcbd26759d_m.jpg

31" Balcar "Diamond Box" beauty dish:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/2928223134_f59fde555d.jpg
Nov 15 08 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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